Cara Murphy felt scared

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Cara Murphy recently had the charges dropped against her in the videotaped beating of Victoria Lindsay. Now she’s speaking out…

“I guess I’m sorry for all that happened,” Cara Murphy said during a news conference Friday night, apologizing for her involvement in the videotaped beating of a Mulberry cheerleader that incited a media frenzy.

“I’m glad the charges got dropped though.”

I believe the second part but not the first.

Murphy says she never realized that what took place on videotape would turn into a national controversy. After apologizing to the victim, Victoria Lindsay, Murphy admitted she could have done more to stop the beating.

Murphy commented, “During the time I definitely can say I felt scared for her. Once I saw the video, I realized this was a bad thing that happened.”

Yet she didn’t realize it as it was going on? What difference should it being on video make?

I think the only thing she’s really sorry for is that she got caught. she won the lottery by having the charges dropped.

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159 responses to “Cara Murphy felt scared”

June 14, 2008

mark

Cara,

I really hope you read this. As a fellow human being I am truley dissapointed in you and your actions. You did nothing to stop it. You filmed it. And the only reason you are were scared was because you thought you were going to prison. I really hope and you appreciate the second chance you got in life. Now, make sure you do something good for humanity..always. You should get nothing but straight A’s in school (always) and become something great to help. You owe alot to us. as far as I am concerned, this debt will NEVER be paid back but you should work your ass off and try. I (we) will expect nothing short of that.

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June 14, 2008

mark

oh, and one more thing. To the two “boys”. Let me be the one to tell you that you are not men and will never be. To not protect a girl and say something is beyond any belief. I really feel bad for any girlfriends or may I say wives. You cannot possibly provide ever. Your biggest aspirations will be a 1st shift at some plant somewhere. You guys are lore lower than low. Please give the rest of the men in the world some credit and never, ever, refer to yourself as a man. When you fill out applications and they ask for M (male) or F (female)…please choose OTHER. and if I may add just one more comment. Leave the Country. We don’t want you.

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June 14, 2008

a friend of cara

mark, i really hope you read this.

first off, cara was a witness in this. she did not hit victoria lindsay, say anything to victoria lindsay, or tape the ‘attack’ of victoria lindsay. yes, she did nothing to help but yet there were girls around her that, apparently, aren’t afraid to beat someone. trying to stop those girls, would have resulted in her Also being hit.

second, you don’t know cara personally. except for the very few things you’ve heard about her on the news, you know nothing. second chance? she never lost her first. victoria lindsay said herself that cara NEVER touched her. evidence that she wouldn’t have been proven guilty, anyways.

cara owes nothing to you. were you the one beaten? no. victoria lindsay is the only person she owes anything to.

don’t speak, unless you know the facts.

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June 14, 2008

LawAndOrder

Friend of Cara:

Why didn’t she call the police as soon as she safely could? Failure to report a violent crime that you had just witnessed is very serious. If she had just called the police and was forthcoming with information RIGHT AFTER this happened I bet she would not have been arrested.

Cara could’ve avoided all this simply by calling the police. You know this, right?

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June 14, 2008

mark

F.O.C.,

35 Minutes….Cara could not leave and call someone??…call 911 and hang up? (trust me, the police, ambulance and fire show up)

Choose your friends wisely, she sounds like someone who will ditch you in a second…or in this case wait 35 minutes then do it. Watch your back.

And yes, this is a second chance….she owes society big time and we demand it even though your prosecutor is a wimp.
Please forward this to her…she needs to know everything and not what she is being told by “friends” like you

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June 14, 2008

LawAndOrder

Also another thing I’m curious about.

Does she consider her friendship with Brittini Hardcastle and April Cooper null and void now? (the most violent of the attackers) Or does she intend to reassociate with them at some point in the future? I hope she chooses not to associate with them.

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June 14, 2008

mark

Thank you LawAndOrder….Somehow,I believe this is not the last of Cara Murphy.

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June 15, 2008

James

i agree with you mark

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June 15, 2008

James

we don’t want her in the uk so she better not come over here or those lads

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June 15, 2008

navigator

She ” Guesses” she is sorry? WHAT… This is exactly what I feared would happen, she feels like she got away with this and still has no compassion for the victim or remorse for what she has done. I “guess” we should have thrown her in jail along with the rest… These “kids” have absolulty to idea what they did, nor do they give a damn TO know. How pathetic!!!

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June 15, 2008

navigator

And… “I didn’t know it was so bad till I watched the video” OMG – what a looser!! If she is that stupid then our future is really in trouble!

I like what Mark said about calling 911… and well I also ask, if she was SO scared for Tori and she didn’t want to call the police herself, why didn’t she tell her parents? and if she did, why didn’t the PARENTS call the police.

Come on – this girl is JUST as GUILTY as the rest – she just so happened to not “HIT” Tori on the video… But doing NOTHING to stop or help the victim afterward is just as guilty in my eyes!

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June 15, 2008

James

yeah i agree with you mate

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June 15, 2008

mark

same here!!!!

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June 15, 2008

a friend of cara

she was staying at one of the girl’s house’s that hit the girl. that would be selling out on her ‘friend’. yeah, her friend had just beat up someone and the first thought in cara’s mind is to call the police on her.

mark, yes she is my friend, for well over 5 years actually. i have talked to her since everything has happened but not about what happened. she wasn’t allowed to at the time and i didn’t care much to talk about something that has made her life harder. at this point, i don’t think she’d care much about one or two people on this website has said about her or how bad she screwed up.

being a friend is obviously something you know nothing about. i’m there for her no matter what anyone says about her. she was my friend before all of this happened and she will be my friend afterwards. that’s that.

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June 15, 2008

mark

FOC,
You sound as though you are a caring individual, always looking out for your friends and protecting them. In general, this is a good thing. But a wise old man once said “judge people by whom they associate with” What this means is that you may be a good person but Cara is not. You mentioned she stayed at one of the attackers place. That could only mean Cooper or Hardcastle. Trust me, Cara will do nothing to enrich your life in any way.

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June 15, 2008

navigator

“she was staying at one of the girl&rsquos house&rsquos that hit the girl. that would be selling out on her &lsquofriend”.
Exactly what Mercedes did to Tori! She sold out her friend to these little criminals so what is the difference! Sounds like there is no loyalty among friends in your group anyway!!

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June 15, 2008

J

To Trench: even the victim said in her testimony that she thought that Cara was “feeling bad” about what is going on. Cara is not articulate and her brain was probably mush when she spoke to the press, given that after three months of facing life in prison her charges were just suddenly dropped (there was no deal). She also apologized about five times in every which way but the media cut or mangled much of it. I hope she apologizes face to face to the victim and I’d leave it to the victim to decide if the apology is sincere.

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June 15, 2008

mark

Hi J,

Welcome back.

I did a little reading on the whole thing. Is it true that Cara held one of the cameras? and that she herself did some filming? Now that the chargesare dropped, I believe she can share this info with the world. Also, what Trench asked “Why did she not speak with her parents or the police afterhand?

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June 15, 2008

J

a friend of cara:

Kudos to you for being good friend. Friendship shows during the hardest times, not the easiest. Cara should have done more to try stop the beating, but she actually did nothing criminal per the rules set up by adults. Many millions of people across the country are guilty of having failed to stop a beating, often a beating as bad or far worse than this one.

Cara is still a kid and can grow into a decent person and needs all the support she can get, in part because she’ll have a hard road ahead. Do not let the haters change your mind, these people only show they have no heart and would do even less for Tori than Cara did had they been there — they are fakes.

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June 15, 2008

mark

Ouch…that hurt.

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June 15, 2008

J

mark:

She denies operating the camera. Not certain she never had the camera handed to her for a moment, and the victim thought she was using a phonecam at one time. It’s hard to tell the truth, but I have no doubt Cara realizes fairly quickly things are way going too far and I do believe she tried to stop the beating, though obviously not close to hard enough. I trust the victim is honest but her memory and her interpretation of some events may be inaccurate – she had a concussion and went through a shock.

I’m not sure she’ll talk to the media, my impression from her interview was she’ll try to get away from it all. We’ll see. In any case she’ll be dammned by the haters whatever she does — if she remains silent they’ll say she has something to hide, and if she talks, they’ll accuse her of being a media whore who is trying to cash in on the beating. Right Trench?

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June 15, 2008

J

Regarding calling the police. I’ve heard that mentioned on many forums by many people and I think it shows how unrealistic they are and how little do they really think of the victim.

In situations like these, the victim may have reasons NOT to call cops. Tori in particular may have had a reason, for all Cara knew Tori might have been still on probation and who knows what would come out of the investigation. When the victim is perfectly able to decide to call the cops on her own, the right thing is to leave the decision to her.

What Cara should have done is contact the victim, apologize, and assure her she will testify if need be. I doubt Cara considered doing so, but in any case she’d have a hard time contacting Tori — no phone or permanent address, apparently.

With kids in particular, they aoften grow up being told to solve problems short of murder on their own. That’s how kids were when I was growing up and that’s evidently the kind of environment Cara grew up in. Even the victim of a beating may end up laughing at you if you call the cops. That’s just how things are in many places.

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June 15, 2008

mark

Ok J,

Well put, I guess time will tell.

Bye for now.

M

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June 15, 2008

Trench

if she remains silent they’ll say she has something to hide, and if she talks, they’ll accuse her of being a media whore who is trying to cash in on the beating. Right Trench?

It’s better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. She spoke, she removed all doubt.

So J, why is someone from the Czech Republic so interested in this?

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June 15, 2008

J

To Trench:

You could figure it out on your own if you wish to play a detective, it’s not too hard. All I’ll say is here it’s a minor experiment.

BTW, you know it’s unethical to use admin powers to give out private info. What’s next? Email address and IP address? Are you so thin-skinned to sink so low?

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June 15, 2008

a friend of cara

oh wow, thank you J.

this girl has always been there for me in my hard times and i’m being there for her during hers. of course, her problem is a lot worse than mine but i’m still here for her.

you have given me hope in people. all i’ve been seeing &amp hearing is negativity from people that don’t even know cara. you’ve shown me that there are people out there that realize she’s screwed up, but also think that she hasn’t totally screwed her life up.

i don’t really think that cara even knew what she was being pulled into when she was brought to the house. she was staying at april’s at the time. there would have been one more girl but, she decided not to go.

mark
if cara Had actually been using her phone to record it. don’t you think that there would be something said about it? something to use against her of her involvement. she wouldn’t have been getting out of it As easily if she had recorded this with her phone.

navigator
according to what this article on this page is, it’s about cara. not mercedes. mercedes did what she did, let whoever use her house, taped it.. she’s a different story. she actually could have stopped it by not letting them use her house. the only ones of those girls that i know are cara, brittany mayes, &amp april. i haven’t become good friends with them at any point. cara was the only one you coould call ‘my group of friends’.

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June 15, 2008

Trench

The Czech Republic is a big place J. I doubt anyone from this site is going to track you down let alone find it on a map.

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June 15, 2008

mark

FOC,

Actually my question was “did she film it at any point?” I do not think it matters who’s camphone or what.
As far as you know FOC, at any time during the event, was a camera handed over to her and she had to look through the lens and film a poor defenseless girl beat up upon?

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June 15, 2008

J

Trench, that’s not the point. I used to work as a sysadmin and this is a huge no-no. Once you cross the line it’s hard not to err big time. Just keep that in mind in the future regarding posters in general.

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June 15, 2008

J

a friend of cara:

If you’ll have the opportunity, ask Cara if Tori was really knocked uncounscious. There are severe discrepancies between Tori’s testimony on this and the video evidence. She clearly did have a concussion and she has memory gaps. It’s common for the brain to explain this retroactively by assuming it was uncounscious, even if untrue. So I wonder what actually happened, and it is important overall as well.

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June 15, 2008

Trench

J, if I didn’t know any better I’d think that you’re trying to interject yourself into legal proceedings that don’t concern you.

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June 15, 2008

J

Not sure what you mean. Cara will have to tell the truth if called on to testify. What does all this have to do with that?

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June 15, 2008

J

Oh, I see now. The second sentence in the original post should have been:

“I’m pretty sure I heard Cara’s lawyer say Cara disputes that Tori was knocked out.”

That’s what got me started thinking about it, but I could not believe Tori would lie. Once the 2nd video came out and it flatly contradicted what she testified to — even though she knew it was being videotaped — it was clear to me she was neither lying NOR remembering correctly.

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June 15, 2008

LawAndOrder

A friend of Cara: Do you know Brittini Hardcastle or know about her by any chance? I was wondering if she’s normally violent by nature. Some news stories have painted her as the big bully of that area, is there truth to that?

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June 15, 2008

DavidSteinWatch

why hello there J aka DAVID STEIN
i had my suspicions at first but when Trench said the ISP location was Czech that cemented it for me… this guy is DAVID STEIN a hotshot professor at a uni in Prague.. he obsessively posted at topix and the ledger forums for awhile but got chased off when people got sick of how elitist preppie boy attitude

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June 15, 2008

J

Hey Watch, you really are an obsessed stalker. But at least it should keep you busy from stalking any of the girls. I hope.

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June 15, 2008

Trench

I guess posting your country J isn’t one of Topix’s no-nos.

And I’ll say it again, it seems like you’re trying to exert your influence over legal proceedings that do not concern you by asking Cara’s friend to ask Cara about Victoria’s testimony.

Last time I checked that’s a big legal no-no here in the states.

Welcome to Banville. Population: You.

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June 16, 2008

a friend of cara

mark filming at any point would also include a phone camera. it is a type of recording device, you know. &amp like i said before, don’t you think that if she had, actually recorded anything, she wouldn’t have been seen while the camera was moving. for the swift movement of the camera, she was, i believe, wearing a red shirt or tank-top. actually, sitting right next to the door.
(&amp i know you’ll have something to say about that) in the video evidence shown, she wasn’t recording. maybe in the other part of the video she was, but don’t you think if she had said something during that time or the recording BEHIND the camera that she wouldn’t have been left off as easily? she would have gotten something?

i think you don’t understand that, there was not enough evidence to prove that she did anything to harm victoria or help these girls.

as for J i don’t know if she’d really be up for questions being asked if she already has to answer newpapers &amp whatever else she may be doing. eventually in the future i might have a converstion with her about it. but not right now, i’m sorry.

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June 16, 2008

navigator

foc… the girl sitting next to the door is Mercedes…. LOL… better get YOUR facts straight before commenting in here. And by the way… this one artical may be about Cara, but what you said about selling out a friend has EVERYTHING to do with this case. You are obviously a kid and need to understand that you can not have it both ways, if it is ok for Cara to NOT do anything because she was going to sell out her friend, then Mercedes ALSO sold out her friend as well, to be beatin by the girls who DO run in your crowd. The friends you keep are influenced by THEIR friends and therefore, you are running with the same crowd sweety… If I were you I would be finding me some NEW FREINDS!!

J, I knew you were the jerk who was posting on the Ledger! You ARE a JOKE! We ran you out of the ledger for your stupidity and I am glad to see you go from here. You do not know our laws and you have no right to comment here.

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June 16, 2008

a friend of cara

ok, you must’ve watched the video a bit too many times. mercedes had almost platinum blonde hair now? wow, i didn’t know that. hm, interesting.

it might have something to do with the case, but the people in here are supposed to be commenting about cara. not mercedes and what she’s done. so, you can keep on saying whatever you’d like about mercedes and how it relates.. but every single time you say it, i’m just going to keep on saying the same thing. that i’m not talking about mercedes.

&amp obviously, you are an adult that knows nothing about having friends that you’ll always be there for. i’m going to stand up for my friend, no matter what. no matter how many things you say or how rude you get.. i’m still going to have the same opinion..

those girls aren’t my friends that beat on victoria. if you had read anything before that, i said i was only friends with cara &amp i only knew april and brittany mayes.

next, don’t call me ‘sweety’. i don’t know you like that. you don’t know my friends Or who i hang around. they aren’t ‘my’ crowd. none of my friends have ever had anything to do with those girls. only cara.

cara has her mulberry friends, &amp her lakeland friends and all of her other friends.. i do not hang out with people from mulberry. just for the fact that i don’t talk to anyone from there anymore.
new friend[s]? so far, i only count one girl i know personally out of all of this.. hm.

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June 16, 2008

mark

FOC,

I got the phonecam thing…pretty sure I know how it works as I am involved in the design of these things. It was just that your answer was ambiguous. You mentioned her camera phone and not a camera phone.
and no, I’m not quite sure nor do I understand why she got off, nor the the two “boys”. She was there period. An active or non-active particapant, she was there…did nothing. Told no one. You could defend her all you want till the end of time. SHE WAS THERE AND SAID NOTHING TO THE POLICE, PARENTS, NEIGHBOUR, FRIEND. OR EVEN THE FAMILY CAT. The only thing that comes to mind is that court costs for 8 defendants would be a bit too much, or they plan on using her as a state witness.

Take Navigator’s advice: find a new friend to defend, 6 Months from now…you will be very sorry.

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June 16, 2008

bill

She and the others “got off” because they didn’t personally assault her AND they agreed to testify against the worst offenders. It’s simple prosecutor’s judgment, and a fairly decent one considering that they committed no LEGAL crime, although certainly a Moral one. (At least not one EASILY provable compared to the value of their eyewitness testimony against the others). As for NOT calling the cops, it was a MORAL crime, but it is NOT legally required for you to report or stop any crime. This is a just a LEGAL summation here, not a moral judgment on these three. Of course it it obvious…they are all white trash and this is pretty much what one should expect from white trash….

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June 16, 2008

LawAndOrder

I’d say it’s worthwhile to let the ones who didn’t hit her go, as long as they testify against Brittini Hardcastle and April Cooper at the very least. Those two MUST be put away for a VERY long time. They are truly violent to the core.

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June 16, 2008

mark

makes sense Bill….as a father to a daughter, you get caught up in the emotional side. If Cara was my daughter, she would have wished she stayed in prison…

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June 16, 2008

Holly

To Cara’s friend I DO understand what it is to be a friend &amp furthermore I can understand the situation that you say Cara was in and how at 16 yrs. old she would have debated in her own mind “what’s the right thing to do” since she was friends and staying with one of the girls who was hitting Victoria. As I’d listened to her while she was interviewed the other day I did think she was sincere in her apology etc. UNTIL I heard her answer athe question from one of the reporters “Have you learned any lessons from all of this?” Her reply was “Yes be VERY careful what you post on the internet because it could get you in a LOT of trouble.” And then THIS is where as an adult it seems she’s *missed it entirely*! The lesson was not to commit *assault &amp battery* or perhaps in her case to “pick her friends more carefully” or “even when it’s a friend you have to stand up for what’s right.” The statement she made makes it sound more like she’s sorry for having gotten caught!

This cavalier attitude that is had by many ADULTS even here on this board that “the beating wasn’t too bad” &amp/or “It’s just kids fighting &amp they should be allowed to work it out for themselves” &amp the “rules of the adults” or “the sheriff was out to get all these kids &amp blew it out of proportion” this attitude of “If I just hadn’t gotten caught” or “If they just wouldn’t make such a big deal about it”. At one point Cara says she “did realice this would become such a big controversy”. That is SCARY that someone could get beat like that girl did it be ON TAPE &amp cara didn’t think it would be a controversey? This is where she’d lost me a bit &amp frankly I think &amp am hoping that it IS her age speaking. I think the fine line between loyalty in friendship &amp making a call afterwards when she knows she’s ok could be confusing for a kid. Though I do NOT believe that the beating was confusing for those girls! And Brittini’s mom said on camera that Brittini’s “really a very nice person” &amp if one didn’t know better or had seen that tape that’s what her mother would lead a person to believe &amp/or that’s what her mother actually thinks! a “really nice person” doesn’t have a person cowering in the corner begging for her to stop as the girl is swearing like a sailor &amp wailing on her. My point is that that mothers perception of her daughter is WAY OFF! You are very close friends with Cara and so your loyalty is to her &amp so your judgement is colored as well. I did &amp do understand all the claims made about Cara by you &amp others &amp I sincerely hope that she’s learned the REAL lessons from this &amp that YOU see them too because friend or not if a “friend” commits a crime we have to report it. Those girls drove away with Victoria in the car &amp did Cara know where they were taking her? For all she knew perhaps the beating was going to be even more &amp worse some where else. Maybe she should have called the cops to make sure she wasn’t killed… Tori said she was afraid for her life &amp Cara was afraid for her for a REASON. THIS is the lesson. It isn’t what “should not be posted on the internet” because that would not have undone the beating of this girl or made sure there was justice it would just have COVERED IT UP like all the adults around these kids seem to want to do. There’s all these excuses to justify it or claim they weren’t there etc. Stephen’s mom on her myspace actually claims that Victoria *set them up* so she could have them all put away. It’s as though ANY angle will be used to say “these kids are being rail roaded”. The lesson is “take responsibility for your part” &amp if there was a real mistake made in judgement of when to say what just ADMIT it, APOLOGIZE for it &amp be sincere.” The rest is the chips falling where they may because part of the grown up world which is what you kids are in now is that there are repercussions to our actions that we will have to pay and that isn’t necessarily just legally…. ok stepping down from the soap box….

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June 16, 2008

Holly

J I find your rantings on the law &amp “they lied” &amp the bad mouthing of this victim to be ridiculas &amp to the point I truly thought you were one of the parents of the accussed because you use the same tactics as they do to justify this BEATING of this girl! You had mentioned that Cara might not have wanted to call the police because Tori was “still on probation” ? According to WHO?! You then go on to try to discredit Victoria and what happened to her by saying “There are severe discrepancies between Tori&rsquos testimony on this and the video evidence.”

Then you try to trivialize it like Stephens Angry &amp VERY DRUNK father by going on a rant about how it’s just the way some places are or “Even the victim of a beating may end up laughing at you if you call the cops. That&rsquos just how things are in many places.”

I guess maybe if Victoria was a litle tougher you mean she’d be laughing? You mean through her swollen black eyes her father found made her hard to recognize when he saw her in ER?

You’re a flaming one….. Have you ever had YOUR HEAD punched over &amp over &amp over again? When Victoria was on the bed in the 2nd tape getting her head punched repeatedly were you unable to SEE HER HEAD hitting the WALL? I could see it &amp many say they can HEAR it hitting the wall! We’ve only seen 2 of the videos. That beating went on for 30 minutes and there is still missing pieces for prior to Victoria ending up on the couch. This is the part she does not remember and where she thought she was blacked out. Have you ever been UNDER ATTACK sir? ALL of the things that Victoria said people said &amp did that we have seen in the tapes so far are *right on* they just aren’t all in the right sequence! I would imagine after being punched &amp punched &amp punched over &amp over &amp having a KNOT on your *temple* the sequence of events might be a little off. but just as she’d said she asked someone for a phone &amp the girl was texting, &amp *MERCADES said “no” she could not have the phone. &amp then Brittini started in on her again &amp then they were all yelling at her. etc. etc. She DID get her head slammed to the wall 7 you can go right to you tube &amp still see it. Every time that sweet 14 yr. old punshes her her head slams the wall. The door was blocked by Brittini &amp of course there much we *haven’t seen yet* because the rest they have not shown….. The only reason they showed the part they did was because the lawyers thought people would see the victim as a liar? I’m not really sure how they thought that beause what I saw was a girl who actually APOLOGIZED in a sorts saying “yes I was drunk &amp I said stupid stuff, but I’ve grown up since that”. She was explaining herself &amp apologizing &amp trying to get her stuff to GET OUT!

I keep saying over &amp over that these parents have got to STOP blaming the victim! The lawyers are NOT doing their clients any favors by doing this either &amp I’m dumbed founded as to why someone from over seas would be sitting here sounding as thought he/she knows stuff that someone close to the family would know? on another thread you claimed that “it had been reported” that Zack had been sent over there “by his grandma”. There was never any such report &amp I’ve never heard that Victoria was on “probation” her SISTER was REPORTEDLY on probation! I can see why you’d been run off the other forums and the stupidity of which they speak of when it comes to your statements that 1/2 don’t make any sense. Just stop now with the bad mouthing of this poor girl hasn’t she had to deal with enough without a manic from 1/2 way around the world passing &amp starting rumors now too?

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June 16, 2008

Holly

bill, lawandorder and mark, I agree with you all really though I think the case for Cara was a bit different in that I think it was more of a a 16 yr. old judging something at the same time she was perhaps “scared stiff”? Up until a couple days ago I’d been under the impression that Cara had held the camera &amp was the one at the end taunting to “make it good”. But if she truly hadn’t hit Victoria &amp it was a matter of her being afraid of these girls then I could see where a 16 yr. old could misjudge. That said that does NOT mean I think I wouldn’t be *correcting* the bad all as a parent &amp like you’d said mark I imagine my kids would be asking the authorities to “please keep me here or send me to juvie but don’t send me home”. I think there’s a huge difference between knowing when to say something &amp/or just be brave &amp setting this girl up like Mercades did &amp then just sitting there &amp then threatening “next time it’ll be worse if you go to the cops”. Even after Cara left there if she was with one of those other girls &amp was staying over night with her &amp then had to go to school she may have felt the danger had passed &amp it was best to stay quiet etc. Again that would be the *wrong call* but a wrong call by a 16 yr. old &amp the wrong call of beating someone by a 16 yr. old is entirely different. The girls who beat her &amp yes even Mercades just sitting there &amp sort of verbally egging it on they knew better. This was happening in Mercades Grandmother’s home and rather than saying “watch out for the shelf, watch out for the shelf” she could have said “Ok enough already the neighbors are gonna call the cops &amp this is my grandmothers home we can’t be fighting here”. I mean it was kind of her house to be setting the tone &amp/or she would have been assertive. To hear her mother Mercades is not to blame for anything but being afraid as well &amp then like the rest of the parents goes on to blame the victim…. I just don’t get it &amp I don’t see how they can think they’re doing the kids any favors. Even the Grandma who owned the house had said she feels someone needs to sit these kids down &amp “talk to them”. Is she kidding? Anyway I have not heard Cara’s parents come out and say anything here where as you can find the parents of both Stephen &amp Zack online along with their siblings without a thought of saying what they think and in a extremely crude way! I have not heard anything or seen anything from the parents of the rest of the girls &amp when Cara spoke on camera while I was taken aback at her lack of *seeing what the real lesson was* I did think she was sincerely sorry for what had happened. Victoria had said that Cara “wasn’t saying much, I think she felt bad”. I think Victoria was probably reading her correctly and Cara like Victoria was kind of in survival mode &amp she is 16. I think after the fact she was probably just relieved to be out of there and felt “it’s over now”. Again I think that was extremely nieve to think especially since Victoria had been forced into a car with them….. but I did think she was sincerely sorry . I just wish she had some adults around her to explain what the REAL lesson would be so that there is a real lesson from all of it for her &amp not just “watch what you post on the internet because it can get you in trouble.” Again this is something a parent should have pointed out at the VERY least &amp well there is Brittini’s mom stting “she’s really a very nice person”. Is she kidding?

And I have to wonder if you’ve all done any kind of peek through myspace to check just some of these kids out? “brittbabe” is all sweet on her boyfriends mom’s page. It’s really incrredible.,

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June 16, 2008

mark

I guess being “16” now and being “16” when I was 16 is a world apart…Everyone I knew then would have told someone…
I said it before and I’ll say it again. This Country has lost its direction. How did we sink so low to allow this to happen in the first place. and Holly…your correct….everything was fine ’till she apologized….”watch what you put on the internet????” c’mon…we should put her in prison for for making those remarks alone……

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June 16, 2008

mark

Does anyone know when this trial is to start?

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June 16, 2008

navigator

Exactly, she, nor any of these young adults, has learned any lesson from this yet. Nor will they if we just keep letting them off the hook. Mark, our direction needs to be corrected and the only way to do so is to make these charges stick, along with any other such charges with any other accused individual, young or old. In this country, right now, our criminal justice system is a joke. People are getting put on probation for raping a girl, and thrown in prison for life for smoking pot! Not condoning the smoking pot thing, but come on- isn’t that a little back a**wards? We will let a drunk driver or drug addict off because they are famous and they need to film that all important stupid movie or some drug addict/wife abusing sports player off so he can play that all important game… No wonder these kids believe they can get away with anything and have NO respect for the law or authority. We as a society NEED to start making it stick… or it will just get worse. This isn’t the United States of Hollywood… or at least not yet.

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June 16, 2008

navigator

Per the Ledger, the end of June for pretrial and beginning of July for trial… unless they plead out… you know, that’s how all the criminals get off these days…

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June 16, 2008

mark

yep…I agree…you forgot one thing….If you got money…

Thanks for the info…strange they hadn’t plea bargained yet.

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June 16, 2008

navigator

Yeh, strange, but give it a few days or weeks… they’ll all be crawling to the prosecutor with stories of “woes me, where is my deal”. If they all get off with a slap on the wrist I will be very disapppointed in our justice system and have no hope left for the future. Not that this one case means everything, but to alot of young adults out there, they are watching to see what will happen with this, they will see how easy it is to get over on our system and then what… they are our future and then they will all loose repsect.

enough said.

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June 16, 2008

Holly

Hi all, Mark I agree and you know I don’t know how old you are but I was kind of thinking the same thing about people having “told when I was a kid”. But in some way I’d thought when I was a kid that would have been SUCH a scary thing I imagine my parents would have been able to SEE it on my face as soon as they saw me. And I kind of thought like you that perhaps it was because we were a bit more innocent back then? Those “kids fighting” that these parents keep speaking of they did happen but our parents didn’t turn a blind eye &amp just say “it’s kid stuff” we were still repremanded for the “kid stuff” because that’s how kids are taught for the real world. LOL Anyway that is what had sort of lead a bit of credibility in my mind to perhaps this girl being scared &amp especially of them going after her too.

When I was a kid &amp the way I raised my sons (3 boys can be VERY physically aggresive) but I had a husband who was actively parenting along with me &amp it wasn’t that I didn’t think they could or would make mistakes in judgement it’s just that they were made to see we learn from our mistakes by “paying the consequences for those mistakes” because that’s how we learn &amp remember not to do it again or to perhaps weight the options better next time… rules and laws are made for reasons &amp when we break them we’re going to have come kind of repercussions. If I’m late for work every day I’m gonna be docted &amp if it happens several times I may get fired. That’s life &amp we’re *suppose* to be preparing kids for the real world…. So by the time they are 16, &amp 17. they would have a good understanding of right &amp wrong. And really even at 14 yrs. old that April girl knew what she was doing &amp is exactly what I mean when I point to the blaten disregard for the law and what they’ve done. Cara was at least sobingly serious, and that other Brittney girl did the pouty no tear crying thing &amp Mercades looked nervious etc. But April LAUGHING in court was just beyond me. If my kid had done that you’d have been reading about me in the head lines the next day. I just don’t understand these parents and what the hell they’re thinking. And it cannot be just me that sees that these kids are ALL a direct product of those people….. I mean it would be like that J person who’s here running off stupid thoughts reproducing it 10 fold. We’ve got a little girl here who actually BELIEVES that Cara’s allegence was to not to tell because she’d be “selling out a friend”. Reporting a crime even when it is a friend is not “selling out a friend” it’s “doing the right thing” because we *all have to follow the law*. You cannot assault someone &amp BEAT them &amp then just go home and have a girlie party giggling while your beating &amp bruised victim goes to the hospital with a concussion…… Yet this girl some how even outside of this whole situation has been lead to believe that a “real friend will not sell you out if you commit assault &amp battery”. Are there NO PARENTS down in that area, even with THIS case going on setting their own kids straight on right &amp wrong? What the hell is the deal with these parents? If you go to myspace &amp you go through profiles the parents sound as vulgar as the kids! Everyone is in denial and I can’t even begin to tell you how many kids have barely made it through high school wtihout becoming parents &amp who don’t have a record! I saw a 24 yr. old the other night on myspace who’s friends of a sister of one of these kids who’s pregnant and on probabtion at 24 yrs. old? And this is like the normal conversation that takes place on these myspace pages of their. Those parents have truly done these kids all a disservice and should be asshamed in this day and age with all the possibilities in front of kids that they’ve allwed thenm to just run wild like they have. And then they continue to just say “she/he didn’t do it &amp they weren’t there” or “Well they wouldn’t let me spank her when she wa 15 yrs. old” Stephens mother on her blog actually claims that Victoria had set up this attack so she could put them all away in jail! I mean these people will apparently spin ANY tail to take the heat off their own kid…. &amp so it’s past denial but rather they protect their crimes and so it would be natural for the kids to think they’re suppose to protect too. We know what we’re taught…

Anyway I do agree with you all &amp I really think that the slap on the hand of them being on probabation &amp community service is laughable to them &amp why April wasn’t even worried in court, but actually laughing out loud. Without they’re parents teaching it is left to society to teach &amp yes they have to be made an example of.

There was a case in upstate NY I think like 2 wks ago where the mother actually stood over her daughter as she beat up some girl &amp cheered her on along with the girls Aunt! I think the punishments should be swift &amp yes harsh.

Of course then we get the flip side of this when they are scaring kids for life out in CA by telling them their friends have died in a car accident? What the hell we wonder why kids are all squirrely but with the adults all around them going from 1 extreme to the other polar opposite…

ok now I’m rambling but Lord it just seems the worlds gone completely nuts &amp no when I was a kid I would not have dared done anything even REMOTELY like this. I would have gotten in trouble for so much as smiling while a adult was repremanding me never mind laughing in court? woo hooo my mother would have had a field day with me.

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June 17, 2008

mark

Hey Holly,

Could not agree with you more…”where are the parents” I came from a broken home…all that meant was that I had two sets of parents that kept me straight. and the girl you mentioned that was pregnant and on probation by age 24….where did she find the time?????

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June 17, 2008

navigator

Great blog Holly!

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June 17, 2008

Holly

Mark see even though your parents weren’t necessarily “together” any more they were still “parenting” you and that’s the difference. Parenting is hard &amp not for the faint of heart &amp these other people just take the path of least resistance.

I don’t claim to be a perfect parent &amp I know I’ve made my mistakes but if I had kids that were all on probation or in jail or if I was just HEARING they were out beating up people I’d be devistated tht they’d turned out to be monsters &amp mean while “BrittBaby’s” mom is on national TV saying “she’s really a very nice person” well when could anyone tell that while she ws swearing like a sailor or when she was pounding on that girl?

See navigator I never feel like I’ve had a “good blog” but rather like I’m just rambling on with a rant. My blood just boild when I think of these people letting kids run wild &amp the rest of the world suffering for it.

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June 17, 2008

Leticia

it’s funny how mark and FOC can carry this as an adult conversation if you were different there would be cussing everywhere and i would be laughing because i’m immature (a little) cause i’m 13

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June 17, 2008

John

I was reading through these posts today, and I couldn’t believe this J person… what the hell was he thinking trying to defame the victim?

Anyway, I agree with you, holly, mark, and navigator. I’m 21, but if this happened in my town, the parents would have been so ashamed and embarrassed as to disown some of these kids. Reputation means a lot here. So I suppose there are a few isolated pockets of responsible parents left. I just wish I could have been there to get Victoria out.

Does anyone know if Victoria will be attending college?

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June 18, 2008

SweeneyToddLover

OMG! GO MARK AND HOLLY! YOU PEEPS IS ON
FI-YAH!(fire). This story is kind of scary to me though, cuz one of those girls is 14, which makes her only one year older than me, but i read about criminal acts/murders, cuz i like to hear about the police work(my dad is an ex-cop). and, i am just 13, so what do i know, but shouldnt Cara be in jail still, for *CONSPIRACY* of batterry? I was just wondering, cuz all the girls planned it out beforehand, didnt they? and they all *GOT TOGETHER* and *PLANNED IT OUT*. please write back soon, Mark and Holly. By the way SWEENEY TODD ROCKS MY POLKA-DOTTED SOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

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June 18, 2008

SweeneyToddLover

wazzup with her “i GUESS” im sorry and “B CAREFUL WAT U PUT ON THE INTERNET, YOU MIGHT END UP LIKE MEEEE!!!!!!!!!”

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June 18, 2008

SweeneyToddLover

And oh, “I didnt realize how bad it was until i saw the video! SHE WAS WATCHING IT LIVE WEN IT HAPPENED. She doesnt seem right.

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June 18, 2008

navigator

Your right Sweeny.. “she isn’t right”..in the head. She STILL has no clue that any of this was wrong because she has been raised to believe that it was no big deal by her peers and family… and it’s very sad. It seems as though alot of the families in this town are like this, I have read blogs from some people in The Ledger, hometown paper for Mulberry/Lakeland, and it is just sad to know that these kids are being raised to believe that this is normal behavior. Even the Grandmother of Mercedes said… which really killed me… “”I was shocked that she didn’t intervene and say, ‘Hey, enough is enough,” Mary Nichols said in the records that were released on Tuesday. “You know you hit her once, that’s it. Let her go.” ” Soooo… the Grandmother condons the beating , but as long as it is only one hit …. this is what these kids are being taught by NOT ONLY the parents… but their GRANDPARENTS…. It’s ok to fight as long as you don’t hit them to much…. My Grandmother would have had a cow… she would have been humiliated and would not have been able to stop apologizing for such horrid behavior… She would NEVER say… “You know you hit her once, that’s it. Let her go.”

But then my Grandmother had class.

Holly, if you can’t tell from all of my blogs, my blood has been boiling over this from the start… ignorant people who believe that this violent act was “no big deal” or that somehow the Victim is to blame, or try to discredit the victim in some way, REALLY piss me off too.

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June 18, 2008

navigator

and Holly, it’s ok… i rant alot too…

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June 18, 2008

SweeneyToddLover

Thanks for the encouraging words, navigator.I’m only13, so it feels good to hear those words.and i honestly dont see how she didnt see how bad it was when they did this, but she did once the video played back? she was there the ENTIRE time. that is the sign of either A a mentally challenged person, or Ba dumb-butt LIAR. Did you hear how many times she said “LIKE” and “UM”? THAT is the sign of someone trying to think up a LIE!!!!!!!!!!! THis is disgusting. The ONLY reason it would be okay with my parents to hurt someone would be if i gave them one specifically clear warning NOT to touch me. and if they invade my personal bubble AFTER that warning, I can punch them. SELF DEFENSE is the ONLY reason for violence. Especially with these “YOUNG LADIES”. I am a girl, and this OUTRAGES me. How would they like it if Victoria had seven other people lure them into a house and beat them up because of GUYS or WHAT THEY PUT ON MYSPACE! It is ridiculous! i am 13 and i would NEVER do ANYTHING like this, unless it is SELF-DEFENSE. Some people need to GROW up and learn the VIOLENCE is NEVER the answer. oh, and navigator, U ROCK MY STRIPED SOCKS!!!!!!!!!!

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June 18, 2008

SweeneyToddLover

oh, and my grandparents wouldnt ever give that kind of a message EVER! I have 3 grandmothers, 2 grandfathers, a great-grandfather, AND two great-grandmothers, and they are the nicest people in EVERY situation. If those stupid girls were smart, they wouldnt care what Tori said, cuz they would go by the famous words of Dr. Suess: Be who you are, and say how you feel, because those who matter wont mind, and those who mind DONT MATTER(OR THEY END UP IN JAIL)

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June 18, 2008

SweeneyToddLover

oh,and my grandparents would NEVER let me believe that is EVER okay. People without class mow the classy people’s GRASS

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June 19, 2008

Leticia

this is for everybody saying “Why didn’t she call the police?”

CAUSE SHE”S A FRIGGING TEENAGER LIKE ME!!!
she was probably behind the screen in shock with her mouth wide open. and not knowing what to do..
i would be that scared too.
wouldn’t everybody??

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June 19, 2008

Holly

Leticia “she was probably behind the screen in shock with her mouth wide open. and not knowing what to do..
i would be that scared too.
wouldn&rsquot everybody??”

Actually this is *exactly* what I’d originally been meaning by her being afraid. I CAN imagine being almost paralizingly scared to do ANYTHING with the fear of them turning on her. HOWEVER Cara does not do herself favors when she speaks to the lesson she’d gotten from all of this. That doesn’t say “I was afraid to challenge them or to tell” but rather says “I can’t believe we made the mistake of putting it on the internet &amp THAT is what got us in trouble”. It wasn’t putting it on the internet or even taping it that got them in trouble it was the *violent beating* that was directed at 1 girl that got them in trouble.

There are STILL many of their friends &amp family claiming “well she’ talked trash and they had to slap her down for it. Victoria says she’s fine”. It’s as though this is a “normal thing when someone says something out against another” &amp like the rest of the world is over reacting. It is NOT an over reaction it’s these kids/people that are “desenitized to the violence” &amp they continue to breed that attitude!

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June 19, 2008

Holly

SweeneyToddLover I’m not sure of the nitty gritty of who planned what except what we’ve read &amp/or heard &amp seen. I imagine the prosecutor is going to focus on the ones she can get a conviction for &amp/or the ones who are on tape doing the beatings &amp I would imagine Mercades drove the car Victoria was forced into and so I’d imagine she’ll still be in this too. I would think that while they’ve dropped the charges against the boys &amp Cara those “kids” will be able to be called as witnesses &amp will be considered “friends of the accussed” &amp the prosecutor will have them be the ones to say “yes they were upset with Victoria because _______, ________ &amp _________. And so now it will be friends incriminating the accussors. 🙂 I think this is all the prosecutors ways of staking her deck in court for the ones who are *seen* doing the hitting. This way if &amp/or when they want to do a plea bargain she’ll be able to say “hey THESE are now my witnesses!” It’s a bargaining chip. But I’m not a lawyer &amp just a mom here so what the heck do I know?

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June 19, 2008

Anon

In the end, putting all speculation aside, we can say this… This girl, Cara, was in the wrong place at the wrong time, regardless if she chose to be there. While, ideally, she should have tried to prevent the beating and call the police, she didn’t. But now she is apologizing. while I was so mad that anyone would do this, and wanted the to 8 people to truly feel remorse for what they did, I feel the only thing to do is accept. Cara had her charges dropped, she is remorseful and society has given her a chance. Saved her from a life of prison and parole. She can now spend the rest of her life trying to make up for what happened. Only she can make amends with her self and Victoria. Just keep in mind that there are the others still being tried. Everyone will pay for their wrong-doings. And i’m not talking about God, it will eat away at them forever.

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June 19, 2008

M. Hutchence

Very good points made here.
As someone who has worked with at risk teens for many years i am very interested to see how this case pans out. I really can’t express a view that hasn’t been expressed already- just that this is a prime example of how our society is in desperate need of shaping up. I think a couple kids in this group can turn things around, i have serious doubts in regards to the rest.

My only other comment is i got a kick out of how up at the header there is a peculiar typo that made me smile, My Crime space, a place for
” FIENDS”

may want to edit that one! 🙂

Anyways, will be checking in –

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June 19, 2008

Trench

Fiends was intentional. 🙂

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June 21, 2008

Anon

…Murphy says she never realized that what took place on videotape would turn into a national controversy…

Did it really take a national controversy to make her understand what is right and what is wrong? Had this video remained a local matter with the same set of circumstances, you would never feel a thing.

Witnessing a brutal attack in person, with your own eyes, one among the malicious trolls devouring her dignity, didn’t strike sympathy within you to stop it?

And to preface everything you say with “I guess…” shows a complete lack of sincerity on your part. If truly you felt sorry or scared, you would be a lot more precise in expressing your emotions. You lack confidence and spirit little monster.

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June 21, 2008

theoneguy

i so wish they will get beat up at every school they will attend. and i dont give a fuck if it will scar them, they are not persons, they are monsters. and if anyone says that i didn’t know them, they are just kids, blah blah, i dont care about anything you say. a child knows right from wrong so you cant tell me a teenager cannot do the same thing. these 8 kids are scum, nothing more but probably much less. they are disgusting human beings.

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June 22, 2008

from Italy

I think they all 8 were jealous of victoria lindsay because she was a cheerleader in the school and the 8 were not…..just see the picture of all 8

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June 22, 2008

Holly

from Italy actually several of them were cheerleaders…..

theoneguy: I’m not going to touch your comments except to say epathy wasn’t exactly top on your parents lesson plans either huh?

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June 23, 2008

from italy

Holly : ….actually several of them were cheerleaders&hellip..
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brittny hardcastle is a cheerleader o fat girl???
the two boys is a cheerleaders???

I’m not brad pitt but this 8 are not beautifull guy….

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June 23, 2008

from italy

holly holly you are not dolly

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June 23, 2008

Holly

Italy I may not be “dolly” to YOU but to those that love me &amp I love in return well they’d argue with you.

That said there must have been something about the words “several of them were cheerleaders” I never said they were ALL cheerleaders. You’d said you thought “all 8 were jealous of Victoria because she was a cheerleader” &amp that’s ridiculas. Some of them WERE cheerleaders so why in the hell would those that ARE cheerleaders care or be jealous? Now jealous that she’s more popular on the team or prettier than them perhaps but jealous of just her being a cheerleader doesn’t even make sense! And I don’t know about the schools in Italy but the high school here the boys wouldn’t be jealous of a girls who’s on cheering because it’s not something they want to do. I mean I’ve never heard any of my 3 sons come home saying “I’m so annoyed that girl made cheering. They should have picked me”. So NO ALL EIGHT of them were not jealous because she was on cheerleading.

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June 23, 2008

from italy

…..this is my opinion….(they all are jealous of her)

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June 23, 2008

Holly

I’m sure they are jealous of her but it wasn’t because of her cheerleading. She just embodied all they wanted and all that elluded them.

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June 24, 2008

Electronica

Well i was looking at this and i dont see why j defamed tori, he just said cara should have gone to tori first and let her decide. and tori was on probation her dad sais so. oh and j is banned no? so its so easy to attack.
also its ironic how people with the girls get beat like now its ok to beat someone. and even ready to beat the 3 who didnt beat or help beat anyone. i think these people wpuld join and beat tori they just need an excuse is all.

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June 24, 2008

Electronica

I mean the people who want the 8 get beat, those people would beat tori tooif they were there

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June 24, 2008

Holly

Electronica where and when did Victoria’s father say she was on probation? I’ve followed this pretty close and the only time I heard her parents speak was at the start when the man said he never seen a face so misshapened from a beating like his daughter had been and that he’d hardly recognized her. That was the press conference where he’d felt that myspace &amp youtube were to blame. While upset I don’t ever remember them (either of her parents) ever bad mouthing any of the accussed kids. Yet over &amp over we’ll see the parents of the accussed trivialize the beating this girl took at the hands of the monsters they created &amp go as far as to lay the blame for it at her feet for “trash talking”?! I believe Mercades mother said something to the effect of “I don’t know why she’d say those things if she couldn’t back it up”. It does not matter WHAT she did or didn’t say, who she was or was not sleeping with or what kind of record she had or didn’t have there was no reason for them to beat her like they did!

And as for this “J” person he’s so OUT there with all kinds of explainations for these kids &amp out right distortions that I thought he WAS A PARENT! He continually tries to discredit the victim with comments like ” I doubt Cara considered doing so, but in any case she&rsquod have a hard time contacting Tori &mdash no phone or permanent address, apparently”. I’m sure Cara would have had no problem finding a phone number for her parents after she’d gone to their home from the HOSPITAL!!!! He knows that &amp yet wants to make the point that Victoria was not living at home because she was having problems. Well lets just beat the heck out of her AGAIN for actually being a 17 yr. old! The facts are while she was having problems like ALL TEENAGERS she was also an hornor student, a cheerleader and popular. I understood it was from one of the girls involved in the beating that in her statement she’d mentioned it was Victoria’s sister who was on probation! The fact that Victoria was having trouble at home makes the attack on her even more brutal &amp heart breaking as we hear her in the 2nd video say to Mercades “I thought you”re suppose to be my friend &amp with all you know I’ve been through” &amp yet she’s being tossed to the clutches of those fiends called girls??? And that “J” person is *completely off* when he says that the 2nd tape contradicts what Victoria says! Rather it RE-ENFORCES what she said from being slapped and having her head hitting the wall (so hard people could HEAR IT in the tape), to her practically BEGGING for a cell phone &amp in reality that was a plea for help from her “friend” to being told “No did I tell you to leave?” &amp then Brittini really laying into her. I’m SURE like “J”” said that her mind WAS FOGGY from all of the blows to the head she’d already gotten and so perhaps the sequence of events are out of order and yea she’s probably blocked a section out &amp is the reason she doesn’t know how she made it on the couch, but for the most part she was RIGHT on! She even said that the one girl she’d asked for Mercades cell phone was texting on it and she can be SEEN doing so! She answers the phone &amp says to the person “I’ll call you back” but she can be seen continuing to text on it! I imagine it was to the boys outside! Just because the charges have been dropped does not equate with them being “innocent” it just means they didn’t have enough to make a charge stick! And there is NO WAY that those girls called up the girl Cara was staying with and said “come on over” &amp Cara was completely in the dark as to what was going to happen?! I guess the parents of these kids all believe these far out explainations but you’d have to be born yesterday to REALLY believe it! You want to look up Narcissistic personality &amp you’ll find a picture of all these parents &amp their kids there helping to define it!

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June 24, 2008

Holly

Oh &amp Again as for that J guy I was unaware he is banned? according to who &amp when?

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June 24, 2008

Holly

M. Hutchence I find your opinion very interesting given your profession and please know how sincere I am when I tell you you have my symathies working with at risk teens? You must be a very special person. I do agree with you though that I think several of those kids can turn themselves around etc. I’m interested though in what you think in how that can happen for them. I mean we tend to be products of our enviornment &amp well you know that harks back to sociology and so the idea of these kids “turning themselves around” is that something where they’re going to end up completely breaking away &amp/or them say going to college and being exposed to a different enviornment? We only know what we live and frankly I don’t think the best of this group has really gotten too much from this experience. And it’s hard for them to do so when they’ve got parents and those they look up to re-enforcing the attitude of them being the victim instead of the attacker. I understand the lawyers are just doing a job but the parents are really something else here. that Stephen kid’s mother actually has a blog where she basically questions why Victoria would go in the house &amp then says that she did it on purpose because knowing they was going to be a fight she (Victoria) was looking to have them “all put away” as in jail. So it’s the victim in her mind that has set up these poor children of theirs etc. etc. I don’t think this is the only parent or peer or sibling that has some way out there theory &amp makes the victim out to be some kind of vindictive liar etc.

When kids you’ve seen “turn their lives around” how is that created? is it an epiphany or a influence from outside their enviornment? I’m curious as to what your experience is.

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June 24, 2008

Holly

Oh and Trench I didn’t realize until the word “fiends” had left my fingers &amp originally there was no pun intended but I did realize prior to clicking on “submit” &amp I figured it was a good descriptive word for them &amp I let it just stand LOL

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June 24, 2008

Electronica

holly i read it in a newspaper her dad said tori had anger problem had fight with her stepmom ended on probation, her sister also is on probation.
and you dont undrstand im not saying tori is bad im saying makes sense to go to her first a j said, i’d want that done with me and many kids i know too. and its does not have to be her fault if shes not living with her parents i do not judge her like that you do?
as to the other stuff like the tape i’d have to read up on it not usre about the details. but i think you read into it wat you feel not what is real.

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June 24, 2008

Holly

Electronica every statement that has been made has been all over the computer and that includes newspaper stories. I’ve not *ever* heard of Victoria’s father saying she was on probation. The idea of someone being on probation means they’ve had charges brought against them as in had the police there etc. etc. It can *discredit* their word when it comes to things. *listen carefully now becuase you’re confused *I did NOT judge her or anyone* but I’m simply stating a fact that this person “J” is trying to discredit her. A persons history of past behaviors is often a good indicator of their future behaviors &amp/or of what they’re saying as to being true or not. for example mercades had already been on probation for having stabbed her ex-bf with a pen &amp THEN when on probation went against a court order to stay away from him. This WAS a newspaper article &amp was online. I could give you the URL to it. In that article about Mercades part of the threat against her ex was that she was going to get a hold of a gang of boys &amp he was going to be jumped! Sound anything like what happened to Victoria? And so yes people form opinions based on how we conduct ourselves &amp if people are running around setting up gang beating &amp stabbing people with pens &amp punching them in the chest so hard it knowcks the wind out of them when they later say “I had no idea what was going to happen” People have formed the opinion that “yes she did know”. The idea that Mercades has a record or the others of the group have a record speaks to their *history* of trouble with authority figures and THE LAW. When we say their “history” we’re speaking of more than one incident. The idea that Victoria was having issues with her parents is very typical of a teenager not necessarily of a *CRIMINAL* as in the criminal act that these “kids” have committed &amp had a history of committing. Stephen barely out on a eased restriction from a home arrest so he could go to work and what does he do? He drives on a license that is suspended &amp get rearrested. These are people who have no regard for the law &amp yes that’s a judgement because we can *hear their attitudes* And we are seeing their behaviors! We all form opinions of people on how they conduct themselves. In the 911 call did you not hear the mother of that other girl say her daughter too has had run in’s with these girls? This calls to the history of those kids &amp paints of apicture of who &amp what they are. And yes they lack credibility when they speak because they actions speak to the contrary. Mr. “J” there continually points to the things he thinks will discredit Victoria with her not having a home at the time etc. etc. which is a *fabrication* &amp I didn’t “read that in” it’s simply a fact that apparently you don’t want to see? Why is that? Are you related to him? And who said he was banned from the site? It seemed to me I spoke to him the other day &amp he just stopped responding. So according to him Victoria was without a phone, &amp Cara wouldn’t have been able to reach her. This implies Victoria was homeless &amp/or not welcome in her parents home. That’s a lie &amp at the least a fabrication because when she left the hospital where did she go? She was certainly at home and reachable. And now you’re here stating that Victoria was on probation. IF those things were even true what is the purpose of mentioning them except to “defame”? What do those things have to do with the attack that you &amp “J” would even bring them up? These are NOT things I read in but rather things you &amp J are impling…. Why?

And if you are “unsre of the tape” then might I suggest you go take a look at BOTH over on youtube so you have a clue as to what you’re speaking of… The emotiona cruelty of the beating alone is enough to make ones hair stand on end never mind the physical beating. You made comment about the people that are wanting to “beat those kids” even the “kids” that didn’t help with the beating? Well the fact is they did. They know it, their parents know it, the lawyers know it &amp we know it. Not enough evidence to convict does not mean they are “innocent” &amp if there was 1 reason there was a whole turnabout face &amp different theory they’d come up with why they were “innocent” &amp “they weren’t even there”. They were there &amp there’s no way even next door that they could not hear those girls screaming like they were but you’d have to see the tape to know that &amp THAT is why the sheriff did the release of it so that people would understand the BRTALITY of the beating &amp of these kids! All this crap that Cara comes out with that she “didn’t realize how bad it was” is all a crock of crap! there’s NO WAY someone could have watched that girl get beat the way she was &amp not realize she was needing a hospital ER!? &amp yet Cara got in a car with the sweeties next door who just drove off &amp did they have any clue where Victoria was even being taken? They couldn’t SEE her face so disfigured her father didn’t hardly recognize her? It’s all a crock of crap &amp again you’d have to be born yesterday or have your head stuck in the sand not to know they ALL played a part here. NO “reading something into it” needed!

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June 24, 2008

Electronica

ok i found the article, its in the local paper:
Lindsay, her father acknowledges, wasn’t perfect and had her share of problems, and was not living at home at the time of the incident.

After an argument with her parents, Lindsay had been living with Nichols for about a week when the beating occurred.

While she was well-liked among her friends, an honor student and maintained a job, her father said, she also had a history of anger problems.

A few years ago she had a fight with her mother, and had been put on probation, he said.

and its you who judges everyone not me im ok with tori i just say i and many kids i know would want cara to go to me first not call cops right away, i mean i know how to dial 911 if she does so shes just covering her ass anyway,.anf again, dont pretend i say what i do not say, i’m ok with tori having probation it does not make it ok to beat her.

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June 24, 2008

Electronica

and tori did not want to go home even after she got kicked out by the girls, not after she got beat by april. ans april said her own parents dont want her in the house. and i do not care its cool with me its you who seems so freeked out. oh and april said toris sis said shes a whore and tori said whose she to talk she lost virginity at 14. and again i dont care but you judge everyone.

those three kids got cleared cause they were not guilty, thats why. but you just slander them you dont care about truth. you must be adult right, kids are guilty until proven otherwise, your probably a teach.

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June 24, 2008

Electronica

and the brutality is crap theres a picture of tori soon after and i seen younger kids beat worse she barely looks beat only later her eyes get black thats normal but i’d had no clue she’d go to hospital many kids would not. and she was like let go soon and wrote on her myspave haha all in jail. and again im ok with that good for her. just dont pretend it was so bad like she almost die or such crap. you just saw in on tv so you go all freeky. you never seen a real fight or beating did you? i saw the second video and april does not really hit at all its just for the camera not hard at all and like tori was knocked out?!? OMG did just everyone agree to lie and didnt tell me? sorry im not in on this scam.

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June 24, 2008

mark

Holly…once again Great Blog…Thanks!!

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June 24, 2008

Holly

“ok i found the article, its in the local paper”

ok yea sure it is &amp if this was REALLY the case you don’t think it would be all over the internet &amp in EVERY interview that they’ve pointed out ALL of Victoria’s faults in? Come on the only time you see “probation” relating to this story is when they’re speaking of the *accused*!

“and its you who judges everyone ”
you may actually WANT to start making *JUDGEMENTS* of people other wise how would you ever stop &amp think “wow he/she looks dangerous”. It’s a “judgement” we ALL judge people based on how they look &amp conduct themselves &amp if you say you don’t you’re a liar…. You for opinions of peple every day &amp that is a “judgement”. If someone has a history of violence &amp now they’re suddenly saying “oops I was framed” are we not even going to question his word on it? If there’s a pedophile living on the block and a kid goes missing they’ll look to the kids parents first &amp to the pedophile, why???? Because of his/her history…. It lends to credibility. The little boy who cried wolf lost his credibility when he’d yell for help &amp guess what???? The last time was the truth but no one believed him because?????

Like it or not we ALL aquire a reputation &amp it’s either one of a basically good person &amp our friends are going to back us up &amp the people we don’t like are going to tear us down. The average person understands this but when we start talking about a POLICE RECORD that starts to become descriptive of who a person IS.

I *never* harshly judged Victoria even with her living at a friends home. And I wouldn’t begin to guess what actually happened between her &amp her parents. “Victoria has been known to have anger problems &amp had arguements/fights with her mother” what TEENAGER HAS NOT DONE that? But the average teen does not go stabbing their ex-bf, punching him so hard they knock the wind out of him &amp then threatening to have him jumped by a *group* of male friends! *everything her I have said in any of my posts can be linked to where it came from how about your claim?

you said “april said toris sis said shes a whore and tori said whose she to talk she lost virginity at 14.”
SO WHAT? exactly what was Victoria SUPPOSE to say THANK YOU?” All she did was *ARGUE with the girl &amp she got her *HEAD POUNDED IN TH WALL!

you said ” and i seen younger kids beat worse ”
Really? and what did YOU do when that happened just watched and said “aww it aint too bad I seen worse”? People get mugged &amp raped EVERYDAY it’s still CRIMINAL!!!!!!

you said
“she barely looks beat only later her eyes get black thats normal but i&rsquod had no clue she&rsquod go to hospital many kids would not.” ARE you wacky or what? so you think with her having ringing in her ears &amp not being able to HEAR &amp her blurry vision she should have just shuffled off to school the next day? What the hell I don’t know what neighborhood you’ve grown up in but let me tell you there’s a whole *CIVIL* world out there that this violence is a lot less likely in because we bring our kids up to realize it’s WRONG! It isn’t that it wasn’t brutely it’s just that apparently you’ve seen it so much in your life you don’t know any better! Anywone who watched that tape *EITHER ONE and didn’t think those girls where brutal and cruel has to either be them or related to them! I mean lets see now there was that nice brut Brittini who’s mother said to a reporter &amp I QUOTE “she’s really a nice person” Well let me let her in on a little secret “nice people” don’t BRUTALLY ASSULT other kids!

And YOUR attitude is the EXACT thing I’ve been trying to point out to others here in that you don’t know anything but what you’ve seen &amp are a product of your enviornment &amp so I THANK you for making such a GOOD &amp QUICK example for me of how YOUR parents &amp teachers have done you such an INJUSTICE!

you said “you never seen a real fight or beating did you?”

I’ve raised 3 sons trust me when I say I know what a “beating is” and I understand the “he pissed me off so bad I grabbed hold of him &amp told him again &amp he’s finished” &amp then the fight ensues. THAT is A fight and even THEN mine always knew that regards of the why there was going to be consequenses. To every act is a REACTION good, bad or indifferent….

you said ” you must be adult right, kids are guilty until proven otherwise, your probably a teach.”

some more of that “anti-authority attitude” the big bad ole police, &amp them teachers who are going to be talking about responsibility &amp accountability….. oh my gosh what a concept huh? this is that attitude that is so common among the parents and kids down there? “Our wonderful sheriff Grady…. Those were the words of Stephens father the drunken on on national TV saying “that wasn’t a gang beating it was a one on one fight”. umm yea ok…. he’d be having hair shit fits if that was his precious one….. &amp he’d be DEMANDING the heads of the kids who did it. &amp THEN his wife goes on her blog &amp accually ACCUSSE the victim of SETTING the other up to “put them away”! Every time an “adult” around any of these kids speaks it’s always with some scapegoat excuse that they’re kid is an angel &amp in reality the victim here. Once again look up narsassistic personality &amp they’re ALL BE THERE!!!!

In reality ALL parents are SUPPOSE to be teachers. And no kids aren’t always guilty until proven innocent except when I see them with my EYES beat the hell out of someone!

from the words of her father from an interview that has been all over the internet like ALL the interviews!

“”When I saw my daughter in the emergency room, I didn’t recognize my own daughter,” said Patrick Lindsay, Victoria’s father.

He’s not lying he was horrified &amp I pray you or your parents never have to go through that.

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June 24, 2008

Holly

Mark thank you &amp you know I’ve always felt that people were being kind of snobby when they had kids and yet they would have the nerve put down another parent &amp say “Oh people should have to have a license to have and raise a child”. Because you know no parent is perfect and they get into trouble as kids &amp there are some who’ll grown into actual criminals when they’re parents were good upstanding people etc. But then along come so many angry &amp ignorant people that are BREEDING and passing it on?! And those words ring in my ears that it should “be against the law” to produce more….

but in some ways it’s a perfect example of the attitude &amp mentality of these kids &amp/or people. And so this harks back to my question to
M. Hutchence in that with so many of thes “teachers &amp police have it in for kids” attitudes and a person just not knowing anything but what they live with how do some of these kids turn their lives around? Is it just through a higher education that they get a glimpse of so many others that they can &amp/or they just start to change?

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June 24, 2008

Holly

ok Electronica I stand corrected Victoria’s father did say she was on probation. and it’s in that same article I’d just quoted from. I’m not sure if I’m allowed to pst the URL here but it was in the ledger which is online.

Anyway the way I read this is that because of her problems at home Victoria was put on probation by her parents. I’ve actually used that phrase myself i.e. “You’re on probation sir let’s just see if you can make it ontime to school this week and then we’ll talk about going out on the weekend”.

Her father had said

“After an argument with her parents, Lindsay had been living with Nichols for about a week when the beating occurred.

While she was well-liked among her friends, an honor student and maintained a job, her father said, she also had a history of anger problems.

A few years ago she had a fight with her mother, and had been put on probation, he said.”

To me this reads that she was living with them conditionally because of her *history with anger*. and so it would have been “You’re living here on probation/conditionally you keep your anger in check.”

now I don’t know that is the case &amp it could have been legal probation with the juvinial system, but it seemed he was explaining why she’d been living with Mercades &amp that she’d been “put out”.

To me these are normal average teenage growing pains. And she had parents who were teaching her there was a “set of rules she’s got to live by” They were teaching civility.

Again this is all beside the point because no *I* was NOT judging her for this but simply stating it was being made an issue to damage her credibility. That doesn’t have to be just in *my judgement*.

I had a father years ago that wa mugged. He’d been dragged into an abandoned building beaten in the side of the head with a pipe which they’d stopped doing long enough to start trying to break his finger to get his wedding band &amp that’s when the police broke in. *SEEING it* the muggers got off because the defense attorney made it sound as thought my father was drunk &amp just stopped his car and wandered up into the building on his own? It WORKED! even with 2 cops as witnesses &amp pictures of his bruises. But I guess muggings happen every day &amp so his wasn’t too bad huh?

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June 25, 2008

Electronica

Holly it all started when i said i agree with j that cara should go to tori first. and more that cara calling cops just be shes covering her ass. and that this is not degrading tori. nothing you said does anything to change my mind it doesnt apply.
and i todl the fcts about tori cause its fun to see you have a fit its you who care not me tori is fine with me.
and im here for myself not anyone else so i dont care what soemone else says and i didnt do anything to your granpa. and i dont know anyone down in florida.
what i do know yur biased like hell you make all ezxcuses for tori cause you think every kid is eie=the good or bad but that so stupid. and then you damn innocent kids you have no prof at all but its ok with you they got death threats?

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June 25, 2008

M. Hutchence

Hey Holly-

It really is hard to say what gets in a young persons mind to make them turn things around.
There is no tried and true method.
I have seen extensive cases of counseling and therapy not do a thing for one individual, and then a week later i will work with another who just wakes up one day and turns things around.

YES it goes without saying that the more educated a person is, or strives to attain, the less likely he or she will be inclined to engage in violent activity. Although i know of plenty of kids who have great, fullfilled lives, even barely making it out of high school. Education really does play a factor.

As for adult authority figures having it “in” for certain age groups, to a degree yes, but it seems there is overwhelming evidence in this case that this group needs to be dealt with. More than a few of these girls are truly vicious, and i have no doubt that they will escalate and continue to be a threat to those around them if they are not dealt with.
BTW, myself, and two of our resident neurologists believe without a doubt, that Victoria could easily have been killed that day. It only takes 4-8 lbs of pressure from a blow to the head to kill an adolescent.

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June 25, 2008

Holly

Electronica LOL ummm I had a bit of trouble actually reading the 2nd half of your post there.

” what i do know yur biased like hell you make all ezxcuses for tori cause you think every kid is eie=the good or bad but that so stupid. ”

you don’t know squat…..

and it wasn’t my “grandpa” but my father and sadly your reading skills aren’t enough that you understood the message being conveyed to you. He was doing nothing but driving home from a retirement party when he was mugged &amp yet in court that was turned into him being in a drunken stuppor where he’d wandered into an abandoned building &amp the “accussed” GOT off with that excuse! The same dragging down of who Tori &amp/or her reputation by continually mentioning her faults is to discredit her &amp her word as to what happened. And I’m sorry if you seeing a crime with your own eyes isn’t enough for you, but for me I don’t need proof beyond my eyes. This was not a person who lost control &amp punched someone in the face but it was a “beating”! And it wasn’t even a beating in a moment of a fit but a “planned out one” that’s why they were all there.

i todl the fcts about tori cause its fun to see you have a fit its you who care not me tori is fine with me.

Well first I’m not sure what you consider to be a “fit” is that because I used an exclamation point or 2 or 3 in my post to you? LOL I’m not losing sleep over ya take my word for it. I do think it’s scary tolhave he ignorance such as yours out there and then reproducing that’s true.

Oh &amp how can “tori be fine with you” if she doesn’t even know you or you know no one down there? And it doesn’t matter if you’re not from Florida because that “anti-authority attitude” or “you’re a mean old teacher or police office out to get us poor misunderstood delinquents” is in ignorant pockets all over the US it’s not special.

What IS special is when you get a family who in the mist of that enviornment like Tori’s parents &amp they are really parenting &amp have a kid or more who may actually make something of herself as a result…. That’s impressive &amp that is special.

“nothing you said does anything to change my mind it doesnt apply.”

I’m sure you’re right but my question is do you really have a mind? Doesn’t seem to me you do or not one that you actually are using.

As far as you

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June 25, 2008

Electronica

holly you know well you have no proof on the boys and you know cara didnt do anything to tori but you still damn them and you dont care they get death threths do you?
your just a bully you insult but you dont answer.

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June 25, 2008

Holly

M. Hutchence you said
“BTW, myself, and two of our resident neurologists believe without a doubt, that Victoria could easily have been killed that day. It only takes 4-8 lbs of pressure from a blow to the head to kill an adolescent.”

LOL I’m sorry I’m dripping with sarcasim here and only going to be flaming things today. In reality it was not to flame but with a great desire to have a laugh with another adult I can actually hear tone in his words. 🙂 If it wasn’t so scary the attitudes and the indifference toward the suffering of another the obsurdity would be somewhat funny. Anyway I’m always so grateful for that backspace key you know? I had to completely cut my 1st paragraph to you and start again. 🙂

Anyway I’m sure you &amp your colleagues are correct regardless of the teen expert here. I truly believe it was but by the grace of God that victoria made it out without any permenant damage or yes even having been killed. Have you read anywhere if her site and hearing has returned to normal? I’d heard her doctors say they were hopeful that it would but they were not sure…

And yes I understand what you’re saying about this particular group of girls. And you know it isn’t that I don’t believe these girls are old enough now to just know better or that I think they’re “just confused kids” because I don’t. I think that it’s just something that get’s passed down in attitudes and such and just listening to the parents they sound just like the kids here. “it wasn’t a gang beating but a 1 on 1 fight”? The comments made by these parents is just SUCH a demonstration of why we have young adults out of control &amp how/why it reproduces.

Someone in your position I thought might be interested in a theory I’d heard not long ago &amp really gave me reason to pause that the difference in Narscassistic personality disorder and the “traits” of NPD or just having Narcassisistic traits is that it’s the parent that actually has NPD raising kids and them adopting the behaviors/attitudes &amp yet not necessarily having NPD. NPD is not really a treatable illness or disorder but the kids don’t actually have the disorder and so are treatable. I thought it very interesting and it kind of explains why there’d be so many that *look* to have the disorder. Of course how they could tell the difference I’m not sure since a person that really does have NPD often just figure out what a therapist wants to hear &amp just manipulates.

Anyway getting back to this group of kids I believe you’re right and that *especially* if it’s just a wrist slapping these *young adults* are going to be laughing about it as much as they did when they were saying “are we going to miss cheering practice?” And The mother of Victoria’s friend who’d been speaking to the 911 dispatcher said her daughter too had had problems with this group.

I’m not really a fan of Bill ORielly but it was pretty funny when one of the lawyers was on his show and they’d been debating a bit &amp I only caught the ending part where he’d said “ok I’m gonna let you have the last word” &amp the lawyer is saying that she feels these kids should be getting “community service so they have a better understanding of the impact etc. etc. &amp then put on probation” &amp Bill say “Ok well I’m sorry but I can’t let that just be the last word because that’s nonesense with the brutal attack they planned &amp launched on that girl they need to do jail time”. &amp then he goes into his closing.
but see at least the lawyers are saying what they are with *thought* because it’s they’re job to get them off. But their parents have basically created these little fiends (sorry I stole that word again but the word fits) &amp then unleashed them on the world. They are now old enough however that they should have some understanding that not everyone acts like well home. 🙂

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June 25, 2008

navigator

Electra… so you say “cara would have been covering her ass” … is that how you would see that??? That trying to help someone by calling the police or telling a parent is covering her ass? Then you have just made the point that Cara was NOT innocent in this , if in fact she WOULD HAVE to cover her ass! The point is this… if Cara felt so SCARED for Tori, then she SHOULD HAVE helped in some way… by talking to a parent (if the parent gives a damn, which we all know this group does not) or by talking to the poilice and letting SOME adult with any sense know what happened because the victim had been threatened to NOT say anything or it would be worse and MAYBE she would be to scared to help herself. And I don’t care if Tori was on probation or not, she was beatin and her probation would NOT be effected by her getting beatin… she would not get in trouble because she was beatin…. and I agree with Holly, If Tori was on probation it would be ALL over the news and media in the beginning… there is no record of her being on probation through the courts and even if she was her father said it was a few YEARS ago… even if it was through the courts, she would be off probation now… and she has proven she has straightened up by being a good student, has a job and was a cheerleader when all this happened… the others on the other hand have been getting worse, brutal behavior and trying to run people off the road with cars, stabbing boyfriends… etc. They are such “angels” ya know….LOLOL

Holly, you go girl!!

And M. Hutchence… I said that a long time ago… Boxing matches do not last as long as the FIRST video did… and they have BREAKS… and some of them have been killed or have permanent brain damage because of the injuries to thier heads…. but “it was no big deal”… I just don’t get the world today… really don’t!!!

It’s ok to beat someone and it is “normal to get a black eye after a fight… most kids don’t go to the hospital” … is it so “normal” to get into or see fight today that kids ARE thinking it’s no big deal to beat someone or see someone getting beat – our soceity has desensitized these kids to this vioent behavior, and society WILL pay an even BIGGER price for it in the future… sad to say!

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June 25, 2008

LawAndOrder

Somewhat OT, but I didn’t see a blog entry for it yet. Kayla Hassall names names and talks about the beating in a June 11 deposition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAM0E3ReXTg

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June 26, 2008

Holly

LawandOrder thanks for the heads up on that video I had no idea &amp I’ve seen/heard all the rest of the video’s. It’s been on youtube for a month now and I don’t think many have seen it because no one even comments on it. Though I do think that this girl isn’t really all that believeable because she &amp Mercades did indeed “get their stories together” for the original statements they made. Those 2 statements were identical &amp had them hardly involved at all with them staying outside prior to the attack in the house I thought. I can’t remember it’s been so long since I’d read that but I just remember the 2 statements were near idential even in their fabrications. Interesting how these girls ALL claim to being afraid of Brittini Hardcastle. I mean “she’s a very nice person” no? sorry couldn’t resist.

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June 26, 2008

Holly

Holy Cow……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opE2647f8aQ

It’s like unleashing one of the Manson girls.

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June 26, 2008

Holly

Electronica

Every time you write your thoughts here and/or your opinions you make a perfect example of what I’d been trying to point out about those girls and their enviornment etc. Thanks so much for being such a perfect example. 🙂

YOU SAID
‘holly you know well you have no proof on the boys and you know cara didnt do anything to tori but you still damn them and you dont care they get death threths do you?”

Well 1st I don’t ever remember “damning them” nor have I ever encouraged or even said I approve of death threats to them. I do believe they all played a part in this yes and I do believe they should all be held accountable. I don’t believe that they are remorseful no &amp yes I believe they’ve had an injustice done to them but not by the “authorities” that their parents have claimed “trumped up these charges” but the injustice is by THE PARENTS themselves for creating them……

I don’t need “proof” to form an opinion but I just need to observe what I’ve seen and heard. The girls were screaming so loud there’s no way the boys sitting on a porch next door couldn’t have heard &amp Stephen TOLD the 1 detective they’d heard them planning it all etc. etc. &amp then he changed his story when he was taped for his formal statement. This is a part of the records. i can read &amp those were Stepehens words prior to them “getting their stories straight” as the little pony tailed one had stated she &amp Mercades were instructed to do too! Cara says that she was at a fiends house (pun intended) and that they’d gotten a call to come over there &amp so she went along and had no idea what was happening? Sorry it’s just not believable…. If one of my girls friends now or back in the day when I was a kid was about to get into a fight even a verbal fight we would have been yaking away about it &amp since this was supposedly about things that Victoria said on the computer etc then Cara had to know what was happening. It’s a social network for kids &amp they ALL know what’s happening!

I’m sure you’ll argue my points and you accusse me of stuff and call names &amp well just continue to flame with comments like

“your just a bully you insult but you dont answer.”

awww well I’m sure you’ll live after all you’ve seen beatings much worse right?

Look I’ve raised teens and argued till the cows come home because that’s what teens do best. I’m not gonna sit here and argue with someone else teen because well you’re your own parents problem.

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June 26, 2008

navigator

Holly… you want to get really pissed… go to the Ledger… Hardcastle was just let off house arrest. There is also an interview with Kayla Hassal with the prosecutor … I am just sick… can’t believe it and it pisses me off… these little brats are going to get away with this and give every kid in the world the right to beat who ever the hell they want… BULL****!!!!!

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June 26, 2008

Holly

Navigator – yes I know and the link I put there is to the video of her court hearing that’s on youtube. I think this is one of the most irresponsible things I’ve ever heard of. She’s a threat to society to say the very least &amp I have to wonder with their lack of respect for the laws and such if she isn’t going to make good on her promise and go after Victoria? What was the threat if she went to the police that beating would be just the start or something like that? This is what they just let out. Again it’s like a Manson Family girl.

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June 26, 2008

mark

Someone should check the oxygen and/or water quality in Polk County FL…it would explain a great deal of things…

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June 26, 2008

navigator

LOL Mark!

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June 26, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch kids can get killed when theres fights or beatings easy. i got hit and fell on this heater iron edge got stiches between my eye and temple wasd told a bit to the left no eye a bit ti the right i’d die.
any fight and stuff kid falls can get hit in the head and die. also games and sports even soccre can get bang your head bad. and cheerin too comp cheering is worswe you fall on your head your screwed easy.
you dont know how hard which girl hit and doesnt mean they didnt care if tori dies just means they weere stupid. you do real cheering you have no fear or your stupid or both anyways.

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June 26, 2008

Electronica

holly learn to read i asked do you care not do you “approve” that the kids get death threats. and i asked several times and also said people wanne hurt them but no one here show they care.
and yes you damned all 8 before you didnt say its just opinion you gave it as fact and thats how you answerd me when i asked you is it riht cara and the boys get death threats but you just said their guilty so it shows you dont care if they die or get hurt. and no one cares, not on tv or in the papers or here mr. hutch or nav or you. you only care when its not a kid you say is bad.

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June 26, 2008

Electronica

nav i said cara should have gone to tori first. and fo course cara should have stopped the beating she said she tried a bit but not enough. so yes she was wrong but shes not a criminal and she should not get death threats and she does not deserve to get hurt or killed is what i say.
and yur naive you think you get beat you cant get in trouble with cops doesnt work that way.

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June 26, 2008

Electronica

kayla was mad at tori cause wen tori ran away from home weeks before and was drinkin at parties her parents called kayla and kayla told them and parents called cops on tori… and tori said she’ll beat kaylas ass. so thats what kids get doing what adults say is right.
and you can hear kayla remindin tori that tori promised to beat kaylas ass on the vid but tv didnt tell you this.
you think kids are just good or bad but most kids are both. and families too toris sister is on prob and bosts its for 12 batteries on her myspace,.
and none of it means it was right to beat tori it was wrong. but now its not right to be so cruel to all those 8 kids. thats what i say.

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June 26, 2008

Holly

Electronic what have ya been smoking?

“kayla was mad at tori cause wen tori ran away from home weeks before and was drinkin at parties her parents called kayla and kayla told them and parents called cops on tori&hellip and tori said she&rsquoll beat kaylas ass. so thats what kids get doing what adults say is right.”

those mean ole adults huh? LOL

as for if I “care” that these people get death threats I’m sorry you have trouble with the definition of “approve” but I disaprove of death threats on them though I believe violence begets more violence and it’s almost to be expected. If someone punches you you’re gonna punch em back right? Well they beat this girl and while I don’t think it’s correct or I do not approve I think that threats of violence are going to be made on them. Do I care? As much as I cared when Victoria was being beaten within an inch of her life. Apparently you DON’T care about a person being beaten &amp are completely unmoved. Assualt is assualt is assault &amp it doesn’t matter how horrible of an assault you’ve seen it doesn’t make one that’s less brutal not assualt or “ok”. You keep trying to trivalize the beating Victoria took &amp I ask why?

Again I’ve had enough arguring with a angry teen you’re the problem of your own parents &amp you szhould just go aruge with them. Do they not pay enough attention to you?

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June 26, 2008

Holly

Oh &amp electronica

“you dont know how hard which girl hit and doesnt mean they didnt care if tori dies” they didn’t care that Victoria dies or how hurt she was &amp yes we DO know how hard she hit because we could hear &amp see it! It was hard enough to have affected her hearing &amp sight &amp there were *neurologists* saying she could have died. Are you implying now that it’s still nothing or that you a 14 yr. old know more than them? LOL those foolish adults huh?

“just means they weere stupid.” No they’re not just “stupid” in their beating but they were MEAN &amp CRUEL! ”

“you do real cheering you have no fear or your stupid or both anyways.”

This is perhaps true but the difference is that in cheering it’s a recklessness with YOURSELF and it’s a sport. Beating a person is a *brutal CRIME* done by CRIMINALS!

If you were in the getaway care of a bank robbery you’d still be charged with bank robbery. And if you got off saying you were forced to do that because you were afraid not to you may get off but that doesn’t mean that’s really true!!!! The charges being dropped do not mean “innocent” it just means they couldn’t get a conviction…..

Education dear you need it *badly*

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June 26, 2008

Holly

“Someone should check the oxygen and/or water quality in Polk County FL&hellipit would explain a great deal of things&hellip”

Mark you can say that AGAIN! And while we on that topic I want to know what perscription drugs the judge is on? It’s scary what they’re setting free on society…

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June 26, 2008

Lover not fighter

Friend of Cara and Electronica,

you both are probably as fat and nasty as Cara herself. Get a life and suck a dick hoes!!!

Love ya always!!

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June 26, 2008

tweedster

Lover not fighter,

that was freaking hillarious!!

FOC and Electronica, quit trying to stand up for these girls. They were wrong, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Go back to playing Barbies and leave the big Kid things to us big kids.

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

lovenot i’ve always been so skinny people sometims make fun of me. you try to insult cause yu know im right.

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

holly i said before many times tori didnt deserve to get beat. and i said it on my own.
you wrote novels all 8 kids are evil but never that its wrong to want them get hurt real bad or killed.

you say “If someone punches you you.re gonna punch em back right?” well i dont punch them a week later i punch to defend. and its not tori saying shell beat them but so many people who dont even know tori.
toris sis did say shell beat them up once shes off probation and i dont agree but i see her point shes blood and she doesnt mean to hurt real bad just beat up and it would be her ass in troube if she beats them up to bad and injures them they know her she wouldnt get away with hurting too much. so i woudnt worry much. but others can harm them real bad you dont attck kids you dont know and who never did you wrong if your not in it for the hurt.

and punching back is so not like wanting the girls get killed it doenst compare its insane but noboy says its insane. kayla says she got letters from ppl telling her theyll kill her once its over that can happen cause everybody says shes so evil and no one cares if she dies.

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

holly i dont trivalize how tori got beat i said its wrong and even said cara was wrong and she didnt even punch tori. but id rather get beat like tori than be like april or kayla now. everyone wnats them get hurt and crazies say theyll kill them. even if not theyll get hurt real bad in prison there will be a line to beat them you can bragg for years you hurt those evil girls like everyone asked you to.

and you dont get the point with cheering my point is it changes what you think is real danger and you dont see into their minds you just make up stuff cayuse you hate so much. and i never said it was not a beating or that it was ok you make up stuff again. i said it was wrong all along.

and holly you say youll not argue and then you argue and argue and argue. Your like some little kid.

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June 27, 2008

Holly

Electronica you said

“you wrote novels all 8 kids are evil” I never made any such comment. Though I do find it INCREDIBLE that BrittBaby’s mom thinks shes “really a very nice person”. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad!!!!

“but never that its wrong to want them get hurt real bad or killed.”

once again I’m sorry you have trouble understanding the meaning being the word “dissaprove” I disapprove of death threats &amp that would not be any different in this case. I don’t “wish death threats on them, nor do I think the people who do so are right in doing so. HOWEVER I believe that violence begets violence &amp when we act vicious and brutally beat someone &amp then *DISPLAY it* we have to try to *use that noggin of yours* &amp THINK that people might give that back to us….. That was the point I was trying to make when I said if someone slaps you it’s natural to slap em back…. I was speaking to what one would *rationally* consider to be a normal reaction. But one would need a brain to think.

“and you dont get the point with cheering my point is it changes what you think is real danger” I got your point but it’s *BULLSHIT*…. I WAS a cheerleader! I KNOW young cheerleaders now! The ones I know are competition WINNERS! They think these girls are a bunch of (their words) “jack asses”. In my experience being a cheerleader and getting hurt on occassion gives the person a much more REALISTIC idea of how easy it is to get hurt &amp how EASY it is for permenant damage or even death to happen! And of course you “falling on a heater” etc. is an “accident” these girls *purposely beat this girl* you DO get that difference right? When the Nuerologists said that Victoria could have easily been killed you do understand it would not have been from an accident but from a *deliberate &amp BRUTAL beating* right? That would have been called *manslaughter*!!!! Like getting into a car and driving drunk it isn’t with the *intention of killing as in “murder” but it’s clear they could kill someone &amp go ahead with *indifference* to that &amp that is “manslaughter”. Look that up dear it’s importaant for you to understand because if you’re going around hitting people thinking “well it wasn’t too bad a beating”. You might want to understand what the charge will be if you kill them…. &amp even though killing them may be a lot quicker than you *think it will* it won’t make a difference because you’re still doing it with “indifference to the possibility”. That’s the “grown up world” welcome to it……

“holly i dont trivalize how tori got beat” yes you do &amp according to you she really didn’t even need medical attention because you’ve “seen much worse” &amp they “didn’t go to the hospital”. LOL well now that Dr. Electronica has spoken we all know better don’t we??? LOL I didn’t realize at 14 yrs. old could be such an “expert”. However ALL 14 yr olds. THINK they are “experts” in everything…

Oh &amp again thanks for proving me correct!

I said “I&rsquom sure you&rsquoll argue my points and you accusse me of stuff and call names &amp well just continue to flame with comments” And just as I said YOU DID! LOL

Clearly you have trouble grasping *concepts* &amp just enjoy arguing. Again I’ll say you are your parents problem I already raised my teens.

Though I do have a guestion for you what is all that crap about Kayla? What point was that all about? Who gives credit to the words of some girl who’s feeding the fires of a beating saying “If I wasn’t afraid of Brittini I’d have opened the door &amp told Tori to leave”. LOL they’re ALL covering their asses. And no none of them have any remorese &amp think there’s nothing wrong with what they did. Anyway I just wasn’t sure why you’d dragged the words of that one into what you were saying about Tori. I did not hear ANY where about how Kayla told her parents about Tori drinking &amp they called the police? HUH? where on what tape did they say THAT? You are one of them aren’t you?

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June 27, 2008

M. Hutchence

hey electronica,

I never said i care one way or the other of the girls that took part in this, as i do not know them,

I’m not sure what Vic did to piss them off, but from what ive seen and heard, here, and elsewhere, She seems to have gotten more than adequate payback.

I was merely stating that blows to the head are dangerous.

In your first message to me you seem to know that too. Yes kids, and adults as well, suffer mishaps that can lead to severe head injury. We just had a guy here last week die downtown after stepping off a curb and hitting his head.

My point was in reference to those who down play that Vic took a really horendous beating.
I’ve worked with kids, both male and female that have intentionally tried to kill or maim someone. so no, I don’t want to see anything horrendous happen to any of this group, just see them get fixed, or if they can’t, then removed from society so no one else has to take a beating.

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June 27, 2008

xxqsme70

Holly,

Say it like this and “they” will get it.

Dem deth thetz…aint gud. i don lik dem thretz. no no no.

You’re too eloquoent, gurlizzle (fo sizzzle)

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

mr hutch we agree on some things and maybe not on other things
1) how dangerous it was for tori
2) how badly she was beat
3) what the girls wanted
i agree 1) tori was in real danger but 2) she didnt get beat that horrible she just got concusion and black eyes thats bad but not horrible every day theres many kids beat as bad or worse. its like me i could have lost an eye or died but i didnt so it wasnt so horrible for me. and 3) the girls were angry and stupid but they didnt want to kill or maim tori they could have but didnt and no reason to say they wouldnt care if she got real hurt.

and i know as you say you dont care about the girls thats my point. you know people say theyll hurt or kill them and you say they could have killed tori it will make mad people even more mad and more wanting to hurt or kill them so thats why i think one should also say it doesnt mean its ok to hurt them or kill them thats all.

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June 27, 2008

john

LOL to xxqsme70. So many people on here have such poor writing skills that it’s funny. Especially electronica- I’ve seen better writing from a second-grader. Like run-on sentences much, electronica?

I think you all should just stop repeating things to FOC and electronica- they just don’t get it and never will. Just like those 6 girls, huh?

Anyway, I was hoping to see some news about Tori. All the latest stories are about the perps, but nothing about the condition of the victim. Anyone?

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

holly what i mean is you knew people say theyll hurt or kill these girls but you didnt care you said over and over how bad they are but not on your own that its wrong to hurt them or kill them.
kayla was angry at tori and she screamed at her and even if she didnt hit her and even if she didnt cheer her gettin beat and even if she had a right to be angry what she did was wrong. she could have said tori your bad but its not right to beat you. thats what id have done.
and you and many others are worse than cara your like kayla. but kaylas 15 thats not really so old but your adults. and kayla will be punished as an adult and no one will care shes not really grown up yet. your adult but no one cares you make crazy people even more mad at the girls by what you write and that the girls may get killed.

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

xx is wrong i dont talk that way. john is half right. its how i write it flows better and if im careful i can spell ok. just read what i write its not hard and its my style.

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June 27, 2008

Electronica

holly not sure what your asking about kayla. what she says about tori’s parents calling her and then calling cops can be checked easy and im sure they did.
and i said she was wrong but you can hear a girl i think is kayla on the first vid yell like four times at the fat bitch “let her run away”. i said before most kids are not all bad and not all good thats all.
id write more but i must sleep.

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June 27, 2008

Holly

ohmygod xxqsme70 I near spit my ice tea all over the screen reading your post thank you SO much for the laugh &amp the suggestion! Frankly reading some responses from them it’s as though they’ve not read a word written? I thought perhaps the issue was with vocabulary? I mean how many ways can I say “I do not approve of of death threats” and then to be told to “learn to read”? LOL I’ve truly been waiting for some theme music to start playing some where “do do do do do do do do” and for Rod Sterling to break in saying “you’ve just entered the twilight zone”…. Now I see I just wasn’t speaking the correct language? That would at least make some sense….. Once again thanks for the laugh that was the funniest thing I’d read all day.

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June 27, 2008

Holly

Electronica

what the hell??
You said on Jun 26, 2008 at 9:17 pm ……
kayla was mad at tori cause wen tori ran away from home weeks before and was drinkin at parties her parents called kayla and kayla told them and parents called cops on tori&hellip and tori said she&rsquoll beat kaylas ass. so thats what kids get doing what adults say is right.

I asked why the hell you were speaking of Kayla anyway. I mean she doesn’t exactly have a great reputation for telling the truth to start with i.e. her 1st statement to police. Then I asked you ”

” I did not hear ANY where about how Kayla told her parents about Tori drinking &amp they called the police? HUH? where on what tape did they say THAT?” And I questioned if you are one OF THEM knowing that?

Now you’re saying
“holly not sure what your asking about kayla. what she says about tori&rsquos parents calling her and then calling cops can be checked easy and im sure they did.”

You speak as though you *know them* &amp are hearing them speak, rather than just reading things in the paper or online.

When you say
“what she says about tori&rsquos parents calling her and then calling cops can be checked easy and im sure they did.”

It does not say this *anywhere* in the public records about her having told the cops this story of Victoria’s parents calling her &amp then them calling the cops. I imagine this could be correct &amp that you’re correct in that they’d be able to check this mean the “cops could check this easily” but for anyone here online we could not because it’s not part of public record. AGAIN this is why I asked if you are “one of them” perhaps Kayla herself?

You argue like a 14 yr. old and even though I’m typing rather than speaking to you I’m winded. And you’re correct that I have written novels here because you seem to have some kind of missing link when it comes to getting the point of what is being said to you. THEN on top of that you’ll be splitting hairs about particular words like me “caring” that they got death threats. Which I’ll say again if you slap someone you might want to expect the slap coming back at you. The point, parallel or MEANING in that is if these girls are going to be brutal attackers they should be *expecting* that people are going to react in kind to them! Do I think that it is correct to threaten them? No, I just think it’s logical for them to expect it or odd that they’re surprised that people have done so. And as horrible as threats are at least so far no one has followed through on a threat &amp physically hurt anyone unlike the girls themselves!

you just said
“holly what i mean is you knew people say theyll hurt or kill these girls but you didnt care you said over and over how bad they are but not on your own that its wrong to hurt them or kill them.”

This is delusional I never said that I don’t care they’ve gotten threats. And yes I admit I’ve said they’re bad and THEY ARE! People who beat the hell out of others and then go laughing about it are not what I would considered “good girls”. They ARE BAD. And further if 1 of those girls was mine they’d be BEGGING for them to lock them up as opposed to sending them home to me because I’d give living in hell new meaning for them…. they’d be home schooled alright and life as they knew it would just be no more.

However saying that these kids are bad and out of control doesn’t mean I “don’t care they’ve gotten threats”. In reality there are so many opportunities that are there’s for the taking right now it pisses me off that instead of taking advantage of those opportunities, they’re WASTING their lives and hurting other people! I DO CARE beause here they are now for what 2 months having been locked in their homes unable to leave because they have the emotional intelligence of a seven year old. They’ve missed out on the entire ending of their school year and all the fun that comes with it and for what? So they could go acting all tough and “gangsta like”? They should all be working away putting away money to help with MORE education and to get on their own some day. Education is the *only thing* you will ever get for free in your life and so instead of wasting it you should want to get as much as you can. Or I mean *them* but you too. You could start at the library getting some books you like &amp taking them to a pool or the beach. Rather than arguing with adults here defending these stupid girls you could be working on your reading and writing skills.

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June 27, 2008

Holly

John I have to admit some times when I look back at a post of my own I could cringe…. LOL And I think it’s a bit like text messaging in that writing text messages and online is a repetative lesson in poor grammer and spelling. When I’m online, I often forget there are people who actually have a command of the english language that are going to be reading what I’m writing who would actually SEE my errors. 🙂 And I won’t even touch my problems with run on sentences not to mention TYPOS….

As for the topic of Victoria I haven’t heard anything either. The last I’d heard from her was what was written in “People” magazine, where she’d said that her hearing was a lot better but not exactly correct. But I thought they’d said in that article that the fact there is improvement is a very good sign of her hearing returning to normal. Of course I’m sure it’ll be a long time for her nightmares to stop and I imagine with Brittini out of house arrest now she must be very afraid. I think that’s really just outragiously irresponsible to have let that one loose.

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June 28, 2008

Electronica

holly kayla now says she doesnt “approve” what happened to tori but when she was there she screamed at her in anger and that made it worse for tori. you now say you dont approve death threats but before you like screamed in anger at the 8 and that made it worse for them. thats what i mean. if theres a kid who done wrong and there may be a beating i say he did wrong but i also say a beatings not the answer. so i make sure i dont help the kid get beat.

and holly saying its “logical” for people to say theyll kill them thats crazy. the girls could expect toris sis and friends to want to beat them up yes its wrong but not crazy. but strangers saying theyll hurt them or kill them is crazy and saying its normal is crazy.

and holly i read alot. i dont write much but i write here and its not boring like writing something about something stupid just for a teach. and i dont care if people here insult me i know im right and i learn.

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June 30, 2008

tweedster

Electronica,

IT IS logical for people to want to hurt or kill the suspects. Does that mean we will do it? No. Could some crazy person? Yes.

These girls are ignorant. They wanted to be tough and embarass Tori. It backfired sweetie. They are being shown to the world what they really are: ignorant trash. Have you heard of Karma??

In looking back at all the posts on here, I’m beginning to believe you might be one of the girls involved. You know a lot of information that I cannot find anywhere. I’m pretty sure the Judge put in place a rule that none of the suspects could talk about the case. I’m also pretty sure that these posts can be traced to see who is writing from where. Be careful honey!

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June 30, 2008

M. Hutchence

hmmmmm. she got more than a concussion and a black eye E. She suffered hearing loss and loss of vision – which even if not permanent indicates mild brain damage. That is severe. She was also ambushed and held against her will, a really horrible situation, that i doubt you would like to be in.

I’m sorry to read that you have almost lost an eye, i assume this is from a beating? I’ve grown up in some pretty tough neighborhoods, (east LA and South Bay LA) but i hate to imagine where you live if this is at all acceptable. I suggest you do everything you can to get out of there.

And for the record, i do not want to see anyone who attacked Victoria get hurt or killed, just fixed.

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June 30, 2008

tweedster

Oh my word!!!! Has anyone seen the video of Cara Murphy talking to the press after her charges were dropped?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7gWiSh7p5A

Please watch this. It is unreal to me how she really has NO remorse. She was giggling and acting like this was no big deal. How were her charges dropped when she was holding the camera and making “ooh ahh” sounds during the beating? She WAS involved. She videotaped the whole thing. This is really really crazy to me!

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June 30, 2008

Holly

electronica? LOL I never “screamed at the 8” though I would have liked to. We tend to get what we give in life. It might be good for you to note that for remembering. If we’re beitchy &amp nasty rule of thumb is that’s what’s coming back at us &amp you should expect it or one shouldn’t be surprised when it does come back at us. “death threats” nothing more than people expressing their anger at the brutal beating they had to endure watching over &amp over &amp over on the news = perfectly normal. They didn’t act on it now did they? But perhaps those death threats gave the girls all reason to stop &amp THINK! Huge difference between this &amp bing in the center of a fight yelling “hit her, hit her” etc. And no it’s NOT “crazy” for strangers to express their anger at the brutality of these girls. It doesn’t have to be MY daughter, bestfriend or sister for me to imagine what I’d do if it WAS &amp for it to really piss me off. Watching a person get beaten while they’re practically begging for them to stop &amp let her out certainly moved me to anger &amp frankly I think not being able to understand that is a sign of a emotional problem that needs therapy!

Kayla saying she didn’t “approve” is a day late &amp a dollar short! There’s a HUGE difference between saying we “disapprove of something” verbally and actually acting that way. And while she’s “saying that” *if* she’s saying that her concern STILL isn’t really for Victoria but for *HERSELF*. In the newly released video of Kayla giving her interview to the prosecutor she mentions how her father asked her when they got home if she could have stopped it would she? &amp she’d said that she was “SO ANGRY when she got home because people were all saying they had no remorse”. See where her concern still was? Not on hearing that Victoria was still having night mares or for feeling horrible to have been a part of something so violent (after all she would have been watching the tape being broadcast over &amp over as people were saying those things) yet where was her *anger* &amp why? Because people had misjudged them/her? Not even a thought that Victoria HAD gone to the hospital &amp had lost vision &amp hearing &amp that she’d be missing the end of the school year while she was a senior?! Not a thought of that concern that she’d mentioned just her “anger at the media for saying they had no remorse”? I wonder where anyone got the idea they had no remorse? When we act/sound genuinely sorry people will start to hear you. I do believe that for Cara there IS remorse and that she just has had some trouble articulating that &amp really that is because her lawyer allowed her to speak for herself which I think was a mistake. I think her lawyer thought she’d be seen as more sincere having spoken for herself &amp the lawyer didn’t feed her the words because she didn’t want her to sound “rehearsed”, but I think this girl was illequipt to deal with the questions that she’d be facing &amp I think they should have at least clued her in on what she should say. Telling people her lessons was “be careful what you post on the internet etc. etc.” is not sincere remorse for what had happened to Victoria…. THAT is what people are waiting to sincerely hear. Cara did say she felt bad about all that had happened &amp some how I DO believe her. I believe it was an injustice to her to just leave her on her own in that interview &amp instead if they were going to let her speak on her own behalf they should have had her prepare a statement. Even with remorse that does not excuse us from our responsibilities or from the price we pay, but rather has us waiting willing to pay it! I Believe it was M. Hutchence sho’d said at one point he works with troubled kids and he felt that several of these kids are good canidates to turn things around in their lives &amp if I hadn’t said it at the time I would agree with him. There’s always a time to turn oneself around &amp Kayla is very young. The first step to turning things around IMO is just facing our responsibilities. In the words of Dr. Phil we cannot control anyone else’s actions but our own. I do not approve of death threats, though I cannot stop others from doing do. To argue them would be to just flame them. Better for me to just state the rational. I’ve made no bones about my thoughts &amp feels on this and yes at the start it was enfuriating enough to make a person want to be aggressive. That is *normal* &amp NATURAL! That’s why you keep hearing violence will breed violence….. We can’t just go beating the hell out of someone because they said or did something we don’t like. That is crazy, out of control &amp ummm criminal….

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June 30, 2008

Holly

that all said I want to start another reply to you in regards to your readin/writing. This is *not* an insult, but rather a “mom” doing what just comes natural to me when talking to a teenager who is communicating how she’s meeting her reading and writing skills. I’m sorry being a mom is a life long job &amp it’s a knee jerk reaction to talk to, counsel, &amp/or give direction to a kid when I am suspecting she’s someone receptive to it. And so you don’t even need to say “hey thanks for the advice” or “wow that’s a good idea” or you don’t have to address this AT ALL, but just consider some of these suggestions.

I am not a teacher in the classical sense or in the way you’d originally thought. I think there are a lot of preconceived notions that we all hear every day &amp one of the BIGGEST pieces of personal growth is for you to start questioning some that you have that may have been implanted just by your enviornment i.e. parents, siblings, friends etc. etc. For example not all “assignments” are going to be “boring” and some times just when we’re thinking “OHMYGOD this book is in like a different language” (or the old english) if we really just take some time and are “open to it” &amp take our time we may actually come out in the end thinking “wow that was actually pretty good”. The first book for me that this happened with was “The Scarlet Letter”. Once a person get’s past all the “big words” that are a challenge it’s a pretty darn good story! And by the end the “big words” aren’t hardly a challenge any more either…… This for me would not have ever happened if not for the assignment given by a teacher. Some times they’re actually trying to open a door for you &amp so don’t always hold onto the attitude they’re on “the other side” because there are MANY truly great ones out there who are on YOUR side &amp they are just scratching their heads trying to figure out how to reach you.

I don’t know what kinds of things you like to read and really that doesn’t matter as much as that you do keep reading. When you read a book that is a bit of a stretch for you you are expanding your vocabulary beyond your wildest dreams.

Regardless of where &amp who you’re writing for take pride in what you are doing. Rather than thinking of it as a chore for a “boring teacher” think of it as an artistic expression of you, what you think and who you are. Take my word for it that this is how people will see what you write no matter where you are &amp what you are writing. On top of that every time you write you are “practicing”. It’s the same as practicing anything like cheering or playing a musical instrument. Aside from the SAT’s there are SO many great careers that involve good writing skills. I know one woman that travels ALL over who writes for a travel magazine…. What fun is that? And it’s all because she’s like talented at her descriptive reviews of different places to stay, eateries &amp the like….. There’s novels to be written schreen plays, soap operas &amp the list goes on &amp on…. So many great careers to peek an interest. And yes writing can be work but it can certainly be worth it and any job is going to be work. Anything worth while is going to be work… Summer is here &amp there are libraries full of books &amp magazine, for free and you’ve a computer in front of you with all kinds of web sites that are a “guide to” doing different things like “how to start a career in …….” or if you have a favorite writter or someone who’s gotten to a celebrity place in a particular field thye’ll likely have a web page &amp so you can get as much from them as you can. For example – Emily Dickinson Here is a woman from a completely different time, but looking at her she was almost completely self taught, had a phobia that was limiting to her (her inability to go past the garden gate) And apparently she was a HUGE jpain in the butt to some editor of a magazine who she just decided one day was her mentor who she would correspond with. He had no clue of who she was &amp kept trying to counsel her to different things etc. That started with her submitting poems &amp short stories to his magazine &amp she’d hound him on what was wro ng with them etc. LOL bet he wished later he’d accepted a few huh?

Any area of interest you have there is a web site some where &amp/or jobs waiting for a writer to write them… I’ve a son who had been writting for a web site about Mixed Martial Arts for a while. And so if it’s horses you like, or dogs or fashion there’s a job in it some where. I couldn’t come up with all the places online &amp all the different areas of interest for such a thing. If you’ve got a blog that sounds good enough I imagine that is something that could be used as an example or your writing too. Start a blog related to your interests &amp then watch the jobs that are related to it. If it’s about a topic you like there’ll be nothing boring about it. And if it does nothing but improves your writing skills then yo’re getting yourself ready for the SAT’s and a million test they’re going to throw at you durning the next school year. What ever it helps in these are all opportunities that are right here for the taking. If you ARE Kayla I would recommend journaling. Well I’d recommend that even if you’re not Kayla but whatever. Regardless of what you’re saying that is or isn’t right later you’ll look back and you’ll be able to remember the feelings and *see your own growth*. I know a lot of people will blog online in a a journaling way but that opens it up to critics and IMO journaling is something I think is best kept for onself.

Ok I’ve said this all now and I know it’s basically unsolicited advice but you’d commented on what you’re doing &amp/or what you don’t like to do and I felt it was an opprotunity to give my opinion. Now I’m stepping down from this soap box.

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June 30, 2008

Holly

tweedster, yes I’ve seen the video of her. I think the things that Cara speaks of her being accused of that she didn’t do was the holding of the camera and saying those things. I thinkI’d heard from others on the youtube threads is that it was Brittnay Mayes that was actually holding the camera and the one making those comments. I can’t remember where or who I’d heard this from but it sounded as though this was something that was donwn with a bit of certainty. According to Cara she was at a friends house who was involved with the beating and I think one of the ones that was actually hitting. They’d called them over to Mercades house &amp (according to Cara) she went there with no clue of what was happening or what was going to happen. I think it’s that part that I have a real hard time believing though.

Have you seen the video of Kayla talking to the prosecutor? Or of Brittini Hardcastle when she’s sprung from house arrest? It’s a bit too much for me and I think extremely reckless. Victoria must be petrified.

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June 30, 2008

Electronica

tweedy i said before im not from down there dont even know anyone down there.

and i know a lot cause i look a lot. use google its your friend but if your stupid not even google can help.

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June 30, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch i read it was swelling not brain damage. they would say something about brain damage for sure. when i got a black eye i think i didnt see quite well for some time but im not sure maybe i only imagine that now. but im sure you get hit hard on your ear and you hear strange for a while i had that.

tori had it very bad i agree but they wouldnt charge the girls with just misdemeaner beating if it was brain damage. they hate the kids but they couldnt charge them more than misdemeaner beating so they charged them with kidnaping too so they can get life.

and my eye didnt get hurt (not that time) it only almost got hurt and i almost got killed. at least thats what they told me i was 8 but i think it was the truth cause i broke my head between my eye and my temple. i wasnt beat it was 2 boys fighting and i tried to stop it but one hit the other and he fell on me and i fell on the heater. i was in fights and got beat and got hurt but i got most hurt in other ways like by accidant when playing. and i once broke a boys head but i didnt want to and it was his fault too but im sorry to this day. im from a big city but not LA.

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June 30, 2008

Electronica

holly we will never agree. i dont agree it is so perfectly normal as you say to call a mom and say i will kill your child or thats perfectly normal to write a letter to kayla and say i will kill you when its all over. so now how long will kayla have to wait to know she will not be killed? how long after she gets out of jail? but no point to argue.

and my point with kayla was your like kayla. but i dont speak for kayla or cara and i dont read their minds so i cant say much about what you say about them exept that i dont judge so quick. we just hear parts of what they say anyway not all of it so its hard to judge.

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June 30, 2008

Electronica

and holly i said i read a lot and i do read a lot. i dont mind you givin advice im just saying i read and im not all stupid. i dont have good memory so i dont use big words here. i mean i know what they mean when i read them i just have to look them up when i write so i dont if tis not important and i write fast. and i can write normal but i like to write this way and its my way. but i read it and correct it now too so i think anyone can read it easy now. i dont get good grades but i can get hundreds on tests if i study. i just get bored and dont do hw either.

and i like poems and i red some dickinson but i didnt like her. but i like some old stuff even old old like blake. so im not all stupid. but i tried diaries like ten times i never go on its not me. but i like to write on forums when no one knows its me i mean people in school will not know its me and no one will make fun of me that i care about this or that or that i argue with grownups about this or that.

and im not kayla!!!

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July 1, 2008

Tweedster

Electronica, you do not need to prove anything about yourself to anyone on here. You sound young and can be a bit of a butthead sometimes, but you also seem mature at the same time. I think it’s great that you write on forums, it’s creative. You don’t capitalize or use correct punctuation all the time….seriously who cares….it’s a forum!

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July 1, 2008

Tweedster

Holly,

Thank you for the clarification regarding Cara.

I haven’t seen the videos of Kayla or Brittni, but I will look them up now.

Electronica, I’ll use google. I think I’m smart enough.

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July 1, 2008

john

Look at the last couple minutes of this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_gZZZHUAg. I thought this clip was released with Tori’s face blocked out? How did this guy get a version without it? I have to say, it makes it even worse now that you can see how surprised, frightened, hurt, and upset Tori is through her ordeal.

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July 3, 2008

LaLa

Who is Cara Murphy?

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July 14, 2008

Felicia

Fuck Cara Murphy and the rest of those fucking animals that beat that girl…and their parents too!!!! It is actually NOT surprising that the little animals act the way they do, especially after hearing what their parents had to say. I guess that’s what happens when you ahve sex with your siblings and produce animals. I hope the animals and their families and friends are all reading this!!!!

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July 28, 2008

Greg N

@holly

It’s important to remember to look for empathy towards the victim. If an individual thinks beating a defenseless person is only wrong because they might get caught, what this means is that if there were no laws against murder, they’d be murdering defenseless people left and right with no sense of right and wrong.

Cara may not be a violent person, but her friends are, and if Cara is not naturally good at moral reasoning, she needs to have a different set of friends who are good at moral reasoning and who she can go to for advice on what is right and wrong.

People like to assume that everyone has roughly the same ability of moral reasoning, but moral reasoning is a lot like doing math in your head.

Some people are more capable of moral reasoning than others, and I’d say the people beating this girl are morally retarded. Any friend you have who can beat on a defenseless person, is not a friend to anyone.

@Felicia, while you may call them animals, it does not automatically make them bad. Humans are all animals, and what seperates a good human from a bad human in the training. These girls had poor training from their parents, therefore society has to train them.

The best way to train any animal is through reward and punishment. Prison is the punishment we give. What are our rewards?

The reason this happens is because we don’t reward good behavior and we merely punish bad behavior. What if someone did stand up and protect Victoria? Nobody would have rewarded them, society might interview them from a day or two and then it would be all over.

Perhaps as a society we should set up a reward system for people who stand up to stop bullying.

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August 2, 2008

Felicia

Greg N….I completely agree with you…but wrong is still wrong…and as for a reward system for stopping bullying there is one it is called freedom. Also you should not do good things and expect rewards because that just makes them a job. A good deed is something you do from your heart with no anticipation of gaining anything. Lastly, I blame her church. She supposedly goes to church…what the hell are they teaching her?

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August 7, 2008

Greg

Felica being good is the hardest most difficult job for any human, so why not pay for it? It’s not like it’s easy to do the right thing.

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September 30, 2008

L

After watching the video of cara murphy I have to say I was a little disturbed…

On one note I will have to argue…some are saying that Cara said she was scared that she might be beaten if she stood up for Tori….In Cara’s own words she said she did not feel threatened or did not feel she would be beaten if she was to try and stick up for Tori?? To me that says she did not have any intentions of stoppin the assaults. In my opinion is just as guilty. Another concern is the lack of a heartfelt concern for Tori and only a sense of relief for herself leads me to believe Cara is still not soo concerned with Tori. Basically, she is saying Next time she will have to be more careful.

1 question…If there was some concern for Tori…why not leave the house when the plan was being made to attack Tori?? Even if they said they were only going to confront with words…It was stil 6 girls to 1. That by itself should have been enough to say “I’m outta here…I want no part of this….it does not concern me” But yet she decided to stick around for a ass kickin.

I was once 16 and do know the loyalties of friendship…however, if a group of my peers were to attack 1 person…I would have thought of them as cowards and stood up for the 1 person…friend or not. Fortunately for me I didn’t have those types of friends.

So before anyone starts attacking my thoughts…know that I have based my opinions solely on the attack footage and cara’s interview and her words.

And these are my opinions.

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October 16, 2008

b.

cara you’re a dickweed so are all of your other friends involved. you and the other two guys deserve to be in jail. bitch!

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October 27, 2008

M. Hutchence

no doubt- especially the two guys, well they’re not guys really, but rather shitheads who will never be real men. I can’t believe they got off. They fully had to know something really horrible was going on-
hopefully they’ll get a good dose of carma. I really hope the others do some serious time. they need to be away from society for a good… long… time.

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July 22, 2009

R.J.G

i am sorry for the victim. as for her attackers……….. and the ones who filmed are cowards. if the girl who lured the little girl over was truly any friend at all to her she would have helped her. There is way to much violence in the younger generation these days. but to watch this video i wonder if these girls realise just how badly they looked and as for the girl who says “she guesses she is sorry” she is just as big as coward as they were. and one more thing were was the parents?

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June 13, 2011

mitch

It disgusts me that someone can take part in something this heinous. I feel sorry for the attackers, they must be really fucked up in the head to not feel bad about this. If i ever see one of these boys who participated in this i will not hesitate to return the favor.

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June 27, 2023

Trevor

Well did Miss Cara finally learn her lesson? Is FOC still friends with her?
And is J still in Bannsville? ENQUIRING MINDS want to know 😆

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