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We let him down

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Trench Reynolds

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Parents argue for juvenile justice in school shooting:

The parents of Thomas White, the accused gunman at the Memorial Middle School shooting, have called for leniency in the treatment of their son.

Norma and Greg White also blame themselves, saying they should have listened to their son when he repeatedly said how much he disliked school and asked to be home-schooled.

Instead, Thomas White, 14, is facing being tried as an adult on multiple felonies and his father is serving an 18-month sentence for illegal possession of firearms in the family’s home.

“He’s a good kid, and we let him down,” Greg White told the newspaper.

Ya think? But you didn’t let him down by not homeschooling him. You let him down by having unsecured firearms in the house.

The big deal is that Thomas white is charged as an adult for bringing an assault rifle to school, discharging a round into the ceiling, and pointing the gun at the principal and pulling the trigger. Luckily, the gun jammed.

“He needs punishment,” Greg White said. “We believe in the rule of the law.”

Says the convicted ex-felon in illegal possession of a firearm.

The Whites said they’ve looked at past cases involving school shootings and can’t find another example of a juvenile certified to be tried as an adult when it didn’t involve any deaths or injuries.

They either don’t read this site or didn’t look too hard. In Michigan, Andrew Osantowski was 16 at the time of his arrest and was tried and sentenced as an adult, and he didn’t even bring the guns to school.

Sorry, but there’s no compassion here. He made a conscious choice to take a gun to school with the intent to kill. Only by the grace of God was no one hurt or killed.

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26 responses to “We let him down”

  1. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Once again why must I ask how do you know what his intent was. The fact of the matter is the only time we know he fired his guns was at the ceiling. Not even the principal or the DA I believe have ever even tried arguing otherwise. Let me sum that up for you, no one knows that he tried pulling the trigger at someone. And while I am not an expert on guns I imagine if he had tried you would know. So therefore you know he tried to threaten others but not kill or hurt them. As always its been a pleasure.

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  2. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    ?

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  3. Ibexx Avatar
    Ibexx

    The word “intent” doesn’t show up in the Missouri Revised Statutes concerning weapon violations.

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM

    and it doesn’t show up for Certification of a Minor

    http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c200-299/2110000071.htm

    Please show me where “intent” mitigates what Thomas is charged with.

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  4. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    It doesn’t. Trench just implied that word and has used that word many times and I thought as it is such a loaded word I should ask where he came to using such a word.

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  5. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Yeah, because I just made that part up about him pointing the gun at the principal and pulling the trigger after it jammed. That was sarcasm buy the way.

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  6. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Intent will go a long way at his trial.

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  7. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Under oath the principal said he never saw Thomas pull the trigger for sure (immedately after, in front of news crews he said he did, but I think that hardly matters as much as what he said under oath) and the super intendant who was also there swears he didn’t. So yeah, you are making stuff up.

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  8. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    P.S. here is exactly what he said, “The only thing he (White) said the whole time was, ‘Don’t make me do it,’” Gilbreth testified. “He was making a motion with the gun toward me. I thought he was trying to discharge the weapon but I couldn’t be sure.”

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  9. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    Who really cares. The little mutant brought a gun to school….and fired it. And yet another case of oblivious parents who only give a shit after the fact. Too late mom and dad…the time to be paying attention was probably a few years ago.

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  10. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    Enders doesn’t get that point… all he sees is someone who is probably innocent despite the overwhelming evidence against him.

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  11. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Certification as a youth or adult is not based on the guilt or innocence. Pretty much it goes entirely to state of mind in Missouri. Do you honestly feel that a delayed 13 year old can think like an adult? If so by all means prosecute them as such as soon as they have all other rights of adults.

    And Zappa working at a special needs camp gives you a whole new basis on the word mutant. For example this week we have someone who seems to fit the MacDonald Triad perfectly, who I am trying to get to open up. Last week we had a camper threaten others with a 22 (venting at the time but still you would consider him a mutant even if he was just an extremely immature 13 year old.) And the list goes on and on. Meet some mutants before you start spreading that word around so much.

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  12. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    you perfectly define a mutant and decide that the title doesn’t fit because it doesn’t suit your argument.

    in this day and age, if a kid threatens another with a 22 it is a real threat. The lower the “maturity” level of his brain only increases the threat, it does not make him less of a mutant.

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  13. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    And having a child gives you a “whole new basis on the word mutant”…whatever the hell that means. To think that some little mutant could decide on a whim to take her life because he’s pissed off at the world and that there are people like you who apologize (and you don’t even really apologize for them…you think they have done nothing wrong…you just make excuses and rationalize their behavior)and then cry when they get what they wanted (which is attention) and actually have to pay a price for their behavior (because we all know that it is WAY more important to protect the instigatoring, disatisfied, wallowing in self-pity mutants than the innocent) sickens me.

    Mutant camp is a good place for you to be -)

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  14. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    And we treated it like it was a real threat. But we realized that its natural for a depressed suicidal boy to be venting when he just was told to kill himself about 20 times in the past hour. The funny thing about this kid was you think hes a mutant but he was a 13 year old boy who brought his teddy here and called one of the counselors Wobby and me Wryan. That sound like your defination of mutant?

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  15. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    yes, because the little shit made a threat with a gun… his teddy bear and speech impediment does not trump his title of mutant.

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  16. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    Mutant camp is a good place for you to be

    *yeah, no shit. If there was any place that Enders belongs it is at Mutant Camp. Eventually, one of this psychos is going to hurt Enders, or someone he cares about and he will be here screaming for blood.*

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  17. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    I like being here at mutant camp, thank you very much for asking, its nice to be able to save a child’s life before he/she does something terrible.

    Most of my campers so far don’t fit in the mutant persona really though. My 2 primaries week one was a kid with PDD-NOS (not that you know what that means without looking it up on yahoo) who made a good clown but had no real problems and a kid with asperger’s who said sir and maam more then the average person 3 times his age and only really had 3 or so outbursts, all verbal, where he just got really excited. My primary last week could be a bit of a bully but was almost all the time nice and polite. Doesn’t sound like mutants to me, just kids wanting to meet others like them.

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  18. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    And I suppose you have never wanted to hurt somebody? He didn’t threaten this kid to the face if thats what your thinking, just in the shower to himself. And I wouldn’t be looking for blood because I am not a sociopath like the rest of you.

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  19. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    P.S. I care about every single kid here at camp. That means that whoever he was threatening was a kid I care about. Heck as I didn’t even hear the threat and he was a bit mad at me at the time it could have been directed at myself.

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  20. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    And I suppose you have never wanted to hurt somebody?

    *I sure did, but I never acted on it. I have never acted on my anger and I never started a fight… I only ever defended myself.*

    >He didn’t threaten this kid to the face if thats what your thinking, just in the shower to himself.

    *Well, in order to threaten someone (which is what you said he did)you would have to inform him that he was in danger… that is the definition of threaten. You don’t mumble to yourself in a shower and become a threat to other people.*

    And I wouldn’t be looking for blood because I am not a sociopath like the rest of you.

    *First off, if one of these psycho kids hurt you or someone you loved… your song WOULD change.
    Second, you are defining honest people, who are not afraid to say they hate school shooters and those who worship them, as sociopaths. I suppose in your (small) mind, if the discussion was about kids being raped and how we detested it, we would be nothing more than pedophiles ?*

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  21. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    P.S. I care about every single kid here at camp.

    *I’m sure you do*

    That means that whoever he was threatening was a kid I care about.

    *awww, how sweet*

    Heck as I didn’t even hear the threat

    *either he made a threat or he didn’t. You said that he threatened the other kid with a 22 and let us believe that he basically shoved a gun in the other kids face. Then you said he was talking to himself in the shower which leads me to believe that he was just mumbling out his aggression… so which is it ?*

    and he was a bit mad at me at the time

    *did you love him a little to much ?*

    it could have been directed at myself.

    *not all of my dreams can come true.*

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  22. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Lets see… he never acted on his anger and was never in a fight while he was here (even to defend himself). He has you beat except for the fact that he expressed his thoughts out loud instead of silently fuming to himself.

    He was fuming to himself but I don’t recall where I said otherwise. The defination of threat is “An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.” That can be done to the persons face or to yourself.

    And I already think of you as a pedophile because you seem to enjoy the thought of Thomas White being in adult jail where he could/probably would get raped. Maybe you don’t do the act yourself but you enjoy thinking about putting him in the situation. That is why I consider you a sociopath. Because you don’t care about such simple things.

    Just for your information he was mad at me because he saw me as turning a blind eye to the bullying he was enduring (which I was doing a bit, mostly from orders from superiors.) I would never ever hurt a kid, no matter how much you seem to like that concept.

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  23. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    Lets see… he never acted on his anger and was never in a fight while he was here (even to defend himself). He has you beat except for the fact that he expressed his thoughts out loud instead of silently fuming to himself.

    *He is actually 1 step behind me… he didn’t bother defending himself when it was needed*

    He was fuming to himself but I don’t recall where I said otherwise.

    *No, you neglected to make that statement when you told us about the threat in the first place… leading us to believe that he did it WITH a gun. THAT is as much a lie as actually saying so.*

    The defination of threat is “An expression of an intention to inflict pain, injury, evil, or punishment.” That can be done to the persons face or to yourself.

    *in order to be considered a threat you have to cause a threat not whimper in the corner of a shower. Obviously the kid wasn’t doing anything but crying to himself because (as you say below) he was being bullied and even the anti-bully crusade did nothing to help him.*

    And I already think of you as a pedophile because you seem to enjoy the thought of Thomas White being in adult jail where he could/probably would get raped.

    *if he is a criminal, he deserves to be in a facility made for people of his ilk.*

    Maybe you don’t do the act yourself but you enjoy thinking about putting him in the situation.

    *really ? I want him to be raped? If i wanted kids to be sexually abused, I would just be a camp counselor for kids who have emotional problems and do it myself.*

    That is why I consider you a sociopath. Because you don’t care about such simple things.

    *no you consider me a sociopath because you don’t understand the definition and are pissed because I don’t agree with your pathetic bullshit*

    Just for your information

    *I really don’t care*

    he was mad at me because he saw me as turning a blind eye to the bullying he was enduring (which I was doing a bit, mostly from orders from superiors.)

    *uh huh, the one who screams the loudest about the bully problem… does nothing about bullies. How does it feel to know that YOU are a major part of the problem you cry about?*

    I would never ever hurt a kid, no matter how much you seem to like that concept.

    *whether or not you are touching them in an inappropriate manor is not proven at this time… but I am sure your perv switch has been thrown.
    Nonetheless, your claim that you “would never ever hurt a kid” is a sack of shit if you “turned a blind eye to the bullying he was enduring”*

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  24. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Let me rephrase, I didn’t so much as turn a blind eye to the bullying he was enduring as I didn’t punish when A) it couldn’t be proved (he was always louder then the other campers so therefore he got punished more) and B) trying to make him calm down when he was being picked on because if he didn’t it kept escalating (and by the time I was in the picture it was impossible to tell who started it leading back to problem A, with the knowledge that there was a good chance he started it this time).

    I didn’t ignore the abuse when I saw it though some of my co-workers either seemed to have a hard time seeing it (the bullies were discreet) or knew it would be easier to get through to him then the others (which is true as he had easier problems then the bullies did). Just assuming but I doubt you have ever been in charge of several special needs (many of them fairly severe) at a time. You do make mistakes.

    Saying I turned a blind eye to it definately does bring up the wrong impression though. Lets put it this way, I gave his mom my email address because I wanted to continue helping him (yes I know your pedophile self will find sickness in that, how else would your mind automatically assume that by saying he was mad at me means I did that sortof shit to him) by talking to both him and her. Would I do that if I didn’t care about him?

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  25. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    the more you tell the story, the more I believe that neither the kid nor the camp exist in your life.

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  26. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    That could be true, though isn’t, and I can’t really prove to you that the camp does exist or the kids do exist because if I was to tell you there names right now after everything I have already told you I would probably be breaking the law.

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