Hillsborough County man met girls on MySpace in order to have sex:
Mr. Clean, over there, is 37-year-old Edward Oberwise of Hillsborough County, Florida. He’s been arrested for allegedly having sex with a 12-year-old girl he met on MySpace.
Police were tipped off by the girl’s 14-year-old friend, who told her parents.
So let’s hear it, sex offender defenders. Please tell me how you think that this man who was 25 years older than his victim was not at fault.
Public castration of sex offenders, especially pedophiles, is a good idea. Agreed? Good.
Thank you for your blog. I am a very close relative of the 12 year old victim in this case. Do we have any recourse against MySpace? Are they allowed to be a supermarket for predators like this?
Ever think this guy has a family maybe kids how do you think they feel
G,
Ask they guy how his family feels. Im sure he’s touched them and could describe them well.
Brian B,
Any legal recourse may be an uphill battle. You would have to find that MySpace was to blame.
One way to do that would be to prove that adequate age verification software exists and MySpace negligently refused to implement the software.
Remember, MySpace did not fail the girl by allowing a perv to contact her. They failed her by allowing her on MySpace because she is too young.
Well smarty I am a family friend ans can garantee you from person knowledge that he never touch his kids in any way
G,
You can’t guarantee any such thing. One thing I can guarantee, however, is if he is convicted of raping little kids, he will never again touch or even hug his own children until they are adults. If they still want anything to do with his child-touching ass.
Another example of a bad guy vs. child(ren) of bad parenting. 5 people need to be put in jail.
Trench, did you see his T-shirt? http://tinyurl.com/29r7ca
OK so tell me when these girls were allegely having sex – I have not seen the word rape used anywhere so we will go with this, where were there parents?? As a parent I monitor my kids activities and my daughters myspace account.
Belch, I saw that after I posted this.
Just to say I am not condoning what he has done in any way, but I have know him for almost 20 yrs and am in aw over this. This is something I would never have expected from him ever!!!!
G,
You are right to correct me. It wasn’t rape. Just 10 separate counts of lewd and lascivious battery of a minor. Ten Class 2 felonies.
And he’s in jail without bond. http://tinyurl.com/36qzxe
Listen I am not trying to be some kind of smart butt, but there are 3 families and lots of emotions involved in what has taken place. Like I said I do not condone what has happened, but when you have a case like this it is best to watch how things are said.
Well, “lewd and lascivious battery” is Florida’s fancy way of saying “statutory rape.”
I have known him since I was 7. I lived directly across the street from him until we moved out of our parents homes. I cant say that I would have expected something like this. Leaving my personal relationship with him aside, I feel all these pricks need to be dealt with harshly, however I will say that this type of crime is on the rise, and I feel that the parents of the victim should also be held somewhat acountable as well, if you don’t know what your minor children are doing on the web you need to!!
This type of crime may be on the rise because of convenience. This is not a new crime. Older men have always preyed on young girls. And, I am sure women have preyed on younger men, as well. The internet just makes it easier, for men anyway. Global connections, right?
This guy definitely deserves prison time. The young girls need services – as do the families involved.
Children on the computer at any age should be closely monitored – but it doesn’t stop there. We must know where our kids are and what they are doing, check up on them. Teenagers are a lot of hard work. You can’t plunk a kid down in front of the PC like you can the TV.
As for offenders, it has been proven that castration does not work. We need to change our thinking, because none of the so called solutions we have come up with have worked. Prevention and education and prison terms that last a life time for hard core offenders, and pedophiles may be a good start. They should not be placed in civil confinement ‘hotels’ at taxpayers cost. Let them go to Prison.
It is good that myspace is cooperating.
The thing that always gets me, is why these guys continue to do this, even tho’ they must see the news reports and programs, or the newspaper and see what happens to someone who preys on young girls on the internet. Do they not recognize themselves? Do they not realize what they are doing?
I’m all for parental responsibility. However, this adult man contacted, “wooed” and met this 12 year old girl. He then proceeded to place his penis inside of her. A very DELIBERATE act on his part. So let’s keep the blame where it belongs. Just because it was convenient doesn’t make it any less illegal.
And for those of you who can’t believe he did this, you may want to sit back and think a minute. He was caught going back for seconds – wearing the most ironic T shirt by the way.
G,
So this is a friend of yours? A 37 year old trolling for 12 year olds on MySpace? Who lasciviously sexually battered a 12 year old and a 14 year old TEN TIMES?
Parents can only do so much, but Ed will pay for his reprehensible acts, you Seminole redneck pervert lover… I hope he gets ahold of your kids someday and does the same thing.
G,
This is a 37 year old who lives with his mommy. If you are his friend, please pass along to him that things are much safer for him on the inside, there are a host of people just waiting to pay eddie the perv a visit. Maybe you can tag along with him. For his sake, he’d better not make bond.
Listen Brian just cause I am a friend does not mean that I condone what he did. Do not bash me for being a friend my only concern is for his kids that he has. If you want to bash go bash a wall. Even pervs have friend, but this one had no idea that this would ever happen!!!!!!! some times you just do not know!!!!!
As for being a redneck, I do not even live in the same county hello just cause people are friends does not mean you need to be name calling. There are people everywhere, and some times you would never suspect them of acting this was. Maybe he can come get your kids, does that make it right for you to say he should come after mine. Grow up!!!!!
Next time before you leave a comment read my prior ones that say may may may times I DO NOT CONDONE WHAT HE HAS DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The guy is a criminal and needs to be locked up. Also it’s called ‘sex addiction’ to those who keep asking the usual ‘I don’t understand why someone would do that’ question.
Now, he had to have been with the two for a few hours in order to so what he did. What responsible parent lets their child(ren) slip away for that long? Again, I say lock up the fucking parents as well simply for HAVING GIVEN BIRTH for the wrong reasons!!
Well to all you out there I am a close personal friend of this guy and I would never have beleived him to do this. I have seen him with his own kids and he is a great father. I know that he never touched them in any way sexually. My question is why the girls parents are not monitoring them did they look or say they were older then they appeared to be, now adays I have seen girls that are 12 & 14 and they do not dress act or look their ages, so who lured who??? I think the parents are just as much at fault for their kids actions and behaviors. This happens all the time, so now its a big case. Grow up world. I dod not condone having sex with under age girls, but it takes two to tango.
I agree lock up the parents!!!!!!!!! When you have kids and do not monitor them this is what happens. There are crazy people in the world as we can see. Lock them all away. PARENTS GET WITH THE PROGRAM WATCH YOUR KIDS ACTIVITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah Jen, you are a cupid stunt.
It does not “take two to tango” when there are children involved. And it does not happen “all the time” and regardless if the child was a certified prostitute with double D’s, its still the adult’s fault.
That’s why kids don’t enter into contracts, vote or allowed to smoke or drink. They are considered too young to make good decisions on their own. Adults are supposed to make good decisions, such as not giving the slippy finger to a little kid.
If you are a close friend of this douchebag along with G, I am beginning to see now why he makes such awful decisions. No one around him has ever given him an ounce of good advice.
As for his kids, is there a Mom around? Or are they wards of the state now?
Thanks for that great comment but at 12 & 14 they knew darn well what they were doing sex is everywhere. And yes there is a mother around who is very smart and keeping them away from all this drama. Just cause I am a friend does not mean I agree with what was done but you do not wait for days to tell someone if it was as bad as it is being portrayed. At 12 & 14 they knew exactly what they were doing, and where were the parents during all of this, they should be to blame as well as the perv.
Sounds like this topic never has a solution because of the major flaw in the belief system of many. You cannot seem to get away from “popular” thinking which should not be valid. Let us not forget that America and many other nations are led by religion and politics and that alone creates a blind spot for most people. It prevents them from seeing “real” humanity and the instincts of man. 12 year olds “typically” had sex generations ago. It was very common and it still is in some parts of the world. The problem isn’t 12 year olds having sex. It’s the “perception” of those who complain. Many of these incidents are healthy situations that are deemed “bad” by the condemners. Only those that are bad are the ones having children raised by idiots. But then again those same children are out doing drugs if not having sex. You cannot change the route a 12 year old takes no matter how much you dictate. The world will never change the fact that 12 year olds have sex with 37 year olds. It isn’t a crime. It’s a taboo. And because of Chrisitianity and other hypocrisies, taboos are deemed immoral. Oh, And i should mention that I married a 17 year old girl when I was 30 and fourteen years later we are still happily married with two children. I guess the shock value wore off the local citizens since they have nothing better to do than look for negatives in people. HYPOCRITS EVERYWHERE.
cowboy and jen,
So ed has kids? And he does this?
The parents had to listen as he spoke graphically with the 12 year old about all that they did, what they were going to do, etc. They had to sit there during the sting operation and listen to this gutless, child-raping creep.
This is a 12 year old child. And ed used his mother’s Jeep because ed doesn’t have a car. Ed’s in a world of trouble. He has a host of new friends who want to meet him, if/when he ever gets out. He messed with the wrong people’s daughters.
The parents monitored the MySpace and cell phones regularly and discovered it, and reported it. Way to blame the 12 year old victim, you lowlife losers…
Ed will never know from which side it is coming…
I find it fascinating that people are actually coming out and defending this guy. It takes two to tango? Are you serious?
First of all, the girl is 12. Let’s go out on a limb here and say she’s a 12 year old with “loose morals” and did, in fact, lure Mr. Ed into a sexual relationship. The blame still lies on Ed. The 12 year old is too young to know….why the hell am I explaining this?
Fact of the matter: Girl 12, Man 37 with children of his own. He knows right from wrong, and he chose wrong. Now he’s going to pay for his sins regardess of wht the “Pedophile Fan Club” has to say.
Rob
What could be more sickening than these “people” defending ed.
Ed smooth-talked the girls into coming up to the park at midnight. There he got them in his Jeep and employed child-proof locks.
All of his actions are recorded digitally, he was only too happy to go over the whole episode with the 12 year old.
AND by the way, ed was taken down when he was COMING BACK FOR SECONDS.
I just hope his “friends” are there if ed ever gets out because they can become part of the conversation that ed and his friends are going to have with his host of new friends.
JJ,
You are a total creep and should be locked up next to ed. I wonder how it will be for you if a 37 year old man snuggles with your 12 year old son or daughter…
Any parent that has a child under the age of consent, that is wooed and abused, is at fault as well.
This sick individual takes the major blame, but we are all to blame here. There is plenty of guilt to go around. Look at the news, look at what we teach our children.
We are reaping what we have sowed.
Laurie,
The parents of the 12 year old monitored her computer and cell phone. They found out the day after. That night she was contacted by Ed on MySpace and the girls broke out a window in the house after midnight.
How much can parents do? Yes, there is some parental culpability but don’t forget that the child-rapist is ed. He lured the girls to the park, drove from Pinellas county after midnight, and then he was coming back for seconds.
Death is too good for ed. He needs to feel the pain that he inflicted on these families ten times over. He’ll get his…
I hear what you are saying Sparky – and I agree to a certain point. If there were no victims and no offenders, there would be no crime.
If the computer and cell phone were monitored, how did this particular incident happen? I have a daughter who is now 24 years old. She hated me for a few years, until she became an adult and understood why her father or myself had to tag along when she went out to concerts or other events. She now understands why she couldn’t go to many of the parties her friends had. It was tough. Parents need to be proactive. I am not blaming the victim, just stating the fact that we parents need to do more. There will always be victims and there will always be offenders. Treatment is so important and I hope these girls are getting the treatment they will need to heal so this does not become their future. They could pass on their knowledge to other kids.
I have known Ed since I was 13 years old and I am now 32. To all his friends who say nah not Ed, yes he is a pervert and always has been. I had a childhood inapproriate relationship with him on and off for over a year when I was 13 years old and I caught him with girls younger than me, he was an ADULT. Now that I am 32 and see this it makes me sick to my stomach. He needs to be locked away. He has been sick all along. I feel for these poor girls, something is missing in their home life in order for this to be happening to them. Believe me I know.
Michele,
That would have made him 17 when you were 13. And he continues to go after the girls that are even younger than you were…
Thanks for your honesty, I hope you are okay.
Michele,
I know the detectives are looking for additional victims. Even though you are 32 now, this crime has no statute of limitations in case you, or if you know any of the other victims, would come forward.
It would make sure that he is not able to do this to anyone else for a long, long time. He needs to be in jail where he can’t hunt and hurt any other little girls. Please let me know if you are willing and I will give you contact information.
Thank you, I have the contact info actually. I thought there was a stature of limitations on this?
Dan you are correct in so many ways, let me explain some details of my story. When I was 11 my mom died, I had a horrible father who remarried the horrible step mother when I was 13. Dad was with the new wife never gave me a penny for school lunches, clothing etc. Ed graduated highschool with my brother and hung out with him and worked with him too. Ed filled the part I was missing, he actually took care of me finanically and in a lot of ways emotionally because he told me he “loved” me. It took me years to get over this actually, he manipulated me big time, not going to lie seeing this in the news stirred up feelings inside, but I am thankful for who I am today as I am able to overcome it.
Oh, JJ, the argument that other cultures and times encouraged sex with kids is a poor one. Some cutures encourage incest. All sorts of primative behavior comes out of primative cultures. In this country and others, we’ve had the resources to investigate how sex impacts kids. Now we know for a fact that it is a crime against humanity.
And Laurie said that castration is not a cure. She’s right, and therapy is crucial. People need understanding to change. But I don’t think castration should be such a taboo. It does help these men greatly, depending on their situation. Sex isn’t everything. Humanity is much more important. Perhaps, coupled with therapy, castration should be an acceptible, respectible option. Everyone needs hope. Hopelessness can diminish empathy, something sex offenders badly need to cultivate.
Sex drive is a tremendous force. Hard to resist. We often put serious offenders back on the street with no tools. An amputated libido, while it doesn’t remove all thoughts and feelings, can be a great tool.
And as for it not being optional, sometimes when someone has a pathology and can’t control themselves, we step in. Drunk drivers get their licenses yanked. It is viewed as compassionate to give addicts compulsory treatment. Pedophiles with conscience do not want to offend but they often report feeling helpless. We should step in.
I can’t help but feel that we still don’t comprehend the damage rape does. In children it often results in lifelong debilitation. It takes a facet of personaltiy that can never be returned. Seems like sentences for sex offenders are still based in the old idea that rape is just some bad sex instead of torture, assault, and a whole assortment of violations. If our society understood the violence this is to a child, the harm it does them, I don’t think we’d balk so at castration.
You can’t live here and interact sexually with kids. If you intend to remain here, we need to be sure kids are free of adult sexual interactions with you. That’s our right. We make our rules.
Thanks Michele. I’m sorry for what you went through. I’m so happy to hear you have healed and grown beyond it.
Thank you Dan, I too have the same beliefs as you. It is good to see that someone makes some sense in here.
Hey, some other discussion called me a bleeding heart something or other. Yay! I make sense to someone.
Our outrage alone is not enough. Clearly such abuse of childhood strikes a primal chord in most of us. But when we deny any humanity in predators, insist on seeing them as evil, we inhibit our ability to see them as people who need treatment. We’re not going to execute them upon conviction. We’re not going to permit the castration, mutilation or prison rape we often fantasize for them. So what are we going to do? If we tell them they are irredeemable monsters, chances are that’s what they’ll become. If they’re going to be among us eventually, among our children, their treatment needs serious consideration.
We all know and accept that prison is punishment and not rehabilitation for a car thief. He’ll probably steal again when he’s out and we’re ok taking those chances. Murder we impose long sentences because we’re not willing to take those chances. What chances are we willing to take with sex offenders? We know they reoffend.
I bet you children are one of the few things most of us might be willing to agree on calling “sacred.” So why are we taking these chances, putting active sex offenders, untreated and poorly monitored, among them?
I think that is why I decided to speak out. I actually do not consider myself a victim in all of this because I refuse to want pity in all of this. I think the reason I thought it was approriate to speak out is to educate. You would never guess what I do for a living and what my degree is held in and I won’t devuldge that information however, I am proud to say that I give back to society and believe that “locking them up forever” won’t be a cure for them when release time comes. It is time to focus on education and treatment rather than what we current have. We must focus on these things simply because our laws do not give life sentences on such offenses, hence Debra Lafave, the Hyde Park rapist etc. It is time for a change and someone must take a stance to do something. Time to wake up people, they are among us and always will be, there is no island created to house them. These classified individuals are the only ones with their own web site, what about the web site for COVICTED murderers that have been released, domestic violent offenders, kidnappers, armed robbers, wow I could go on and on. Nothing will change until we change as a society.
One night and one communication slipped through the cracks. It was discovered the next day.
ED HAS A BAIL HEARING TOMORROW! I HOPE HE MAKES BAIL, OH I HOPE HE MAKES BAIL!!!
No he was 18 actually, He was born in 1970 and I was born in 1975. I am very okay today. I had horrible parents and leaned on Ed when I was younger, he is such a piece of work I’ll tell you that much.
Michele,
Wow, cool to hear from you. How much older was he when you were 13? Want to share your feelings on why you engaged in this relationship with him? It might help inform our ideas about kids and their sexuality.
I notice age 12 gets a lot stronger reaction that age 14. Interesting. There’s really not much difference.
The main problem is the newfound support and access for pedophiles. Kids are varying degrees of crazy: confused, high-strung, overly emotional, bad decision-makers. We can hold them responsible to the degree they can grow, but it’s never their fault. Even good parents can be tricked and deceived when an adult is aiding the covert operations. It’s definitely the offenders who are the problem here.
Not only is the access horrifying, these guys get all sorts of validation. Pedophiles see this conversation, we know they do. What they see is our justifiably violent revulsion, though it is not very informative, and a few self-serving justifications like JJs. They have all sorts of access to people who fill them with crap about kids being into sexual activities with adults.
Kids have to be manipulated to comply with sex from adults. They are almost completely vulnerable to adults. They are not fully formed people who know what’s right or how life works. Kids are always hurt by sexual contact with adults. It always negatively impacts them. Some get beyond it for the most part. Others are badly damaged. Sexual attention from adults always makes kids feel icky and dirty. That is the truth of the matter. Though there are degrees in all things, I have never heard of a child reporting otherwise.
Not all pedophiles are without conscience. Some never act on their impulses. What we do not need is purposeful lies deceptively justify outrageously damaging acts. If you are attracted to children, you are not necessarily a bad person. You need help. Get help right away. Medical facilities can refer you to free counseling. You can not be arrested for feelings. Be strong. Prove you’re a good, loving person.
Michele,
I do not believe there is a statute of limitations. Ed made bond today, the judge is apparently not taking this seriously.
Even if the statute has tolled, Ed is apparently lying about everything, saying this did not happen and nothing similar ever happened before. Detective Raschke needs to speak with you on the phone, please, please call him at 813-247-0450.
I think it’s sad that all we’ve got right now is this crappy system, but it is all we have to work with. As much as I want to see Ed treated, I want to be sure he never gives in to his urges for pubescent girls again, no matter how that’s achieved. One guy can damage a lot of girls.
Michele, we’re so lucky you showed up on this blog. Will you tell us when you’ve talked to Det Rasche? Damn, I keep thinking how lucky those girls and others are that you’re out there.
Michele,
Thank you so much for your information.
I made the phone call today and needless to say I do believe I will be able to assist in this. I am glad I am of sound mind and that this didn’t “screw me up”. I am a fighter and will fight for children rights, something was taken from me as a child and I don’t want it to happen again.
oh I did confirm there is a statue of limitations on this crime.
Michele,
Thanks so much again! Yes, there is a statute but the detective said you will be of great help in showing a pattern of behavior in this monster.
Michele, I appreciate your comments here but I just want to recommend to you be careful in what you post here. I wouldn’t want something you post here either to be used against you or hinder the investigation in someway.
ANY inkling of an implication that this was in ANY way the children’s fault nauseates me beyond belief. We are talking about a 37 year old MAN and children!!! If your four year old wants a beer, do you give it to them and then say it was his own fault because he asked for it? Come on people! Let’s get back to holding perpetrators accountable instead of blaming the victims. My heart goes out to the families of those two girls. Hopefully they will get the help they need to heal and move on with their lives.
Stacey – I don’t think anyone here said that this was the child’s fault. The bigger picture for me is that parents need to do more!!!!
WE are responsible for our children. If something does happen to them, we share the accountability. We are not all powerful, however, and sometimes things happen in the best of homes. Why is it always a matter of blame and guilt?
Is it that the database and all the laws that have been passed on reporting and warning us of pedophiles and offenders, gives us a sense of false security?
Have we talked with our children about sexuality, relationships and other subjects?
Do we know our kids close friends, and their parents?
Most sex offenders are right under our noses.
Sparky – you said that this particular night’s communication ‘slipped through the crack’. I do not understand how these things happen I guess – because it would seem to me a young girl would need a few conversations before she would go meet someone. I am just trying to understand how this happens, so we as parents can arm ourselves.
The only way we can learn how to keep our children safe is by understanding how it happens. It is never a childs fault when an adult takes advantage of them. Why do we need to always defend a child in this situation? That, to me is a given. We do need to look at all the circumstances, which includes how it happened, the offender, and possible impacts in the community.
well
I look at this as twisted. Media I am sure is playing this in there corner. What about this girl michelle. She was 13 he was 18. Is she trying to make the news too. She is probably fat, barefoot , 6 kids and ugly. The most excitement of her life. When they asked for people to come forward that is not the people they are looking for. What is this thing with the 12 yr old talking or texting in place of this foreign exchange student. Does she live with her. I got bits and pieces just have to put together. I have to agree these parents are messed up. I like looking into these kind of cases and getting the facts. He has no felonys bad driving record which you cant hold on him and property coming out of his ass. Business partners in some local businesses and does not fit a rapist. I think you better get with the state attn office and get to the bottom of this. I think they went to the paper and news to help the case look better. Some statements were public. He was over a friends house and this 12 yr old had conversations with a 15 yr old brother. And what about this penis the det found on the 12 yr olds phone. Nice checking up on that mom. Leave it to the dect. Some middle school kids penis. Does his parents know. Lets wait for that on the news. I havent looked up the girls names or what school they go to and it doesnt matter anyways. Alot of people that have kids shouldnt have. And does a 12 yr old actually know what givin head is. Does the parents keep dirty mags around or what. This is a case that really stuck me. I like looking at the bad guy and adding comments in favor for the parents. But this one is very odd .
Maybe I am confused. But the judge did throw away 8 counts out of the 10. That is why he made bond. This normally does not happen. They stay for a long time in jail. I am not on either side just being neutral on the whole thing. I run a invest company and I made it past this guys mommies house. I really did not see no jeep, but a new Jag XKR conv. I give up. If this guy is all you said does pet drive nicer cars than doctors and lawyers. Was his girlfriend at the bond hearing. His lawyer it looked like he was very well well dressed. His girlfriend look the same. I am sure some of these parents were there. You want to give me some insight.
If this was something worth following on the news ” my god it would be there”. I almost always follow the parents and victims on these things givin advice on many web sights. I enjoy helping people. This was a one time thing than vanished. Lets keep the smoke screen down and stay focus on your kids. If this does go to court I see it being a jury. And the sad thing is the kids are going to be in worse shape than before. Parents often don’t look at the big picture and it is ashame they look up to there moms and dads at times when it really needs to count. Good luck!!!
Yeah I am a little skepical on this too. I been sitting back reading stuff here and there. And hey J what is wrong with having a penis on your phone at 12. My kids got one. I followed some of your web advice for about a year. What company are you head of.
Yeah I am a little skepical on this too. I been sitting back reading stuff here and there. And hey J what is wrong with having a penis on your phone at 12. My kids got one. I followed some of your web advice for about a year. What company are you head of.
I felt that I needed to comment to set the story straight. I came forward not for media, that would be ridiculous. I am not fat nor ugly nor do I have 6 children. I actually have a wonderful life, and I am highly educated. Why did I come forward because this sets the stage of this mans character, this shows that he has always been like this. Please Jay give it up, you got issues.
I sure hope this is not the same Michele that has a brother name Joey. That used to hang out with my sisters and stir up all kinds of shit. 20 years ago. You got issues. Not only with the Ed thing saying to get attention that you had his kid and that he spent the night 20 years ago when he was on the couch with me and my family that night you said. But all the shit you talked about my family inbetween my sisters. If I was your family I would leave too. And besides, me and my wife saw you in Sweetbay playing in the bread isle about 4 months ago. You still look like you were run over by a truck. My family showed me this web site and we talked about not Ed but the shit u stirred up.I don’t know what happen but I do remember the shit you talked. I wanted to call you a name so bad but my wife was with me. I think when you or if you go to court, I will let the judge know what kind of person you are. I can give a shit about the case. This is pay back from 20 years ago and my god I hope its on TV.
And by the way Jay she had 3 kids with her. Yes she is fat and yes she got hit by a truck. Maybe a couple of them.
Hey Jay,
If u look at web sites here and there, On one of the sites a girl that goes to school with this 12 year old has a old profile saying she was 18 or 19 can’t remember and it reads fuck, shit ya bitches , than gives a phone number. Was it this girls profile linked to this case or this special friend student she lives with. It said her name was Olivia. Any ideas? Is it linked. Ya you hit the nail on the head on this one girl. This guy Red acts like this girl killed his dog. Looks like 1 down for the defense. Also can you tell me how you can research somebody and see what they own or what kind of businesses they are linked too. Esp when a title search does not reveal anything. Thanks J
Hey Jay,
If u look at web sites here and there, On one of the sites a girl that goes to school with this 12 year old has a old profile saying she was 18 or 19 can’t remember and it reads fuck, shit ya bitches , than gives a phone number. Was it this girls profile linked to this case or this special friend student she lives with. It said her name was Olivia. Any ideas? Is it linked. Ya you hit the nail on the head on this one girl. This guy Red acts like this girl killed his dog. Looks like 1 down for the defense. Also can you tell me how you can research somebody and see what they own or what kind of businesses they are linked too. Esp when a title search does not reveal anything. Thanks J
Mike ,
I believe it is linked to this. That was not a profile I would ever think a 12 yr old would write with her personel number on it. Thats why I can’t be all out for the kids in this. If it was a cut and dry case like most are, I would probably help anyway and for free through my company. The sad part is the parents not monitoring anything that they said they were. My kid would have broken legs if it was mine. One thing for the defense is that they have to say there was a motive for young children. A profile like what I saw in the blog with the girls personel E mail and number and date posted on myspace is a little much. I am sure this other characters attn is all over this. As for business and properties most people that are building that special nest egg put properties in trusts and other things. Given you one example say you get into a car accident someone gets killed. Ok you have a 10 20 10 policy. 2 years later the people of this person that you killed on accident come after you. Well if u don’t have anything oh well. If there is a title search it will reveal nothing. Having something in trust is like being a string master on a puppet. Unless you know addresses or other people close to the person that might be in control , You can look them up that way. But it is very hard. There names just don’t pop up. People are not dum, there is alot to learn.
Red,
It sounds like this girl is a winner. I been doing this for a long time and can sort these kind of people from anywere. Sounds like this girl was laying down at he truck stop. That bad huh? Have a good day , I got tons of cases to sort.
Hey Jay,
I had a friend that works for the courts, from what he said was the Judge wanted to keep this guy and in the middle of the courtroom asked the state attn if he could keep him. The state attn said no. It sounds like this case took on water from the start. Wasn’t there. Just going off what my friend said by the court reporter. So back to this guy on this site about the judge not taking this serious. He did. The state attn even said you can’t keep him. A rape kit come back in 48 hours, what happen.
I guess I picked the wrong alias to use. I have no children Red. I have no clue who you are.
I will not be in court by the way, I have nothing to do with this case.
What this case is all about will not be known until the end of the trial, if there is a trial. Even then, will we ever really know the truth?
How many other girls and young women have been abused by this guy. By his age, and judging by the age he started, he will never stop this behavior without some serious treatment.
Does anyone know what happened as far as specific charges are concerned?
Prevention is so important….
Parents need to keep computers visible – in the same room – and check the history to see what websites have been visited. Also, check email accounts. I know there is software that you can get that will record what is said in IM’s and Chat Rooms.
Computers are not private machines unless they are off line. And, if you ever go online, someone- a stranger – can access where you have gone and what you have written or said. It is available or stored somewhere.
This young woman will suffer years of trauma because of this experience. It is setting her up unless she gets help. I hope to god someone is there for her.
Not every 12 year old has a penis on their phone. If they do, the phone should not be used by that 12 year old. You the parent are responsible if your child has this type of stuff on their phone. You are setting up your own child. Do something about it now. Maybe a sensitivity course would be good? Sexual Harassment?
This is not teaching a child about their body parts and sexuality in a healthy, respectful or age appropriate manner. That is why we have so many sexual abusers. Talk to your son.
Are there programs offered in the schools?
And, even if Michelle is the ‘Michelle’ what difference does it make how many children she has or what she looks like? That has nothing to do with someone’s credibility and trauma or abuse they may have suffered at the hands of this abuser.
And I can imagine the kind of shit that would be stirred up if abuse was disclosed. Usually, it is a family secret.
An adult has no business having sex with a child. It is very UNFAIR – to name a few reasons why.
red, mike and jay,
So you are buddies of the child-rapist? Which of you is his friend from gib-town?
Fret not, the case against ed is very strong. He will go away for a long, long time. I hope you get caught hanging with him when the chit goes down on him.
If the 14 year old said she was 18 on her site, ed’s first tip should have been her braces and under-developed body. ed knew exactly what he was doing, and he came back for more.
You turds are just enablers of ed. We’ll see if we can’t find out who your “friend” is at the court and see if they can be fired for releasing info about a minor victim in a sexual assault case.
In the meantime, stop trolling the elementary schools for chicks you losers.
“Red” was a buddy of his Ed sued him back in 2006.
“Red” was a buddy of his Ed sued him back in 2006 found it right in the Pinellas County Clerk of Courts Web Site.
Geesh look what this has turned into. Thank you for the comments Laurie and Sparky, Lisa I looked up the records and yep you are correct. There is so much more I could post here, but that would be wrong of me to do, so I will let it be.
Clearly this age difference riles everybody up. I think some people riled up by this elsewhere defended a 21 year old who met a 14 year old online, got her to meet him behind a fire station, and took pictures of her having sex.
People here are also pointing out the 12 and 14 year olds’ shared blame with their enticing ways.
There are plenty of curious subtleties, but the bottom line is kids make very bad decisions. It’s their job in their early teens. Some teens have very bad examples, and kids are highly dependant on role models. They are vulnerable. We protect the vulnerable.
Kids cannot hold their own against adults. They are too confused, high strung, emotional, and a little nuts. Ask a 19 year old how they feel about how they were at 14 or 15. Most will tell you they were flat out crazy.
parents have a hard enough time monitoring and protecting these kids who are in the midst of tumultuous emotions and confusion. Good parents can miss something when an adult predator is involved, coaxing and interpretting partial truths for the kid. Many kids are pretty helpless to this. Adults are hobbbled when another adult is secretly working behind the scenes.
We can keep looking at the responsibility of parents and kids, because often their behavior is not ideal, but the odds are tough when an adult predator is involved. Predators work very hard to get get what they want. Sex is a crazy-maker too. They need to be dealt with harshly. Children are not sexual objects.
Ours laws often seem to reflect an old attitude about rape that sexual violation is not such a big deal. “It’s just sex, they’ll have it anyway.” We also used to think that a child manipulated and coaxed (so easy!) could consent. Old ideas. Clearly the majority of us are utterly outraged by the violation of a child. Our laws and penalties need to reflect our evolving understanding of the violence of coercing a child into sexual behavior.
There is clearly a difference between a 21 year old who has sex with a 14 year old from the same town, (an immature 21 year old), and a 37 year old who has sex with a 12 year old and a 14 year old from another town.
Granted, both men manipulated and took advantage of a young girl. The question still holds for the 37 year old – where did he learn this type of behavior and what the sexual norms are for our society? What was he taught?
This is not to say I am defending what he did – I don’t – I am asking questions to find out how this happened to begin with.
I also said the young girl will desperately need treatment. I never said or implied it was the young girls fault – I said she was probably a sexualized child. And that her parents need to watch over her.
These are two entirely different cases. That is what is wrong with the way we view sexual abuse – we lump all offenders and sex crimes together, when there are different reasons why offenders abuse. We do not recognize abusers because we have these visions in our heads about what they look like and who they are.
We need to focus on that as well as punishment. Most abusers live with their victims.
What does the same town or not have to do with it?
How about 21 and 12?
What if the 12 year old was mature and sexually expressive, physically developed. Still a youthful misstep?
Treatment takes into account all sorts of variables, all the shades of grey: history, intent, consciousness, empathy, remorse….But our criminal sytem has to be pretty cut and dry when it comes to sex with kids. Lacking a subtlely perceptive and responsively caring social structure, we rely on justice to keep our vulnerable safe. It is a sad thing when a criminal has had a wretched life that distorted him, but we are years from being able to deal with it.
We can’t risk kids the way we do with our compulsive desire to justify behavior we don’t understand or don’t want to see or believe.
Dan,
Are you some kind of deviant, moronic loser?
A 12 year old. A TWELVE YEAR OLD!
I don’t care how “advanced” they are, a 12 year old is a CHILD! Any 37 year old loser who does a 12 year old needs to be locked away forever.
And poor ed has lied about the whole thing. In spite of the evidence against him, he told his girlfriend it never happened.
The best thing ed could do is plead guilty, take the max and askfor protective custody. Or commit suicide because some very bad people are just waiting for him…
I don’t know anybody
We all are not friends, but chatted on a few sites. You people like to jump alot. Things just don’t add up. I do not know this Ed and never said so. I like looking into cases and this is not the only site. I just go off what I see.
If u were not so narrow sighted and looked at what kids and adults said on other sites you would have a different view all together. If it is true why is this girls nickname HOE. Its came from more than a couple sources. If it is true. If this was my kid I would want to know why. The name is really wrong. This case is foul
Dan – you are absolutely correct.
First, let me clear something up – when I was responding above to your comments about the Sean Lennon case, I was talking about Sean and the girl in that case. I don’t want anyone to think I was talking about the young girls in this case.
We should not be talking about one case, on another cases’ blog….unless we make it clear who we are talking about, which I didn’t.
In this particular case, this 37 year old man is definitely a predator. He has a long history.
In the case of Sean Lennon, this is the first time he has done something like this, and he is a very immature, sexually inexperienced 21 year old from a small town. The young girl he victimized is also from the same town.
It is different, and the overall intention is different. I never said he didn’t deserve some type of punishment, but to me it is more important he needs to be taught why it is wrong and the long term impacts of his behavior, and stop it before he becomes a full fledged predator. He does not deserve 7 years in prison, the same sentence we give to drunk drivers who murder someone. 7 years of treatment would be better.
Will Sean get the treatment he needs? Chances are he won’t. He will, however, probably be exposed to all sorts of behaviors in prison that will make him a better criminal in the future.
If a 12 year old girl is sexually expressive and physically developed, she is not getting what she needs from her parents or peers, or educational system, if she is choosing to meet someone she has met online. As you have said, kids do dumb things. What do we do with a 12 year old who is sexually expressive? Have any suggestions? This is the real nitty gritty.
There is a vast difference between a 21 year old and a 37 year old. The 37 year old should be locked up, and the key thrown away.
One of the biggest differences in these two cases is 25 years….meaning, Sean is 21 and was having sex with a 14 year old. A 7 year difference, in the age group of inexperienced and immature young adults.
The 37 year old was having sex with a 12 year old….a 25 year difference!!!! And the difference is in a mature very experienced adult!
It seems very clear to me.
A totally unrelated story, but to illustrate the whole idea of how we judge when someone is capable or competent –
I remember when my kids were 5 years old, the bus would stop in the middle of the hill to pick them up for kindergarten.
When they turned 6, the school deemed it was unsafe to stop in the middle of the hill, and instead thought it appropriate for them to walk 3 blocks to catch the bus. Go figure….It is the schools determination that a 6 year old is much more mature and capable of making decisions than a 5 year old. Hmmm….Of course, I always took them to school, so it was a moot point. But, How does this make sense?
Our society is rampant with laws and rules that do not make sense.
So – to bring it back to this situation. If Sean had been 19 or 20 (which in emotional maturity he is actually more like 17) the age spread is not so drastic. Did he magically get the knowledge he needed at 21? How???? Would he still have received the same sentence if he were 19 or 20?
It is a proven, scientific fact, that young adults do not have the brain power to make these kinds of decisions. So yes, we must protect our children. We the parents are responsible. And yes, sometimes even in situations where we have done everything possible, a member of our family is abused or murdered. That is where the treatment for survivors comes in. Something our society, until most recently, was lacking in.
You have said it all above….
‘Lacking a subtlely perceptive and responsively caring social structure, we rely on justice to keep our vulnerable safe.’
We, society, are not taking responsibility for this problem. We encourage the behavior in so many ways, and them slam people when they take advantage of it. We the people need to change.
Until we have even a modicum of fairness, a lot of young men will suffer for being stupid. Alas! Isn’t that how it always has been?
And, we will never gain the knowledge or information we need to actually do something about this crazy mess unless we are fair in our assessments and punishment of sexual offenses. Not every one who commits a sex crime, is a predator.
I do not have a compulsive desire to justify behavior we do not understand. I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and understand all to well the behaviors and motivations of predators.
I am trying to open up dialogue so parents and people in general will really take a look around them and start thinking about this problem – a problem that has been around since man has been on earth.
Parents are the first line for defense against abuse. Leaving it up to the government only creates more of a mess.
The tactics we have used so far have not worked. We need a new approach, and we need understanding for both the victims and offenders. Otherwise, we keep repeating the same behavior. You as a professional must know this all too well.
Questioning does not equal defending or justifying.
And, lastly, it is very frustrating to keep repeating what I am saying. If you read all my posts, you will understand, instead of taking things out of context and running with one sentence without looking at how it fits in with the bigger picture. Something we humans do constantly. Communication and understanding is key.
A 12 year old child is never responsible for what a 37 year old has done, even if her nickname is hoe. How did she get this nickname, and why????
Parents are the first line of defense for predators. Anyone who thinks a sexually advanced child is responsible, is a predator.
How did that child get the knowledge to begin with?
And, sparky, Dan was not saying that these victims are responsible….ease up people and read the whole response, even if they are long, because they contain alot of information!!!! DON’T RUN WITH ONE SENTENCE AND THINK THAT IS THE WHOLE IDEA.
I love how all the weirdo pedophile lovers on here blame everyone but ed. Maybe the 12 year old has low self-esteem, maybe she isn’t getting enough love…
So wonderful eddie slinks in and gives them some love and self-esteem. If it’s not ed’s fault then why is he lying about the whole thing?
I don’t care about the girls’ nicknames, their myspace blogs, etc. Ed is a child-raping monster and he’s going to jail. Once there, I predict he will meed a violent end to his child-predation days.
Sparky – no one is saying it is not Ed’s fault.
As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I know that the true answer to stopping this behavior, is by prevention.
This stuff turns my stomach, makes me angry, makes me want to destroy.
Since I have lived with the efft up after effects of abuse I suffered at the very young age of 5, I know the answer is not to simply lock these guys up and not do anything about all the other details events and things that happened leading up to the whole trauma.
I am more concerned with the survivors of these types of crimes. But, I also know that we will not dent what happens if we do not prevent.
If a childhood disease had the same statistics as childhood sexual abuse has, we would be up in arms. And when something like this happens we are up in arms. But then our energies seem to die out and we are not watchful on a daily basis.
If people were dying, becoming ill, left with a host of ailments, after drinking water, wouldn’t we look at the causes of how that water become deadly to people? Especially children????
People are crazy
Laurie,
You sound like you got it together. I just want to say if my kid was on other web sites with kids she went to school with. She is only 12. I saw the profile under another students profile along with parents comments and I have to say, these parents did not monitior this kids behavior. She sounds like a real winner too. This girl sounds like a real ganster
That is a pretty bad name for a 12 yr old to have. Laurie I think that parents and kids talked about it, her name and school came up on other sites. I will leave the name and school out because I put my self in the parents shoes. Were I think that what every one see the bigger pic, the parents were not overseeing like they said. Kids pull a lot of shit and I did too as a kid. But to make your self out to be these must observant parents is not working in there favor. My kid would have been f up if my friends called me hoe and I looked like a gangster too. If I never seen the other sites and kids and parents talking I would be all out for this 12 yr old. I agree with cowboy back on this page. Lock the parents up.
That is a pretty bad name for a 12 yr old to have. Laurie I think that parents and kids talked about it, her name and school came up on other sites. I will leave the name and school out because I put my self in the parents shoes. Were I think that what every one see the bigger pic, the parents were not overseeing like they said. Kids pull a lot of shit and I did too as a kid. But to make your self out to be these must observant parents is not working in there favor. My kid would have been f up if my friends called me hoe and I looked like a gangster too. If I never seen the other sites and kids and parents talking I would be all out for this 12 yr old. I agree with cowboy back on this page. Lock the parents up.
The immaturity and underdevelopment of young adult minds is why we make such strident laws against engaging children in sex. It draws a clear line they may not be able to resist on their own. We enforce laws or they become mere possibilities, and we know how young adults like risk.
Even a first time, even with a fairly narrow age gap, when someone of superior status engages someone of inferior status (age, mental capacity, authority), it’s preying, even if it is complex and subtle. Part of the reason pedophiles are attracted to children is because they like the social interactions so much, feel comfortable interacting with a kid and don’t get the same charge from adult women. This is true for young men who choose pre-consent age girls too. Now I don’t happen to think that urge for the ease of a predatory relationship is necessarily evil, only misunderstood in the young adult. When anyone resists the urge to prey and does not prey, they have my utmost respect.
We’re blurring treatment and our laws here. Clearly we are not protecting our children adequately. Clearly far too many parents in this country are not capable parents. And predators are having a field day with the various new supports and access they enjoy. So how do we protect our most sacred trust, our children?
We are far from an ideal society. How I would love it if 14 year old children could come to me and tell me of urges to prey. How I wish there was treatment, a system in place. But there isn’t one. It’s hit or miss. Far too many kids are hurt. Just about the only thing we can do in our current system is communicate our stance on using children by being severe with criminals. They need to be removed from contact with our kids. They need aggressive treatment. We should not be risking putting them back among our kids.
We can concoct all sorts of scenarios with mitigating greys. With a sophisticated system of treatment, we might fairly address the complexities in each case. (IQ is one near and dear to my heart) But what we have is a very blunt tool. “No underage girls or child porn or you go to jail.) While we attempt to refine it, we still need to keep swinging it.
Jay,
Let me correct you on something. The judge DID NOT throw out any counts. He just required bail on two counts, and ROR’d him on the other eight counts.
Like I said before, sounds like the case took water on. Did I not write this a while ago. I guess what Laurie told you sank in.
I just want to tell the parents out there, That next time you have a child spend the night make sure you atleast meet the other parents. A lot of parents are sickin about what had happen, but even more about their parents. If I had my child spend the night, I would get to know the parents.
What did they do, throw the kid out on the front lawn . I guess if someone was willing to watch their headache for the night I would be excited and open the door as I was driving.
Well Jay
I think you were right all along. Is this na person one of the parents that there kids go to school with. What did she say to you. I am not getting it. Can u fill me in.
Well Jay
I think you were right all along. Is this na person one of the parents that there kids go to school with. What did she say to you. I am not getting it. Can u fill me in.
What is the site that u weretalking to her in
What is the site that u weretalking to her in
well not getting into details, but the kid needs new parents. It seems like they are graspping for straws.
I thought the story was two girls, not related, met him. There were myspace and text message records. The text for the second meeting was shown to police. I thought this was unraveled through message records.
Tampa Tribune said:
Several days later, Oberwise sent a text message to the 12-year-old’s cell phone asking for another meeting, said sheriff’s office spokeswoman Debbie Carter. When Oberwise arrived at the designated meeting place Friday near Hawkpark Boulevard and Lithia Pinecrest Road, deputies were there waiting for him, Carter said.
And the following Tamp Tribune article is dated Jan 26. It provides more details, including DNA evidence on clothing:
www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/26/12-year-olds-shouldnt-have-myspace-pages/
How could they have DNA evidence and ROR 8 counts only charge him with two
Jay are u on here. You are the expert u tell us
Jay are u on here. You are the expert u tell us
U know I read that and this is really looking like these people are pushing the issue. What did they do did this guy do tricks and try to blow a nut over the girls head. If u have DNA would it not be in the girls pants. I was reading ever ones comments and this dude sparky wanted to know who was this guys friends in gib town. I look it up on the map and found out they are next to each other. Did this guy have friends in the exact same area.
I was reading and thought it was the 14 yr old that tipped it off its on the front. I thought he did a special trip across town to meet this 12 yr old. Did they take blood or what from the sexual pred
I was reading and thought it was the 14 yr old that tipped it off its on the front. I thought he did a special trip across town to meet this 12 yr old. Did they take blood or what from the sexual pred
We’ve got a Girls Gone Wild youth culture promoting hypersexual displays among girls. College kids struggle with the rampantly false bullshit of this ideal. I shudder to think of the impact on young adolescents.
Girls roughly 11 – 16 are compelled to find themselves valuable in a way that they are essentially helpless to. They report spending more time and energy on discovering and creating a sense of value (desirablity) than any other thought in their heads. It is a crucial and irresistable stage of development. They can be desirable teammates, desirable companions, a desirable source of ideas or expertise or entertainment, and easiest of all, they can be seen as desirable sex objects. And what we parents need to know is, they care very little for the source of a sense of value. They gravitate toward the richest reward. Few may comment on her violin playing, mom and dad might seek her dinner companionship infrequently and unenthusiastically, she’s not the best artist or student in school, but the response to her flirtations and naughtiness can be overwhelmingly gratifying.
She’s looking for a framework to see herself in, a label to understand herself and solidify her value: “I’m creative, an artist.” “I am a energetic jock and good student.” ‘I’m fun and silly and everyone wants me to babysit.” “I’m sexy and compelling, a creative flirt mature and and desirable beyond my years.”
“People want me.” At 12 or 14 or even 16, they don’t really care how you want them as long as you do. It is absolutely necessary to them, one way or another.
Any kid under 16 who takes up with an adult is ravenous for approval. We can talk about monitoring all we want, but kids and predators will find a way around monitoring. We need to fill kids up.
I can think of kids who have and kids who would turn in an adult who made advances. They are strong, put a high price on their value, are full of self respect, feel rich in ability,resources, support and desirability. Parents need to give kids that, or they’ll get around us to find attention and approval elsewhere.
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.asp…
This article from a tv station also says that he contacted the 12 year old via text and the cops picked picked him up when he went to meet the girls again.
The DNA evidence is on the clothing. Sounds to me from the euphamistic discriptions that the many counts of “lewd and lascivious battery” means he did not penetrate them but engaged in other acts. Predators often build up to penetration. The term “rape” is often applied to sexual contact of various sorts with kids.
They choose which charges to press and which to drop based on what will make the most effective prosecution. They go over the alleged acts, label them, then see what they can best prove and get results from their prosecutorial efforts. Or they’ll choose not to waste efforts on acts with minor punishment in favor of those with greater punishment. Ex: they might consider the myspace messages one lewd act, but discard it in favor of pursuing the lewd act that left DNA evidence on clothing.
This thing is not cut and dry like every other one I see. I am all for hanging this guy, but after seeing how the parents talked about this 12 yr old not wanting their kids to hang around with and the changing of stories as in this guy had oral sex with her. Ok this is somewhat sex. they have DNA on her jacket. I mean what did this guy do Bite her in the arm. After reading ever thing now this is so over fetched
Jay, Remember the one guy last year that picked up the school girl from walking home. his lawyer tried to get him out but they had dna evid. Hes still in jail. No bail. They said it was this guys DNA evid. On this note it says this girl had it on her jacket. It did not say this Overwise guy. I am all for hanging this guy too, As you read more everday it seems like they are out to hang this one
Jay, Remember the one guy last year that picked up the school girl from walking home. his lawyer tried to get him out but they had dna evid. Hes still in jail. No bail. They said it was this guys DNA evid. On this note it says this girl had it on her jacket. It did not say this Overwise guy. I am all for hanging this guy too, As you read more everday it seems like they are out to hang this one
Parents always stick together in cases like this. But after staying neutral in this, It sounds like this kid was F up way before. They could have found an easier target than someone that has kids and no record.
Here’s the Sheriff’s press release:
http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/Press_Releases/2008/1…
I’m all for fairness, truly. I hate to see lives ruined by false accusations. But they picked this guy up at the place he arranged to meet the 12 year old, from his cell to hers, then he drove to get with her. I don’t care what the DNA source was or where it was found. Those circumstances don’t concern me. He met a child to talk her into sexual activity. He crossed the line. He preyed. I’m very thankful he didn’t get far with her, but when thinking about his punishment, I don’t care much how far he got with her. That’s due to the good acts of others, not him.
Yeah Jay,
I guess u are right. Something is diff wrong. I am always for our kids, But this is really screwed up from the start. They are struggling. Or what u said taking in water.
Yeah Jay,
I guess u are right. Something is diff wrong. I am always for our kids, But this is really screwed up from the start. They are struggling. Or what u said taking in water.
Wow
After reading this and other things this kid needed mental treatment way before this.
I feel as a watchful parent and my daughter is in the same school, I personally talked to some of the parents and even though no one is for this guy, No one is for there kids hanging out with this 12 yr old. I have to come forward as a parent not knowing and only hearing the so called facts and knowing the 12 yr old, Well lets just say I am not a totally all out to hang this guy. Reading all the lines and getting a feel , I just hate feeling like this and having kids and knowing there are real people that prey on kids. The issue and other parents said it too, is being pushed a little. Maybe its the way some parents feel about the 12 yr old. It shouldnt be that at all but it is. I hate to write this but, its the way I feel. Its not cut and dry and this kid needed much treatment with the names and problems she cause other children. this guy sounds like he had problems in a way too
Do you feel like a big man ostracizing a 12 year old girl who is a victim of sexual assault? You make me sick.
This is not even worth my time. Did it or did it not happen. Mike if you are here see if you see what I see read it and let me know.
Did it happen? Phone records, computer records, some sort of DNA on her clothes, and him driving intothe waiting arms of the police for a meeting he’d arranged with a pre-teen child he’d managed to get away from her older friend, a child cut from the herd because of her neediness. All that surely happened. It’s enough to show him a predator.
12 year olds go to grown men because they are needy. It appalls me how often being treated like crap at school is part of it. That can overcome good parenting. Kids get labels they didn’t earn ALL the time, every day. Kids can be MEAN. They don’t know how to be. Parents and other adults need to correct them.
Does he need help? Most certainly. And he had about 20 years to get it. His choice. He chose lots and lots of jail. I hope in jail (until he is old) he has that saving moment when he discovers in himself the abject horror and regret for what he chose to do: harm a child and teach her in a way she will never escape that she is human garbage.
Poor baby. God damn.
Overty sexuality (ex: 12 year old with a slut label) says is seriously amiss. Sometimes it means a history with sexual abuse.
Sounds like this poor little girl is having a horrible time. The message is: “Hey Kids! if a perv contacts you and meets you and arranges to meet you never ever tell anyone or you will be labeled a slut and people will avoid you. We will prove you are the garbage you always feared you were. Suck it up! If you’re 12 and some nasty old guys wants to pay attention to you, well, that’s your problem, nasty girl.”
Giving a child even a shred of blame in this situation has one source. It comes from a deep seated, rock hard belief that, in their true selves, all men are animals who will fuck anything given a chance. It’s saying: “come on, you know guys. He was entrapped. I mean, they invited him. They went.”
Here’s some information you need. Even if there were no chance of being discovered, no matter what, some men would not take the chance to fuck or even fondle a young teen girl. See, some men have empathy and hurting the girl would hurt them. They don’t feel desire for the girl. Men can think girls are pretty and yet don’t want to fuck them at all. Wow. No seriously, it’s true. In fact, brace yourselves, young girls give many men a gross out stomach flip flop when the girls flirt. Now you’re thinking that sick feeling is because the man is feeling like he’s been found out and imaging what would happen if he enacted his desires. That’s you asshole. many many men feel sick by teenage flirtations just because it’s icky and inappropriate. I’m not making this up.
We teach our boys with this bullshit. they learn they are (deeply secretly) pigs too.
Men are not pigs. We live in a society that assumes deep in his heart, each man is a pig. It’s not true. One way to change this cultural myth is for men to have zero tolerance for unacceptible deviant behavior.
How come you guys aren’t blaming the 14 year old? I can think of almost no 12 year olds who wouldn’t do precisely what a 14 yea old friend convinced him or her to do.
Yeah,
Pushing the envelope
Nobody never said it was wrong. I am sure u are not reading what other parents wrote. Surface of this case looks bad for this guy. Ever one sticks together in cases like this. I do. After everything said, I don’t think it will even go to court. I am not the system but……….
Read what others that go to school with this kid wrote, and every comment, tell me how you feel, And I have kids.
I haven’t read anything yet that doesn’t sound like pitchfork waving or ignorant bullshit. Where should I read to convince me these girls share blame with the deviant?
Dan,
I think were people differ is the fact that these parents were suppose to be over this girl and wasn’t. Nothing really came out intill a couple weeks ago may a little longer give or take. Some of the bullshit this girl pulled on others kids and these parents claiming that they were these greatest parents. What I am saying if you read each one of just this comment section you get a idea. But everything is twisted to make this guy look the best for media. Parents were talking about this girl and this other one that spent the night, But the parents never meet. Pushing the issue and it seems to me everones attitude is that no body is sure. No the girls are not to blame Dan. Their parents are. These people all agree. When you look at the Myspace page of this girl and that she lived with her student friend saying she was 19 and other students moms brought it to the table. One thing claims this guy drove clear across town for this 12 yr old. On one of the comments some asks about which one is friends of this guy from gib town. Did this girl already know him before all this myspace stuff existed
Dan,
I think were people differ is the fact that these parents were suppose to be over this girl and wasn’t. Nothing really came out intill a couple weeks ago may a little longer give or take. Some of the bullshit this girl pulled on others kids and these parents claiming that they were these greatest parents. What I am saying if you read each one of just this comment section you get a idea. But everything is twisted to make this guy look the best for media. Parents were talking about this girl and this other one that spent the night, But the parents never meet. Pushing the issue and it seems to me everones attitude is that no body is sure. No the girls are not to blame Dan. Their parents are. These people all agree. When you look at the Myspace page of this girl and that she lived with her student friend saying she was 19 and other students moms brought it to the table. One thing claims this guy drove clear across town for this 12 yr old. On one of the comments some asks about which one is friends of this guy from gib town. Did this girl already know him before all this myspace stuff existed
When some of the parents talked to their kids, the kids showed them what her profile looked like and one of the parents even made comments about stuff a 12 yr old did at school. Its not what a 12 yr old should due. If their was any sex at all would the dna been on her pants. Even oral sex. No body knows what happen. But off everything said its so much a mixed bag.
When some of the parents talked to their kids, the kids showed them what her profile looked like and one of the parents even made comments about stuff a 12 yr old did at school. Its not what a 12 yr old should due. If their was any sex at all would the dna been on her pants. Even oral sex. No body knows what happen. But off everything said its so much a mixed bag.
I got kids due I want my kid around this shit NO!!! Do I beleive this case to be true. No. At first I wanted to shoot him. Now after everyone spoke up the answer is NO. Read each comment just on this page and look for a pic. This article I feel is a waste of time.
I got kids due I want my kid around this shit NO!!! Do I beleive this case to be true. No. At first I wanted to shoot him. Now after everyone spoke up the answer is NO. Read each comment just on this page and look for a pic. This article I feel is a waste of time.
Even though it was a good thing to have these girls off the myspace bullshit which should never existed, But one of the parents that did a little investigation into her daughter found this girls profile in her hard drive computer. And was asking other parents questions. One of the parents said the profile was erased. But it was like ganster. Myspace is not to blame like the beginning of this page trying to say. Even though ever other case is like that.
Even though it was a good thing to have these girls off the myspace bullshit which should never existed, But one of the parents that did a little investigation into her daughter found this girls profile in her hard drive computer. And was asking other parents questions. One of the parents said the profile was erased. But it was like ganster. Myspace is not to blame like the beginning of this page trying to say. Even though ever other case is like that.
So we’re seeing the same comments. I thought there was some different information out there.
Her parents could be hopeless drug addicts. Whatever. It doesn’t matter how bad her parents are or how fucked up she is. We know a grown man drove to meet a 12 year old and met police instead. An we have internet and cell records.
If we’re trying to get to the societal ills that make a child think acting like a slut is good, or the problems of parenting in the computer age, or how to handle kids with crappy parents, it really has nothing to do with this predator. All the “taking on water” and questions about did it happen make it seem like there are facts we are missing. Nothing can mitigate what he did, not slutty invitations, not absent parental supervision. They’re separate issues.
I don’t know much about these parents, but even truly fine parents can have a teen evade them. I’ve seen truly caring, involved parents miss important things going on in their kids lives. Sometimes kids who are not what the pack finds desirable (special needs, emotionally disturbed, quiet/introspective, socially inept, physically disabled, unattractive, too loud, wild, hell if they want to wear their dad’s leather vest, just about anything) can be punished in ways that change who they are and who they become. Social interactions with peers and other adults have immense impact. By ostracizing her, making no way she can win, her community is hurting this girl.
Parents everywhere are in a challenging situation when an adult predator becomes involved. Kids have bad judgement, are confused, volitile, and they all want to be found desirable. This opens kids to the manipulations of an adult. Those manipulations are almost irresistable to them.
Parents and kids have enough problems. They don’t need adults acting in secret to coax their kids. Any parent would struggle. because kids under 16 feel sure they are all grown up and we don’t understand. We cannot tolerate any degree of predation. There is no excuse for it.
It’s fine to examine the subtleties, but they don’t bear on the crime.
I was even like myspace to blame again. And would have always thought that. The whole world thought that. this was not the case to blame myspace and some and most are not 100percent sure like at first either about this guy.
Now do you see what other people see. When it all came to light.
I was even like myspace to blame again. And would have always thought that. The whole world thought that. this was not the case to blame myspace and some and most are not 100percent sure like at first either about this guy.
Now do you see what other people see. When it all came to light.
Does anyone care that there was likely no penetrative rape? I sure don’t care. He acted on his urge to violate a child. Should we wish he’d gotten farther before cops caught him?
We can defend the rights of predators. All those men caught in sting operations, some of them might have called on their higher selves once in the presence of the child and not been able to act on violating the child. That would be worthy of some respect. But violating a child is such a devastatingly immoral act and harm that I am comfortable intercepting predators as soon as they act and not waiting for them to commit more heinous acts.
Meet a kid, plan and talk about raping him or her vs. raping him or her, it’s all basically the same to me. We’ve found a predator willing to act. he needs to be removed from society.
Dan ,
You make some good points. Kids do try to get over on there parents. Sometime they do. Other times they get there ass beat. It really seems to everyone that they are really trying hard to blast this guy.
Dan ,
You make some good points. Kids do try to get over on there parents. Sometime they do. Other times they get there ass beat. It really seems to everyone that they are really trying hard to blast this guy.
Sorry, I don’t understand what’s coming to light and taking on water. The behavior and habits of the two children? So it’s ok to prey on disturbed, neglected or untended kids?
On most cases, a rape kit would test for sperm spit anything and they can match within 48 hours. If a judge showed it was a match, there is no way he would be out. Now to keep the story going the girl has it on her Jacket. Sleeve. Was there sex. No. Anything else don’t know.
On most cases, a rape kit would test for sperm spit anything and they can match within 48 hours. If a judge showed it was a match, there is no way he would be out. Now to keep the story going the girl has it on her Jacket. Sleeve. Was there sex. No. Anything else don’t know.
Everyone, including those of us here, are blasting this guy so furiously because he’s a nasty fuck. We have a gut reaction of revulsion for him, picturing him sitting in his vehicle with a pre-teen girl and what he intended to do to her. That’s all. I think many of us are glad he was stopped before actually raping her. Many find it nasty enough that he talked to her like that and went to her for sex. He meant to rape her, likely would have raped her had the girls not had the sense and guts to confess their bad behavior, and that’s good enough for me to be violently angry and revolted by him, thus blasting him.
We know for a recorded fact that he invited her then he went to meet her. That is enough. No fluid-depositing rape necessary for us to blast him.
Thanks Dan.
So many of these twisted folks are blasting everyone but pervert ed. Well, ed is not just recorded on text, but also on a very graphic voice tape recording.
The girls apparently snuck out of the house after everyone went to bed. Ed had apparently been trolling MySpace looking for children and happened upon her site. And just as you said, the excitement of an older person giving her attention was attractive.
Ed has lied about the incident but there is too much evidence. He is apparently saying that nothing ever happened. According to the recordings, he did quite a bit, enough to charge him with ten counts. And because the girls were too young he could not vaginally penetrate, but certainly did elsewhere.
The law does not allow for a 12 or 14 year old to consent, they do not have the capacity to do so mentally or emotionally. The victim-bashers on here are truly disgusting. Ed will have a lot of time to think about his tryst with the little girls, I hope he enjoyed it.
So the twisted on here can say what they want about the case “taking on water”, but there is a mountain of evidence. And since this is a “strict liability” crime, consent by the little girls is inadmissible as a defense. Ed will be much safer in jail. If for any reason he does not go away for a long time, I predict a short and unhappy life for him. Someone will find him and mete out some street justice…
Hey, Mike
I just looking on here wasnt looking to write. Is there evid I thought they all had sex. Look at the front of this article.
Chris, Mike and Mike and Jay,
Do you feel like big men by trashing the 12 year old victim? If she was as messed up as you say then is it better, or worse, that pervert ed chose her as his girlfriend?
And Mike, maybe you should try a spell and grammar-check. In addition to idiotic comments, you have the communication skills of a third-grader…
I’m trying to relate to the need to find mitigating circumstances, find proof inadequate or questionable, assert that it takes two to tango, etc.
Strangers I can sit here and discuss, albeit heatedly. So what would my reaction be if my dearest male bud or even my brother was picked up on his way to hook up with a child? I think maybe I would not be able to resist pounding the living fuck out of him the moment I set eyes on him. Scares me but there it is.
Violating kids trips something primal in otherwise civilized people.
I hope Ed’s kids are being protected during all this and that some competent adults are managing the dynamics at school.
Ok, I fixed the headline to accurately portray the crime. But I don’t see what the problem is. 37-year-old meets 12-year-old girl to have sex yet still people are defending this scumbag. I guess I’m one of the few people who sees things as black and white.
Maybe I am lost, I hope not, but did this say he had oral sex, and what ever sex. Now it says he met for sex. I hate to say this I have been following bites and pieces of this here and there. Now the top of this and other sites says he was meeting for sex. I have kids too and this is a big concern for me. It feels like you people are trying for anything now. I felt really sickin by this at first, now it doesn’t even matter to me.
He was also arrested for raping the same 12 year old, and 14 year old on a previous occasion, and then meeting them again.
It should matter to everyone. Some of the discussion here has been on prevention, which is the way to stop this.
Trench,
Loser ed was arrested for ten counts of lewd and lascivious battery. The fact that he went back for another tryst with the twelve year old, and graphically described on a recorded telephone call with the twelve year old, are all evidence of his crimes. How would these morons feel if this happened to their own children, or ed’s children? They call themselves good parents and yet they can’t put together a coherent sentence…
So, lewd and lascivious battery – what exactly does that mean? He did not rape the girls? He exposed himself or what? He engaged in perverse telephone conversations?
Offenders run the gamut in what they do.
This story keeps changing. He had sex, he met for sex. DNA evid? No DNA evid. I been reading for a while. Stop trying to make the crime fit. Let it go.
Get on with yourselfs.
Carrie,
Actually what we’ve been bickering about is how to state his offense so we don’t exaggerate what he did to be sensational. What he did was bad enough. “Statutory Rape” often gets shortened to “rape” and “sex” becomes a catch all for any sexual activity. Discussions become confused.
Many of us are parents too. Others are invested citizens. After clarifying the hard evidence, facts based on recorded messages and the guy meeting police thinking it was the girl, we were talking about whether or not we really care what base he got to with her or how far he meant to go with her. Meeting a kid twice for sexual activity is enough for many of us to revile him.
Many of us are willing to blast him based on the intentions he acted on rather than the degree to which he was able to successfully violate the girl.
Laurie, it sounds like any specific details around are rumor. Maybe explicit details were not released to protect he child. Or maybe those allegations are more difficult to prove.
Florida law:
4) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.–A person who:
(a) Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age or
(b) Encourages, forces, or entices any person less than 16 years of age to engage in sadomasochistic abuse, sexual bestiality, prostitution, or any other act involving sexual activity
Terry,
There is a news report of DNA evidence found “on her clothing.”
Should we not be concerned about how our legal system handle child sexual assault and the alleged asssailants? We no longer put someone away just because a child said so because that tact destroyed innocent lives. So how are these cases handled? We who care about kids want to know.
That article:
www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/26/12-year-olds-shouldnt-have-myspace-pages/
In case anybody missed the quote from the article that matters…
Law enforcement officials said they also have recordings of Oberwise’s alleged X-rated conversations with John’s daughter, as well as DNA evidence recovered from the girl’s clothing.
Lewd and Lascivious is Florida’s law for the rape of a child over the age of 12. Ed is charged with 10 counts of making sexual contact with the two little girls. It involves intercourse, attempted intercourse, sodomy and more. It’s sickening that the higher charge, statutory rape, has a cutoff at the amazingly low age of 12. Otherwise, ed would be facing ten counts where he could (and should) face ten-to-life. As it is, he faces ten counts of 10-to-15.
Moron terry,
Wow, another of ed’s buddies. This is not hard to figure out, if you have half a brain:
Ed met the little girls on January 8, got them in his mom’s jeep, trapped them with child-proof locks and repeatedly sexually assaulted them.
Then ed returned on January 8 to “meet the 12 year old for more sex”.
No confusion there, unless you are easily confused…
CORRECTION, first encounter was January 3
I thought he was meeting for sex. Did any sex happen on this Jan 3. I have a problem that if the DNA matched and the judge let him go. That can be done in 48 hours.
There is hard evidence that he invited and met the two girls for sexual activity and that he once arranged and went to meet the 12 year old for sexual activity, where he was met by cops instead.
Any statements regarding what went on in the vehicle with the two girls is all “heresay,” I believe. “Assertions made by human beings are naturally unreliable.” (law) From what I can tell, no one knows. Some people seem to be implying the parents are inflating the accounts. And of course Ed is denying or diminishing them.
I’m not an expert, but as I understand it, judges don’t decide guilt or innocence in these cases. People are entitled to bail despite most evidence, especially if they deny the charges. They are assumed innocent, and with the judge not deciding guilt, we can’t keep innocent people in jail.
And let’s face it, unless a rape victim is horribly beaten and creatively violated, the horror factor is considered much less. It seems that he did not abduct, beat and penetrate her violently, so coaxing a little girl out of her house and leaving bodily fluid on her clothes is not seen as such a horrible violation. People are set free for worse.
Mr. N
As u know my kids go to the same school as yours. My kids and other parents in the same school had forbidden their kids to interact with yours. I hope to god this did not happen. But she needed help way before this. I just hope she did not use this to act out.
Dan,
I am not trying to be a asshole in a case like this. But it just seems like some people that act like they know what happen are telling different things. I talk to some here and there, it helps become a better parent. Its like a refresher for a parent what could happen. I have 3 little kids. But if my kid pulled at 12 yrs old some of the shit this kid did to others in school, I would have beat the living shit out of her. Yes there are many people even knowing the 12 yr old that thinks this is inflated. I have to go off what I see. And find out. Its just a sad all around case.
Dan,
Just as a example, you said the Jeep was heresay. DNA on her clothes. I can tell you that it can be extracted and sent to a lab and results in 48 hours along with spit or sperm. It has happen in many other cases that there is a match and very easy to test that person. It just seems like everyone is going through the here say thing. It makes the case look big.
Jay, I hear you. Men’s lives have been crushed on little evidence. I think that’s why we’ve been so careful to clarify this down to the hard evidence of his actual behavior, not what he intended to do, not what may or may not have gone on in his vehicle.
As for the DNA, a 48 hour turn around is certainly possible. But what would those results mean if officials chose to release them? Only a trial by a jury of his peers or a plea by him would decide his guilt. Even semen on undergarments would not prove his guilt unless a selected jury decided it did. Not even a judge can decide that, unless Ed agrees to let a judge decide.
We have no idea what that evidence was or what activity it proved, whether it was semen on under garments or whether he sneezed on her sweater. Not wanting to “make thecase look big” many of us have decided we don’t even care what went on in the vehicle. We are angry enough about what the evidence shows he did do.
So are you protesting the entrapment aspect?
“Beating the living shit” out of a kid generally creates a disturbed trouble-maker with diminished ability to empathize with others. That’s how a lot of criminals are made. Also, it is illegal.
We have heard plenty from people who feel she is disturbed. It is in all likelihood true. Healthy, happy 12 year olds don’t often fall to the coaxing of predators, so there’s some evidence of her problems. But we’re separating the issues. Ed’s behavior and her behavior are not related. Seriously.
Effective predators choose fucked up kids. It’s a smart move. Chances are a predator simply could not coax a happy, healthy, successful, supported kid out of her house.
A predator has been caught. Whatever acts he is successfully prosecuted for will determine his sentence and treatment, but her behavior will not be taken into account because she is 12.
There are things 12 year olds can and cannot be accountable for. Sneaking out, lying, all those things should get her trouble, like removal of internet priviledges and fewer freedom of movement. But she is in no way responsible for what Ed did. Had she, in her disturbed way, flirted with and enticed a healthy, caring adult man, she would have learned a valuable life lesson not only about acceptible behavior, but also that her value is in more than her sex appeal and that men are not mindless pigs.
All young girls flirt and entice to explore their own power and also to discover the nature of grown men. Men should know this. Men teach a girl a precious and necessary lesson when they reject such overtures. It’s a crucial experiment for girls in a culture that shows females’ primary worth to be as sexual objects. So let’s do our job and insist other men do it too. Or send them to jail.
N/A said something about her acting out. Yes, insightful. Acting out is a good way to put it. But her acting out in no way makes being preyed on by an adult an acceptible repurcussion even for outrageous behavior. Society is meant to be comprised of caring adults who make sure repurcussion for acting out don’t include death, dismemberment, disease, or sexual assault.
Why is it everyone asks “where were the parents?” Because we know kids are generally incapable, confused, nuts, and in dire need of limitations and guidance.
12 year olds are not competent enough to be put in a position to take “blame” for many actions at all.
If she was in as much trouble as it sounds like, her school let her down.
Ever notice how when a kid isn’t likable we are willing to have adult expectations of him or her years before he or she is actually capable? Ever notice how we turn our backs on kids with unattractive problems? Often they’re sexual issues, because while we’re willing to ogle and promote the sexiness of young people, we’re often puritanical when considering the sexual development of kids. “Sluts” get written off early. Those girls’ problems just get worse.
When 12 year olds behave in beastly ways, the correct reaction is to insist that child gets help, attention, expert intervention and careful expectations placed on her, not to ostracize and villify her.
We have no idea how thischild came to be as she is. We may never know. But as a child, she deserve our unreserved support.
Jay,
Can you be specific as to what this kid “did to others at school”?
Dan,
Are you a counselor or psychologist? You seem to have some great insight. I was a trouble kid and I eventually turned my life around. This child has had a rough life and she is in counseling.
Yep, I counsel the most messed up kids. When I find empathy and conscience, a kid can be healed and learn to be a happy,contributing member of society. With the exception of sociopaths, I can think of no cases where a “bad” kid with diminished empathy and conscience didn’t have those necessary qualities systematically deadened by verbal, physical, and/or sexual abuse.
I know what most people see. They see surly badasses with care for no one but themselves. In my experience, that’s all cover. I see their helplessness and rage, their tears and impotence and hurt.
I firmly believe that we make our criminals. I also think we don’t take into account how mixed up and confused nigh on to insanity teens are. It’s a crazy time for them. They needs lots of positive and emphatic adult attention.
I also think kids are deceptively easy. They are all ravenous for love and approval no matter what they say or do. Love them, pay great quantities of attention to them, and have explicit and immovable expectations, and they are almost all helpless to do anything but be good.
What’s your story as a troubled kid, Sparky?
I was always uncomfortable as a child but when my brother became sick with cancer when I was 12, I spiraled downward. I embarked on a 16 year downward journey of drugs and alcohol. At 28 I got sober and returned to school, eventually getting a doctorate degree.
Wow. Good work. That’s hard to do. If it’s not too revealing, what’s your doctorate in?
Dan,
Juris. Apparently, some of the people here know this girl’s last name. Some said they got it from HCSO deputies. That would be a sad thing, if deputies gave up a minor victim in a sexual assault case.
Also, to the best of my knowledge, nobody’s parents ever forbade their kids from playing with the children. All of this indicates to me that these jokers are probably pals of child rapist ed. He knows her name, and he knows her school.
How disturbing is that? The state attorney’s office today said most of the bloggers on this site are probably friends and relatives of the perpetrator. They are still looking for the “friend” from gibsonton who was going to lend his home or apartment for their next rendevous…
Dan,
What the hell is this guy talking about.
I am still curious why the 12 year old was/is ostracized at school. This only adds to the problem. This girl needs some serious intervention, that hopefully will guide her and enable her to make positive choices. She also needs support. This is not supportive.
I hope none of your children, N/A get into any kind of trouble and you are never faced with being ostracized. It causes a great deal of damage.
After reading the article, it seems there were issues with communication within the family, along with letting a 12 year old have what they want. Easy for me to say – 12 year olds can be very difficult.
I am not one of Ed’s buddies – I live in New York, where this behavior would be called what it is….RAPE. I am a survivor who is trying to get people to stop and think about what we do on a daily basis that feeds into this problem.
Thank you for your most recent post Trent, on the dangers and ways to combat this happening to your children via myspace. Some of the suggestions, I believe, I posted earlier. However, let us not be secure in thinking that only myspace is the danger. Offenders lurk in all of society they are lawyers, teachers, doctors, clerks in stores, photographers etc.
Parents are the first line of defense against predators, and even then, some kids will be abused. This has been happening since man has inhabited earth. That is why we need good treatment programs, and better curriculums in schools. Not necessarily to teach sex education, that would be nice so that every knows specifically what the rules are, but curriculums that teach kids about life in general, and what our role is here on this earth, and how our daily decisions impact us for years Like anti-bullying and tolerance education. All of this is connected. If someone feels good about themselves, chances are they will not be looking for something to make them feel good about themselves, as you have pointed out Dan. In any case, parents need to talk WITH their kids, not at them. We need to have good discussions about self respect and what it means to have relationships with people, and what our instincts tell us about others. We all need to get on board with protecting our children. Unfortunately, many parents do not have a clue.
Jay,
looks like Sparky studied law of some sort. And also that he is a more effective internet researcher than I am. He seems to have more up to date info on the investigation. Sparky, can we get read those stories?
I always wonder who investigates these discussions. Once we had a bona fide pedophile writing on the Kelsey Peterson case, but he got scared away.
We do (or did for a while) have some Ed supporters. It’s got to be so confusing to have a friend or a friendly acquaintance do something like this. Think of how many times friends and neighbors are shocked when a “nice guy” or “family man” does something horrible. People keep secrets.
I’ll play devils advocate on the ostracizing question. I’ve known some really bad kids. They’re scary. They’re out of control. They can be mean, bully, threaten. Kids are sometimes too scared to interact with the kid, or they can be scared of being implicated in misdeeds. so they steer clear. And to be fair, parents, me included, often tell their kids to avoid associating with kids who get involved in certain behaviors, drugs, bullying, slander, shoplifting, whatever. However this girl’s bad decision-making manifest itself, it must have been enough for kids to think it best to avoid her. That’s when relationships need to be facilitated by an adult. And the real problem would be those kids participating in any harmful labeling, retribution bullying from the safety of a group. Parents should be carefully explaining that this girl is troubled, has unmet needs, and deserves fairness and caring. I would tell that to a kid in the same breath I might insist he or she not be alone with the troubled kid in question. Care, respect, fairness, but still be wary of personal safety, even if its only emotional safety.
We haven’t heard what her rep was specifically, but even a kid who is simply a loud mouth with poor judgement can wreak a lot of painful havoc on 12 year old peers. Many 12 year olds are very unsophisticated (rightly so) and not ready for a peer who has seen too much too soon.
Do you want to know what some of the parents talked about. The fact one kid spent the night with the other kid and the parents have never even meet. Stop blamming the police dept. Or hey maybe that was in the police report. Not.
Do you want to know what some of the parents talked about. The fact one kid spent the night with the other kid and the parents have never even meet. Stop blamming the police dept. Or hey maybe that was in the police report. Not.
Real poor parents
Real poor parents
Mike
Its not a case of being poor parents. You have kids too. Life is a lot of time to support a family and some jobs suck were there is very little family life. I am making this quick but why parents did not want their kids hanging around is some things that were brought up. It leads to trouble. If I was one of these parents I would have told you or brought light to it. There just as much to blame.
Ok Jay,
Well when sparky was studing his grammer, I was watching my kids. Sound better?
Ok Jay,
Well when sparky was studing his grammer, I was watching my kids. Sound better?
Is not meeting the sleep-over parents the worst example? Yikes. That is well within range of normal parenting mistakes, especially if they knew the older girl.
Many ills come from our hell-bent desire to find people either good OR bad rather than a subtle mix of selfish and selfless, petty and deep. Parents tend to see kids as either good or bad, kids labeled good get far too little support and kids labeld bad are doomed by other’s bad feelings about them.
Parents are just naive. A “good” kid can lie and still be good. A good kid can get up to trouble on the internet. These things are to be expected. When your kid lies to you, he or she is not a villian. Kids explore limitations. They need firm supervision/support and forgiveness.
So your 12 year old is hanging with this sweet, friendly, seemingly mature 14 year old. Many parents might permit the sleepover without meeting the parents. And truly, what would meeting the parents tell them? It’s a perfuctory act.
Parenting is hard. It’s not an innate set of skills. Most parents really try, but we learn from mistakes like everyone else. Some mistakes are too much to risk.
I thought I was so hip. I watched my daughter like a skillfully surrepticious hawk. I know what can be in peoples’ hearts. Then we got our first computer about 10 years ago when she was an early teen. Being a tech nimrod, I got the prescribed nannying software. We talked, all the time, about everything. Still, somehow she found her self chatting with a 13 year old boy who used the phrase “word to your mother,” among others. I chatted him and figured he was a man about my age. So scary. Hip me and my kid chatting with a perv.
Fact is, parenting today is complicated, especially with technology, media messages, outlets to encourage spending that create lots of free locations for kids. Take this immensely complicated job and add to it the fact that teens are nuts. They’re sure they’re adults and we don’t get them and yet they believe nothing bad can ever happen to them because we’ve protected them so well. With this feeling of imperviousnes and biologically compelled to alienate their parents, they go out into these multi-faceted venues to experiment with life and themselves.
Parenting is hard, kids are crazy. When they go to these venues, internet, malls, coffee shops, school events, we are giving them the short leash to experiment with freedom as they must. True learning comes from mistakes, so in essence we are setting them free to make mistakes. Those mistakes could include lying about where they are, staying out too late, failing to do school work, skipping school or a practice, doing self-distructive things like drinking or smoking, maybe joining in group meanness, heck even shoplifting or toilet papering a tree. Maybe they eat too many hotdogs and puke. Stupid shit in the scheme of things. All these things can be mistakes kids learn from. What we do not need is predators out in these places we send our kids on their little leashes to learn how to handle life without us. Our system is one that relies on trust, trust breached, understood, then reformed stronger.
We need places were kids may engage risk safely. We can’t have predators hunt them there. Neither parents nor kids are equipped for that. For this reason, when a person preys, he or she needs to be removed from the equation as utterly as possible.
Mikey and Jay,
It sounds like when your kid was in third-grade, you were in second grade. You were watching your kids because you walked to school together.
And by the way, the parents knew each other for years.
Dan, my take on this is that some of those attacking (the parents, children…) are friends of ed. Ed probably provided them with some of their “inside info”… One of them is probably the loser who was going to loan ed his apartment in Gibsonton so he could sexually assault the twelve year old again, he may even have been a waiting participant.
I guess u are really lost
That is not what any of the parents said. Stop twisting that. Next time meet them, I am sure they don’t bite.
Sparky – I have mentioned the parents in these posts, and how we are all responsible when something like this happens. Those who choose not to see, will not change a thing. It will remain status quo as it has been.
The parents definitely have responsibility in this, if you read the article, you know what that is.
I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, abused by a teenage neighbor at the age of 5-6, which led me to make many unhealthy choices throughout my teenage and young adult years. It is a miracle that I am here today. I have been a volunteer for Rape Crisis, and also given workshops on childhood sexual abuse prevention, testified at legislative hearings, and speak out whenever I can.
The other people who posted who may be questioning intent, etc., and who may be viewed as ‘attacking’ the 12 year old, could be considered ignorant, or uneducated in this area. But, just because we question the circumstances, does not mean we are attacking. Much of what Dan says is true, although some of what he says I do not agree with. He is coming from a position of authority over kids, and he works with troubled kids. We all bring different experience to this blog.
Your lumping together, of all the people on this blog, just because people are wondering about the circumstances, truly illustrates the problem of how, until we look at each situation individually, the vast changes we need will not happen. We cannot and should not lump all offenders or sexual offenses together. We need to differentiate, and we need to educate.
I resent the implication that because I choose to look at the bigger picture of what has happened, and happens everyday in our county, that I am a friend of Ed’s.
We must know too, that Ed was a child at one point in time, and he must have turned to this type of behavior for a reason. Was this type of behavior acceptable in his home? What about relatives? Until we can figure out how to stop offenders before they become hard-core adult offenders, nothing will change. We know what doesn’t work, and we have some inclination on what will work, but as Dan has pointed out, our society and laws do not look at the different types of offenders and subtle nuances that are a major part of sexual offenses.
In order for society to truly make a change, we must look at the whole picture. Not just the victim, not just the offender, but ourselves as well. Turn on the TV, look at magazines, listen to music, etc etc. We adults allow all of these things. Our consumerism rules.
The number of kids that are abused in their homes everyday, shows that we are not looking in the mirror. That is where the real problem lies.
The other major issue is that we spend so much time on the offenders, why don’t we spend just as much time on the victims?
Desperately needed services are not in place for victims. I, as a survivor, get sick looking at the news, reading the papers etc. because that is all you see – sex offenders. Talk about opening old wounds. And then, we offer no new hope for victims/survivors – some people blame the victim. A child is never at fault for what an adult does – but a child does make mistakes. And they will need help so they do not continue to make the same mistakes, or move on to commit worse crimes against themselves or others. A question in itself does not point to the victim with blame.
I often wonder why, with all the under-age teenage pregnancy in our country, all the ‘men’ who impregnated these teenagers, aren’t arrested and charged with rape?
Watch out Laurie, we are this guys Eds friend according to him. I just don’t get the change in the stories. I am not the only one. Take the time out read the comments and u tell me.
Watch out Laurie, we are this guys Eds friend according to him. I just don’t get the change in the stories. I am not the only one. Take the time out read the comments and u tell me.
And it doesn’t matter if I walked my kids to school. Atleast I am there for them.
And it doesn’t matter if I walked my kids to school. Atleast I am there for them.
Well you and jay are making a lot of conclusions and attacking the little girls and their parents. I happen to know both sets of parents and they are good people. Sometimes kids do things that are unexplainable, like sneaking out at night. Parents can only do so much.
And I am not aware of any parents who won’t let their kids play with these girls. Right now, both sets of parents have laid down the nuclear option, meaning no telephone, no computer, no unsupervised activity period.
You act like you know a lot but it sounds like you are pretty ignorant. And we could probably fill a library with all the things your kids do without you knowing about it.
Again sparky – you take what someone has written, ignore it, and pretend to quote it. You become personally insulting when you do not know what else to say. If you read all the posts from the beginning hopefully you will understand – if not, then you truly need help with reading comprehension.
This is not about my kids, who are, thankfully, mature adults. We had our bumps during the teenage years, but we did manage to avoid offenders because I was hyper-vigilant with my kids. My daughter especially resented it. At the age of 24, she now understands.
Mike&Mike – I read the stories and all the posts. I do believe that Ed is a predator, and should remain in prison for the rest of his life. No matter what the 12 year old did. I am not saying that I blame the victims, Ed is at fault. Raping a 12 year old??? There is no excuse. I also find it interesting that Florida law does not call it Rape.
Parents must take all the necessary steps to keep their kids safe. Even then, some will come to harm. But, we must be willing to look at the bigger picture to make a change for the better. The only way we learn is by our mistakes. Hormones and lack of positive activities for teenagers are a dangerous mix. Kids do crazy things, and adults are supposed to be responsible.
If this was my daughter, I would be doing the same things you have said the parents are doing now. I would also look inward, to see what I could have done differently. I would also make sure my daughter, and my family are in treatment. Hopefully, the young woman will not end up pregnant by the age of 16. This is how it happens…obviously, Ed was exhibiting behavior many years before he was caught. No one noticed? Hmmmm…..Or, did he think it was normal?
Why doesn’t anyone seem to care about prevention? We only seem to care about the crime, after it has occurred.
Wasn’t talking to you Laurie, and you are correct about one thing – your posts are too long so I don’t read them. However, I probably agree with you on more than I disagree. Some of the others have been borderline vicious and taking bits of what they found on various sites and drawing incorrect conclusions. So yes, I did attack for their meanness.
Woohoo I have authority over kids! Will someone please tell them that?
Actually, when I train people who work with kids, I teach how to facilitate learning without control, authority or punishment relying instead on relationship and natural consequences.
Parent responsibility is a perfect ideal. Certainly all of us parents could use better tools and more knowledge. But I’ve met many many pretty inept parents who relied solely on the ineffective models they were brought up with. We should blame them and educate them as appropriate, but if we’re trying to make a difference, we need to make a plan that incorporate s wide spread parental ineptitude.
I’m looking for a study supporting my impression that many more people with special needs and mental health problems have kids, in greater numbers, these days….
I also believe we need to account for the real limitations to implimentation when we create policies and laws. We can’t allow too much human interpretation into these cases. Thats why states work so hard to select and make widely know age of consent. We need firm lines for many reasons. Young men, emotionally disturbed men, even most mentally retarded men know: you don’t mess with kids sexually. It’s not just a law, it’s taboo.
One thing that’s crucial for a victim is how the assault is framed for them. Accuracy and perspective are crucial. For a variety of reasons, I believe only forced intercourse should be called rape.
Especially with kids, sexual assault victims sometimes take more trauma from the reaction and treatment after the assault than from the assault itself.
Prevention. Practicing pedophiles start around 14. These people need and deserve treatment before they hurt a child.
Just going straight off what the parents and some kids talked about. Its getting old
See Laurie was right. Sparky reads a couple lines, because there to big. And he is the only one that has a problem. Maybe his attention span is not up to par.
See Laurie was right. Sparky reads a couple lines, because there to big. And he is the only one that has a problem. Maybe his attention span is not up to par.
Jay, Mike& Mike,
Forget about everything else – if this happened to YOUR daughter – would you really want OTHER parents and their kids talking about it and making judgements and assumptions that are likely wrong? The point is NOT about what the kids’ reputations were or about what her behavior in school was or about which parents let their kids spend the night at someone’s house. Can you get it through your heads that the ONLY issue here is that Ed is a sexual predator and opportunist. Yes – parents – be hypervigilant with your kids and know what they are doing, but ultimately – if someone wants to victimize them, they are going to try and get around all of that. It really sickens me that there are parents on this site, some of whom have children who know the victims, who are even hinting at the possibility that Ed is not 100% to blame. Parents – be role models to your children and stop the gossiping and vicious rumor mill – show compassion where it belongs, to the kids.
Mikey, your posts are nice and short, they are just borderline unintelligible… Please run them through a grammar and spell check, you really sound like a second-grader.
And jay, thanks for the notes about “other parents”. I happen to be one of the “other parents” and I haven’t run into any of this. If anything, the victim has been told to stay away from many of the kids at her middle school because they are not very nice.and pick on her.
Probably not your kids though because she is in advanced classes and if your kids take after you, they are in remedial classes…
Sparky,
I am not blasting you. I will not talk about parents. They have just mentioned alot of things concerning the matter. And I agreed.
Okay then Dan – I do believe you wrote on Feb 12th this piece I have cut and pasted:
Yep, I counsel the most messed up kids. When I find empathy and conscience, a kid can be healed and learn to be a happy,contributing member of society. With the exception of sociopaths, I can think of no cases where a &ldquobad&rdquo kid with diminished empathy and conscience didn&rsquot have those necessary qualities systematically deadened by verbal, physical, and/or sexual abuse.
Counseling kids puts you in an authority position – period. You should know that.
Or, do you only train the people who work with kids? Which is it?
And, why the attack on me? Just want to spread the warm fuzzies around?
And then we wonder why our society is so fucked up????
It was just a joke. Yes, I’m the authority. I just find that funny when kids scream “fuck you” at me. Like, you know, someone tell them. Why did it feel like an attack? If anything it was self-effacing.
bottom line is his azzhole had sex with 2 minors, at the end of the day that is still rape
Sorry Dan – you are absolutely correct.
Sometimes I read too fast because there is so much to read – and I misunderstand.
You offer a lot of information. It is much to process.
“You offer a lot of information.” Aw, that’s a very generous way to put it. Thank you.
…..since you could say “blabbermouth” too………
Ok
Jay were u been
Jay were u been
chat with me on the other site.
Hey Jay,
Check out the fight
instagator
Dam,
No more stories or what?
Nope,
It got old and twisted. But you can meet us on some other sites. U will see our names. Come chat. Later…………………
Jay,
No more chat or what.
I come back from vacation and everyone has lock jaw. I figured there would be new stories out by now.
I come back from vacation and everyone has lock jaw. I figured there would be new stories out by now.
Mike,
Meet us on some better sites. There was way too much bullshit in these stories. Dan I saw you in other sites and wrote back, I thinkl the web the story was on never took. Still cant get on. You still there
I read these stories. I have talked to few on some sites. And I have kids. I really did not understand this at the end until it was explained to me. In the beginning, I believed. Now it got old. But I understand how the stories are told and for there reasoning.
Hi Jay. I almost never comment on other sites. They seem to only be venting. Not much room for constructive conflict. I read what people think, but I only comment when it looks like kids are reading and maybe getting (what I consider to be) the wrong message.
You have a suggested site for me?
Sorry wrong Dan.
I hate to be wrong again , but is this the same Cindy that I talked to on other sites?????
How come everyone has to talk in parents lounge. This site was good too.
I mean what about the girl michelle on here that got hit by a truck that is a problem child too. And that guy Red just come out of no where. and SMACK!!!! Cindy I do want to say thanks for the info on my email from the lounge. If you read this.
I mean what about the girl michelle on here that got hit by a truck that is a problem child too. And that guy Red just come out of no where. and SMACK!!!! Cindy I do want to say thanks for the info on my email from the lounge. If you read this.
Cindy,
I read what you wrote and its probably right. I know media and stories are added to, to work in the states favor, but why twist out of proportion
IM me in a room site.
were did all the comedy show go ???
I read here and there heard what the kids talked about and the parents, Was this 12 year old in a gang.
12 year old badasses are ridiculously simple to break through to. Say “Are you mean? Do you think of yourself as a mean girl? Because I always thought of you as sweet, but all this is very mean. Is that what you want, to be a mean girl?”
Kids younger than 14 just try on behavior and identity. They’re not invested or attached to it yet. Once they’ve been rewarded for it, they tend to get attached to it, but 12, 13, someone just needs to say “no” and damn well mean it.
12 year olds, gangs, what a joke. 16, not such a joke, but 12. Gimmee a break. Some adults are just being absurdly lazy.
Yeh, a gang. A gang called middle school. How stupid are people? That’s why I stopped paying attention to this, it was just a venue for morons to attack victimized children.
eddie the child-raper is about to join a gang too. A chain gang. Chained right next to his new best boyfriend. For 15 years.
Yeh, but it scares me. How can people expect kids under 16 to function like adults and face adult consequences? Or in one discussion they’re talking about kids who aren’t even physically developed asking for it. Girls holding very young girls responsible for slutty behavior. Men saying girls get what they ask for. It’s so animalistic, ignores human development and compassion, throws back society’s evolution.
You say they’re stupid. OK. But our kids and their have to live with them. They’re having kids and using these philosophies withthem, then we wonder why kid culture is such a mess.
Wow all I did was asked!!!
I was about to ask that question too. U look at this girls profile and what the students said that go to her school u cannot blame him for a question , it did come to mind.
any idea when eddie goes to trial
After everything thats come about, I really don’t see one.
There are better and more important stories and issues than this one. This story was instanily stale when the stories started changing and the parents and kids from the same school started talking. People get on with yourselves.
will there be a plea bargain, how much time you think
If u followed this case from the very start till now none
none what, time or plea bargain? What is the latest?
Ah, the knucklehead troupe returns…
There will be no plea bargain unless both families agree to one, and they will not. They have physical and recorded evidence of easy ed admitting to having sex with the 12 year old.
In eddie’s favor, he has a judge who has shown a history of leniency toward child molesters. However, judge padgett is retiring, probably before this case goes to trial. I would imagine the families will not agree to any plea bargain that does not guarantee child-raper eddie at least ten years served in the pen. BTW, ALL charges are still pending.
Also, the children eddie molested come from very upper middle-class families. Any “kids” feeding you with information obviously don’t know anything…
Sparky,
What came to light on all this and every thing in to consideration, I hate to burst your bubble but I even feel this is not going anywhere.
Its up to the state attn anyway.
I read on this sometimes, from start to finish, Get the kid some help and leave it up to the state. Its old .
Hi Jay,
The state attorney is pressing charges on all counts, and will make no plea agreement without consent of both sets of parents. Both of the little girls that ed victimized are in counseling. Not sure “what came to light” but it sounds like you are basing your innuendos on gossip from children. I guess in your mind, that is enough to exonerate ed however, the assault of little girls is a strict liability crime in Florida, with the only thing needed to be determined is a: did the act occur (it did) and, b: the amount of jail time. Ed will see some serious time in the penitentiary, if he is lucky. There are some really nasty people just laying low right now, waiting for the right opportunity to give ed some street justice.
Well sparky,
It is both factors kids and parents. Never said that I am not all for you. This stuff happens and should be put to the max. I have worked in with the state on these type cases. Since I run my own business. From what I see, don’t be disappointed in the outcome.
Thanks Jay. I guess I am sensitive because these people are friends, and I hate seeing all the mis-information. In any event, it will all work out just fine.
Sparky,
Sensitive, that is not it. Concern just like every other parent would be yes. Nobody is friends from what I know. I have kids. I would feel the same as u do maybe worse. But for now you should focus on your kid or kids and only have your immed family living in your house. Your family is the main focus.
There is no mis info. It just sounds like she was hanging with the wrong people or had the wrong friends. Instead of getting help for her help starts at home.
Jay,
I feel you are talking to a wall.
Cindy,
I was just saying it a nice way. What I was saying instead of dragging the girl through every mud puddle, this case will be open and shut case. I do want to say thank god this girl did not get killed. On the other hand it is a wake up call. I do believe there are more than just the 3 people. 2 kids one adult. I do look for the kids in every case.
Jay,
I did not say anything about what was being told. All I said was Sparky is only seeing the surface. When I said the wall.
Jay,
Did I not see that someone back on this page told you if your kid acts up and u do beat the shit out of him, it is illegal.
Cindy,
Why I said to Sparky about help starts from home. I do not believe in help. Most times they put kids on drugs. It should be instilled in the kids. You are talking about yesturday talks.
Why do you think the world is so fucked up. Back in the day you would not tell your dad or mom to fuck themselves. Back in the day parents would light in to their kids asses no matter where they are.
Did you have half the shit u have now?? NO!!!!
And we did not have all these drugs to help your kids.
Wow cindy, with all your wisdom what are you doing here? You should be giving talks to auditoriums full of people.
That’s because it’s easy to be a moral giant on a blog. I would bet donuts to dollars that you have had your issues too.
This is why I stopped paying attention to this board, because of morons like you. Ed will be brought to justice, the only question is how. And yes, the kid(s) were messed up but you don’t know chit about their situations.
So until you know the truth, why not prostelyze to your own dysfunctional family? I hear all about them from the other kids in the school, you know…
This is why I don’t work for the state. This is why if you are smart enough and take that chance you can make 6 figures. Most important you have something to keep in the family and pass along to your kids, so they do not have to work and live paycheck to paycheck. Worry about lay offs and etc.
Jay – surprise – I disagree with what you said about not having this kind of stuff back in the day – because it happened to me back in the day. Sex crimes have been going on since man has inhabited earth.
I believe what has happened is that there are so many more people, and every offender (like Ed) that has a victim, usually has many victims, and then some of the victims will abuse…and on and on it goes. Or, some of the victims will be perpetual victims, and on and on it goes.
I do agree that we did not tell our parents to go fuck themselves…but there were many father/son, mother/daugher, parent/child fights in households. Rebellion is not new either…
Not to mention the wonderful computer that brings all this and more into our homes.
What are you talking about
Yep,
Another one lost.
Yep,
Another one lost.
any idea when trial is
I HAVE KNOWN EDWORD FOR A LONG TIME AND HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO A CHILD GLOW UP PEOPLE HE LOVES KIDS HE HAS OLNY KID. AND HE NEVER TOUGH HIS CHILD SO WHAT MAKES YOU PEOPLE THINK HE DID THIS 12YEARSOLD GIRL I REALLY DONT THINK U PEOPLE KNOW ED LIKE I DO HE IS A REALLY GOOD GUY AND HE BEEN ALOULD MY KIDS AND NEVER TOUGH HER SHE 12 YEARS TO SO THIS ALL BULLSHIT
I HAVE KNOWN EDWORD FORYEARS AND I KNOW THAT HE WOULD NEVER EVER TOUGH A CHILD GLOWUP PEOPLE HE HIS OWN CHILD SO WHAT MAKES YOU PEOPLE THINK HE WOULD DO SOMETHING DUMB LIKE THat and been aould my sister kids with me and never tough them i really think thats girl mother needs her ass kick and why would a 12year have myspace anyways ed is very good men everyone is just looking at it wroge he did not do anything so back off him
no why mike
I wouldn’t say anything until we hear his side of the story…or the actual story….maybe the girl mulipilated or compelled him, I wouldn’t say its entirely his fault yet.
thank you flaeva
this all bullshit about ed it will be over with soon i hope so he can get on wish his life. and everyone get with ther lifes to edward is sweetheart i know dam well he did not do anything i he told me everything about it i beleave him with all my heart
hey mike i dont think ther will be no trial he did not do nything with that girl
hey mike i dont think ther will be no trial
mike do you know edward ?
laurie how do u know ed?/
i worked with ed, but he should have know better to get involved with young girls, even if he did noting, i have a 13 yr old daughter and if he was meeting up with her for any reason i would not know how i would react, a 37 yr old man has no business getting involved with young girls like that
I HAVE KNOWN EDWORD FOR A LONG TIME AND HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO A CHILD GLOW UP PEOPLE HE LOVES KIDS HE HAS OLNY KID. AND HE NEVER TOUGH HIS CHILD SO WHAT MAKES YOU PEOPLE THINK HE DID THIS 12YEARSOLD GIRL I REALLY DONT THINK U PEOPLE KNOW ED LIKE I DO HE IS A REALLY GOOD GUY AND HE BEEN ALOULD MY KIDS AND NEVER TOUGH HER SHE 12 YEARS TO SO THIS ALL BULLSHIT
Poor spelling.
All caps.
No puncuation.
AOL user.
I think that someone else needs to grow up.
This site is filled with people that supposedly are decent people. To the best of my knowledge only one was acquitted.
I THINK KIM NEEDS TO BE WITH THE SICKOOOOO
The only way there will be no trial is if slimeball ed pleads guilty. I’ve heard his tape recording with the 12 year old, about her giving him head and other graphic details. Ed better pack his toothbrush when he goes to trial, and I would bet he does not get out in one piece. And if, God forbid, he does somehow escape, I would not want to be ed. A lot of people are watching this and if he somehow slides through there will be some street justice on ed’s face, and possibly his family too…
Hey kimberly,
ed is a deviant sexual predator. He has admitted on tape to all of his crimes, and there is lots of evidence. He knowingly had sex with a 12 year old, and was coming back for seconds. I really hope someone gets their hands on him in prison and shows ed what it feels like to “have trouble getting it inside of you” as ed put it on his tape recorded calls to the HCSO.
Ed is toast. And so is anyone who hangs too close to him. There are some really nasty people who are watching this case, and ed, as we speak. Ed would be better off offing himself…
Hey kimberly,
ed is a deviant sexual predator. He has admitted to all of his crimes, and there is lots of evidence. He knowingly had sex with a 12 year old, and was coming back for seconds. I really hope someone gets their hands on him in prison and shows ed what it feels like to “have trouble getting it inside of you” as ed put it on his tape recorded calls to the HCSO.
Ed is toast. And so is anyone who hangs too close to him. There are some really nasty people who are watching this case, and ed, as we speak. Ed would be better off offing himself…
And anyone who thinks ed didn’t do this before, many times? I have some real estate to sell you… According to the professionals, based on how ed “groomed” the little girls, he was a smoothie… clearly having done this many times before.
LOL, wait until his recording and text messages come out… all you morons who believe his lies, I wonder what you will do then? Go back to blaming the little girls?
any news lately on ed
MIKE AND OTHERS: I wanted to allay all of your concerns. ALL of the charges against child rapist ed are STILL PENDING. AND, the parents of the children have made it clear to the prosecutor’s office that no plea bargain is acceptable. Evidence against this subhuman includes DNA (he ejaculated on the children’s clothing), text messages, and recordings of the lowlife describing in detail his sexual encounter with the 12 year old little girl. They are warming up a special cell for this POS right now in Raysford, where he won’t last long. It will just be a matter of time before another prisoner performs some additional justice on this creep, as child rapists are known to be in special jeopardy in the prison population.
I have to laugh as my husband works with the police dept. In fact my kids go to the same Middle school. There is no DNA or juice or anything like that. Why would you say that Mr. Reese. aka sparky. There is no such thing. I read the report. It says they tested spots and all things to that nature. Clothes etc. I think this is a cry for help on the parents part. I even read on here someone called him Mr. Newton. This is not the childs last name . This is really sad the parents would say things like this when there was no cum stains or DNA anywere. Had me very concerned and like reading into things that hit close to home. Lets not make and believe. The sad part is it is the parents too. My kids would be instructed to stay a way from the kid and her parents. Just wanted to straighten out the lies
Janet,
Friend of ed the pervert, are you? And who is Newton or Reese? Well, your “friend the cop” is misinformed – and so are you. And my kids would also be instructed to stay away from you and your trailer trash family. Clearly you didn’t pass middle school, judging by your grammar…
Comforting that an officer would be sharing that info, if you were telling the truth… based on your info, however, it’s clear you are lying. In any event, I’ll forward this to the HCSO so they can determine if any deputies would share info with a civilian.
Why don’t you check with the prosecutor’s office? Pervert ed is facing a bunch of hard time…
Janet,
Even though your info is incorrect, I forwarded your note to the lead detective in the case. An allegation that a police officer is sharing police reports regarding a sexual assault on a 12 year old is disturbing. He said they are considering tracking you down via your email address and ISP. If your husband really is a police officer, he may be suspended and/or terminated.
Thanks for the info!
oh snap!
I called it from the start. Why blow it up bigger than what it really is.
Janet – whether what you have written is true or not, Sparky needs to get a life. He chooses to attack people personally when they don’t agree with what he has to say.
You know Sparky – there is a better way to communicate with people.
I know these people. Their lives were greatly affected by this and you people say it is not a big deal. Maybe it isn’t to you but if it were your child it would be. So yes, I take it personally. Especially when there are lies.
Jay, what have you called? You pretty much said it didn’t happen, if I remember correctly. Well, things are moving forward. The only thing that can save ed from prison is if judge padgett hears the case. He is notoriously lenient on child molesters. But he is scheduled to retire before the case is heard. If ed’s attorney delays the case in any way, the chances are better they will be heard by a judge who takes child rape more seriously. It is a foregone conclusion that he is guilty, he admitted everything on his taped phone calls to the 12 year old little girl he molested.
I knew it was a bunch of shit from the start. That is all the media is these days. Jay is there anything on this case. Everyone stopped talking about it. Even on the lounge. Speak Jay
I knew it was a bunch of shit from the start. That is all the media is these days. Jay is there anything on this case. Everyone stopped talking about it. Even on the lounge. Speak Jay
It seemed far fetched, and with no DNA its not going far. People like to make and stretch things a bit. This was stretch way too far. The sad thing is these are adults taken it out of context. If there is a serious case, and people need to take it seriously they might not. Thats really sad for people who have kids. Tell it like it is.
Mike and Jay,
Then why haven’t charges been dropped? All charges are pending. You geniuses can believe what you want.
Ed would be far better off pleading guilty. Or offing himself. Because if for some unknown reason he skates, it will be bad for him. Very bad. He will wish he was never born. So will his girlfriend and children.
Child rapist ed knows the truth. He admitted it. In your mind, how do you reconcile the fact that he was caught coming backfor a second round of sex with the TWELVE YEAR OLD?
Or that he is recorded talking about their first encounter, or that he told her he wanted her to shave her pubic hair? All recorded. What is your explaination for that?
I’ve been considering what kind of creepy individuals would defend somebody like ed. I am guessing they have to either be molesters themselves, or friends of the molesters. Anyone who would defend ed, or try to justify his child raping ways is nothing but the lowest form of life.
Individuals like jay, mike, janet and kimberly. I am guessing they are all either molesters themselves, or friends of the molester. Maybe you can all get together and share your molestation stories. Or blame some children for what you, or your friends, have done. You lowlife creeps.
Sparky – is this guy still in jail? Has a court date been set? How do you know what is on the recordings?
If what you are saying is true, this man should be locked up forever. If he is not locked up and doesn’t receive any type of treatment, and something else happens to another child, then the state that locked him up should be held accountable for releasing him.
What does all of this sexual deviation and dysfunction say about our society? We seem to keep creating them. Castration does not help. Rehabilitation works in specific cases. We do not have enough in the way of research that tells us who will commit these types of crimes, and never stop.
An interesting article about teens and sex –
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/07/08/tee…
These girls will need years of therapy.
ed should save the state all the money and blow his fucking brain in, if what sparky is saying is all true with the recordings
Any Judge is going to look for DNA. Rape kit anything. There is nothing except talk. Even I am starting to think that is blown up bigger than it is. Anyone can talk but something has to place him on evid. I was following and stopped , because the media and sparky was so full of shit. Being upset is one thing. Saying there is evid and DNA is another. Thats just wrong. I was wondering why he was let go in the beginning. And still out. Now I know this was blown way out from the start. Good luck….
Laurie
You made some good points. And you are very right. The state would be responsible for him if there was this hard evid against him and he was still out on bail. Recording are not hard evid. That is why maybe this is hitting the bottom in a building block for the state. Who knows, who cares………….
Absolutely true. And if what the prosecutors office says is true, there is DNA evidence. On the little girls clothes…
He is out on bail, all ten felony charges are still pending. And I have listened to the recordings. They are chilling. He converses with the 12 year old like she is his girlfriend. She asks if she is going to get pregnant and he says no, I pulled out. She asks if the BJ was good and he says it was great. And he tells her he wants her to shave her pubic hair. This is a 12 year old, and he knows it.
Ed knows it, and I think his buddies jay and kimberly know it too. Ed needs to take his own life. Things are going to get very bad for him, and those around him. There are some very bad people in Hillsborough County and Pinellas County who are waiting to see how this plays out. If ed for any reason walks, well… I really hope his buddies jay and kimberly are around when it goes down. I would be happy if they were “collateral damage”…
Jay,
I never knew you were friends with this guy. Just kidding. This guy was full of shit from the start. He should work for Hillsborgh sheriff dept. This is the 3 rd case in a month they are full of shit.
Jay,
I never knew you were friends with this guy. Just kidding. This guy was full of shit from the start. He should work for Hillsborgh sheriff dept. This is the 3 rd case in a month they are full of shit.
J
I never knew you were friends with this guy. Just kidding. This guy was full of shit from the start. He should work for Hillsborgh sheriff dept. This is the 3 rd case in a month they are full of shit.
J
I never knew you were friends with this guy. Just kidding. This guy was full of shit from the start. He should work for Hillsborgh sheriff dept. This is the 3 rd case in a month they are full of shit.
I happen to notice this article while looking at some of the information on this article. Does it matter what this guy said. No. Does it matter if this guy blew a wade all over this kid. Yes. As I am reading all this, and now I know where all my tax money goes. If there was physical DNA this guy would be back behind bars. Bail would be revoked. I seen cases like this. I even saw conversations on the lounge. Even some of the parents said this kid needed some better parents. I take it Jay and Mike you had comments on here. I seen your comments other places. As for kicking a dead horse……………………
Some people are like the media. They add to things that make it a bigger picture and more of a topic. I have a bridge to sell 40,000 . Well do you believe me?? I said it.
Kerry, I can’t even tell your position because your posts make no sense. Can you get a third-grader to proof-read them for you? All charges still pending, by the way.
I read this from the top to the bottom. This is a true Jerry Springer take from the start. People can say anything they want. But evidence has got to be there. Is this all this is She said he said. We live in a world with screwed up kids and adults. Adults are more screwed up then the kids. Just read this whole page and come up with your own opinion.
There is no DNA. Like Jay said before, going to be very unhappy with the turn out. Unless there is physical evidence, which would of came out in the paper. I honestly think you need to get all the facts from state attn office. Read what everyone says. Not just me and Jay. What I am trying to say if the judge had the paperwork supporting this, the state would prove this guy needs not to be out, a threat to every one, and that would be all the proof needed. It would be in the paper and this guy would be locked up. I hate to say because it involves children, but u are going to look like an ass in the end. This case is old and they need to end it. More important cases need more attn than this one.
Look, you guys can defend your butt buddy ed until you are blue in the face, but you need to ask yourselves the following questions:
1. Why was ed engaging in sexual solicitation with two little girls via MySpace and cell phone texts?
2. Why did ed pick two little girls up in a park after midnight, and then why did he drive them to a remote parking lot?
3. Why did ed continue to text sexual conversations with the little girls AFTER his initial meeting with them?
4. Why does ed say, in a conversation recorded by the HCSO, that the blowjob by the 12 year old was great, for her not to worry because she will not get pregnant, for her to shave her pubic hair for their next meeting, and more?
5. What was ed doing back at the same park that Friday, after arranging the meeting with the 12 year old, which was recorded by the HCSO?
First you blamed the little girls
Next you blamed the parents
Now you say it is a flimsy case that never happened.
There is plenty of factual evidence for ed to go to jail for a long time. Once in prison, someone will kill ed. If he happens to slither out of this, someone will get him on the outside.
Ed should do the world a favor and just off himself. Maybe he can take a few of you with him, you slimeballs.
This thread is a perfect example of this country being plagued with sensationalizm. ‘Most’ of you, drooling over this, are no less sick than this idiot. Pathetic!!!
Why is everyone this guys friend. Sparky u really need to read the comments from top to the bottom. Ya all that looks bad if thats the case. But u have to link with some sort of evidence. Without any its going nowhere. Its time to leave this at this. If this guy is out from experience, and has not went back to jail, then he is not going back. The state attn has got to have some kid of DNA from the F.D.L.E. From what the parents wrote from this kids school and even some kids were able to get on the lounge at that time. Just saying it is blown up bigger than what it is. If the girl was tied up and DNA was found, U would so much have a case. I am sure this is not at the top of the state attn case. Good luck…………. And as for what psychosomatic said he is right, Its nothing to drool over.
Jay,
If u are still on this send me a instant message. As for the case its old and who cares.
Jay,
If u are still on this send me a instant message. As for the case its old and who cares.
Sounds like the kid was messed up to begin with and needed better parenting. It is old and washed up.
This is more of a funny case, than real.
Hard to say what is more disturbing, the rape of these children by ed or the attitude of losers like bob and cindy. Clearly they are pals of child-molester ed. We’ll just wait for things to shake out and see where things fall. My guess is ed will see some hard time and be labeled a perdator for the rest of his life. And be a known liar by his fiancee, stepkids and friends. And eventually he’ll get some payback, in prison or out. Maybe bob or cindy will be around to get some too. Cyber cowards who attack child victims crack me up…
ed can end this whole thing by telling the truth and killing himself. He needs to off himself. Save the world the expense of trying and imprisoning him. He is a child rapist and needs to die, preferably by his own hand. Do the world a favor ed, and off yourself. The world will be a much better place. Just think, no matter what happens your life will be miserably once your girlfriend, your mommy and friends find out the truth. It will follow you everywhere. You’ll never be able to get a job, you’ll have to register everywhere you live, and worse of all, you’ll always have to look over your shoulder because you know it’s coming, you just don’t know where and when…
So just do it ed!
“Do we have any recourse against MySpace? Are they allowed to be a supermarket for predators like this?”
I despise these people are much as you do, but what exactly do you have to gain by suing the internet? Is this just an attempt to cash in or is it genuine?
I think this sick 37 year old would be molesting 12 year olds even if Myspace never existed, only he’d be more likely to get away with it because there would be no papertrail and no evidence.
There is nothing we can do to stop this beyond keeping 12 year olds off social networking sites. There is no excuse for allowing 12 year olds to mingle with 37 year olds on a dating site like Myspace. Facebook is part of the problem too, in their attempt to be greedy they changed their site from being a site which only allowed college students to being a site filled with childrens profiles.
If you truly want to sue the site, something needs to be done to keep children off of dating sites, children do not belong on Myspace or Facebook anymore than they belong in casinos and bars.
Dear Sparky,
I was just going off this whole page I read. I am no friend or sticking up for anybody. I feel u are lost. This guy would be behind bars on his first 2 court hearings. Just saying stuff is not enough. Are we all lost or is there a DNA link to him. If that is a fact I personally would be asking questions on why he is not behind bars. From what I saw, I can say honestly not to burst the bubble, but u are pissing in the wind. Good luck!!!
I am a regular her on mycrimespace. I agree that the internet is a dangerous place and I would no sooner drop my 13 yo daughter off in a dark city alley than allow her on the internet unsupervised.
with that said, myspace is a tool that predators use to hook up with their victims. if it wasnt myspace it would be some other site. i do not believe myspace is at fault nor should it be demonized. kids need to be educated and monitored on internet safety. i allow my 13 yo daughter to have a myspace. this does not make me a bad parent.
it is private, noone not on her friend list can contact her, there are strict rules about who can be on her friend list. i must know them before they can be accepted as friends. no bands, no fan pages. i have the password and closely monitor all correspondance as well as her friends bulletins and profiles. if i see something questionable i am the 1st one to inform another parent.
myspace is an effective tool for her to keep in contact with her friends and family spread through the US.
my daughter may not always like the lack of privacy but she has the option to choose not to have a myspace. if she wants access to these sites then the condition is full disclosure to her parents. I also have spyware on her PC that records every keystroke and page visited.
my methods may be extreme, but i am not too lazy to parent my child. teach her right from wrong, and protect her.
she also visits pages like this with me so that she is aware of the predators out there who have the advantage over her because of her innocent and naivety.
also… trench are jay, mike and mike, chris and n/a all from the same IP?? lol. they seem to have the same bad grammar and stupidity.
It’s possible Jacki but I’ve basically stopped paying attention to this thread since it was overrun by sexual offender defenders.
What ? Not sticking up for anyone. My IP is my Email. My own email only. Just going off what I read and what I know from the chat lounge. Some parents told and showed what was going on. That why it was a hot topic. It seems anger ruin the common sense part. There is much more I feel. I feel alot of bullshit on the media part and this site misleading the suppose victims parents. I been on these sites for 4 years as I have seen and heard it all. The case is boring.
I have kids. If It was my kid , I would should see through any bullshit. I hope all the people that came forward is full of it. Back in the middle of all this TRENCH you wanted to change it to the guy went to have sex. Before it was he had sex and had all his DNA. Some of your cases in the past really amounted down to is the story just way blown up. Just tell the facts. Readers respect it more. Some of the parents kids that go to the same school had a totally different side and one of them posted her myspace saying she was 19 with a bunch of gang stuff in it. Not going to get myself in the middle , but all you have to do is tell me were to email it too. I hear people in the beginning of all this asking about a way to sue myspace. Its just not the case.
But I am sure most cases are. Just need to get all facts than half of them.
Jay,
Did u not read jackie comment. There is so much bullshit on this.
God, What a bunch of shit. Everything changed while reading each one of this comments. There is more important cases at hand. I did see were they changed the story lines. That was really sad for the writer to blow it up. The truth at first hand is always best.
Well,
I do not sit and stare at my fingers typing Jackie. And this is not work related. Also I will say what I have to say. Put it together. You seem like a real sack of potato’s. So does the twisting of this story TRENCH
You guys are really entertaining. But reading comprehension, much like grammar and spelling, is not your best feature…
After contacting the children via MySpace and text messaging, sleazebag pervert child molester ed met the little girls, had sex with them, then went on his way.
Ed then made arrangements to meet the 12 year old again for a second molestation and sexual battery against a child. The HCSO recorded his conversations and waited for degenerate ed at the meeting place.
ed showed up at the place and the HCSO took him down. Plenty of evidence to convict him of all counts, including his own words describing his sexual encounter with the 12 year old.
ed is a monster and all of you that defend ed are lowlife scum. I guess you all believe it is okay to lure and have sex with little girls. I hope it happens to your kids. Then we’ll see how you feel…
Put the picture together and read everything. Stop over reacting. This is a sad case. For the story teller, for the parents , for the guy, for the kids. Its old and time to get to more serious things. Next time when parents and other read make sure u stick to one story. Don’t change the headlines in the middle to fit or refit the crime. If there was any.
Mikey, you are a sick and twisted individual. Are you also a child rapist? Sorry for ed? Are you kidding? The only facts that changed are in your small mind. ed will get his. I really hope you are there when this rapist of children gets it because you deserve it too.
Mikey, are you ed’s friend from gibsonton? The place he planned on bringing the 12 year old the day he got taken down by the HCSO? Because I know the HCSO would like to talk to you too. Or if you have little kids, maybe you would like ed to babysit for you.
I don’t think anyone said anything about being this guys friend. This guy sparky looks like a real nut job. I was reading into this and I can tell why certain people have certain views.
simon, anyone who shows any sympathy for slimeball child rapists like ed deserves all the misery that life can dish them. I am very close to this case and I can tell you that both sets of parents will not be satisfied until ed is safely incarcerated and labeled as a predator for the rest of his life. There can be no lower form of life than a 38 year old who trolls for children and lures them for sex.
Good luck !!!!!!!!!!!
I have to agree with Mike @ Mike , I have kids and its not Mike that is twisted. Its the changes in the headline and the story its self. I read back to Jan this year I guess it happen. If there is nothing hard to get him and time that went by, He is never going to jail. Follow cases like this and your not going to get the results you want.
The same shit get’s old. Why don’t every one find something of more interest. Like some one said before me.
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