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White’s lawyers appeal to Mo. Supreme Court

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Lawyers take school shooting case to Mo. Supreme Court:

The lawyers for Thomas White are appealing to the Missouri Supreme Court to have White tried as a juvenile.

Public defenders said Monday they have appealed to reverse a lower court’s July decision that Thomas White, 14, should be tried as an adult. He faces four felony counts related to the school shooting last October and a charge of attempted escape from juvenile custody.

White was 13 at the time of the shooting at Memorial Middle School.

Nobody was injured when White allegedly fired a single shot into the ceiling. Prosecutors allege that White repeatedly tried to shoot the school’s principal but that the gun jammed.

The public defenders are just delaying the inevitable. Now all court proceedings will be postponed until the state supreme court issues a decision or reverts the case back to a lower court. My prediction is that the Missouri Supreme Court will more than likely refuse to hear the case.

If they do hear the case I’m sure they’ll get a bunch of tear-stained letters from suburban housewives who think no teen is capable of murder. Just on that possibility alone, I wouldn’t hear the case if I was a Justice.

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106 responses to “White’s lawyers appeal to Mo. Supreme Court”

  1. Kenny Avatar
    Kenny

    Demanded money?

    What to buy drugs?

    But then again if it was his own family and friends that was killed, would he still be a sick bastard and scum?

    From So sue me Ryan for telling the truth of what you are

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  2. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    he brought a gun to school and fired it … his intent doesn’t override his actions.

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  3. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    He fired it at the ceiling, you generally don’t kill people when you fire a gun at the ceiling. There is no evidence that he ever pulled the trigger at the principal, even the principal admits that he does not know (how the prosecutors can know otherwise is beyond me but needless to say they will have a hard time proving it beyond reasonable doubt in court when the principal even admits he does not know.)

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  4. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    P.S. Trench just so you know that newspaper article lied in another area. It said he faces blended sentencing if convicted, as it is now blended sentencing is only a possibility not a sure thing. I just love it when our media lies to us.

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  5. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    The paragraph before is what worries me. Though I am suprised that you have not argued that he must have tried to shoot people. That is a first for you.

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  6. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    “I’m sure they’ll get a bunch of tear stained letters from suburban housewives…”

    Ol’ Bryan (not now Mom! I’m stimming!) will be sending letters too, but stained with tears, semen and failure.

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  7. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    From the article:

    The court could sentence White jointly to the Department of Corrections and the Division of Youth Services

    I fail to see “the lie”.

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  8. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    “you are a homo who’s suicide I would like to see on ogrish”

    Dayam.

    Also remember, they can’t see that you’re a cutter if you are wearing a fur suit.

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  9. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    [img]http://tinyurl.com/2uerps[/img]

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  10. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Then let him be charged with what he did Jim, not with assult or attempted murder like you have argued before. Firing a gun into the ceiling and not hurting anyone does not amount to first degree assult. And certainly does not amount to adult certification.

    The question is do you think a developmentaly delayed 13 year old is really an adult? Do you think a 13 year old is an adult at all? Would you trust a 13 year old of any kind to vote? Would you trust him to drink, to smoke, to drive? Hell if he would have stopped going to the school that he considered so bad he would have still gotten in trouble because we deem that he is not old enough to do that.

    By law he can’t even understand sex or at least consent to it (yes I know there will be a pedo joke about that, should be funny) but yet he is deemed old enough to fully understand the reaction of shooting a gun into a ceiling. Let him be charged, but let him be charged as a child until you give him, and all others of his age, all the rights we generally associate with adulthood. Until then he is a kid, call me retarded all you want but don’t even pretend he is an adult.

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  11. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Lol, are you still obsessed with me. I know I am bi and all but I do have standards and I don’t think you will fit in with them. Sorry.

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  12. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    http://www.justiceforjuveniles.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=5220 As long as we are sharing pictures look there at the boy you think is an adult. He really looks like an adult in that picture.

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  13. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Then he should have stuck to fishing instead of bringing a gun to school.

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  14. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    So actions determine if one is an adult or not?

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  15. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Make that, actions alone determine if one is an adult or not.

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  16. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    In my opinion the crime does.

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  17. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    So why don’t we charge 8 year olds as adults when they commit the same crime? If actions alone determine if one is an adult or not why do we have the juvenile system handle any cases like this?

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  18. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Here we go again with the 8-year-olds. It’s almost like you have an obsession with them.

    Show me an 8-year-old that committed intentional homicide and I’ll let you know if he/she should be tried as an adult.

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  19. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Thomas is not being charged with intentional homicide now is he. Stop going off topic, man its annoying. But you must be kidding me if A) you think they don’t exist and B) you think they aren’t kids tried with first degree assult. Now should they be charged as an adult, the crime alone determine if they are an adult or not, your words not mine.

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  20. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    White’s intent was to kill. Again show me an 8-year-old charged with intent to kill or killing. If there’s so many it shouldn’t be too hard now should it?

    Plus I believe there are these things called “laws”, maybe you’ve heard of them, that prevent 8-year-olds from being tried as adults.

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  21. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    How do you know what White’s intention was? He shot at the ceiling. Now something tells me even if he had never shot a gun before he could aim it slight better then at the ceiling. Though we both know it will be hard because they would have been certified as kids and records would be sealed.

    And actually several states have no min. age for certification as adults, so yes 8 year olds could be tried as adults. I believe Djinn Buckingham was only 11 when he was certified at least temporarily as an adult(though I am not sure, everyone has dropped his case for some reason.)

    Though once again you dodged the question, the question is do you feel that an 8 year old tried with first degree assult involving a deadly weapon should be tried as an adult?

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  22. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/pubs/tryingjuvasadult/appendix.html

    Before you ask check out that site, New Mexico is one example of a state that does not have a min age if you want one. And if you want to go by what most states do, most states have the age at 14, older then Thomas White.

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  23. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Buckingham did not intentionally start the fire with the purpose to kill if he is to be believed.

    White on the other hand procured a gun, loaded the gun, brought the gun to school, discharged the gun in the school, and tried to fire the gun had it not jammed, and tried to clear the jam but couldn’t.

    But I’m sure you still won’t be able to see the difference.

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  24. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Pwnd. So Bryan, what do your l33t debate skillz say you do when faced with overwhelming facts?

    Do you
    1- namecall?
    2- Change topic to irrelevant subject
    3- backpedal
    4- whine about the unfairness of it
    5- attempt to confuse the issue with useless arguments

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  25. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    6- Wet the bed.

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  26. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    LOL, winner.

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  27. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Thank you. *bows* It’s very rare I can go 1 up on you. *lol*

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  28. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Well, what do you know? I was mistaken and I’m happy about it. 🙂 Now if only more kids would be tried as adults maybe their dumbass parents would finally wake up.

    Let’s look at Missouri’s shall we…

    Missouri

    Lower Age: None specified

    Upper Age: 16

    Discretionary Waiver Mo. Stat., Tit. XII, Sec. 211.071

    Upon its own motion or that of any party in the case of a child of at least 12 accused of a felony, the juvenile court may order a hearing to consider whether to dismiss the delinquency petition and transfer the child for adult prosecution. (However, the court must at least hold a hearing to consider transfer where the child is accused of one of a number of listed offenses—first or second degree murder, first degree assault, forcible rape, forcible sodomy, first degree robbery, or distribution of drugs—or has committed two or more previous felonies.) Before the hearing, a written report on the child ‘s history, record, offense, rehabilitation prospects, etc., must be prepared for the juvenile court’s consideration. Following the hearing, the court may dismiss the case to permit adult prosecution if it finds that the child is not a proper subject to be dealt with under the juvenile law, taking into account a number of determinative considerations (including “racial disparity in certification”) specified by law. An order of dismissal to permit adult prosecution must be supported by written findings.

    Offense Category Minimum Age Offense Detail

    Certain Felonies 12 Any felony.

    Once an Adult, Always Mo. Stat., Tit. XII, Sec. 211.071

    Once the juvenile court has dismissed a petition to permit prosecution of a child as an adult, its jurisdiction over that child with respect to future offenses is forever terminated, unless the child is subsequently found not guilty in adult court.

    So according to Missouri law, an 8-year-old can be tried as an adult for first-degree assault. Depending on the severity of the damage I have no problem with that.

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  29. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    You namecall more then anyone else and you have never once engaged in serious debate. I just proved Trench wrong about an arguement and you are acting like I lost a debate. Also Trench, by insulting 1 person that wet the bed you insult a good % of the population of America. Not to mention you are doing what Belch warned against. Is it only when I namecall that it is noticed?

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  30. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Then I say give them the right to vote. If they can understand crimes then they can certainly understand the right to vote. Let them drink and smoke while they are at it.

    Though once again prove that he tried to fire the gun at someone. You can prove the gun jammed, I get that, but you can’t prove he intentionally tried to kill someone. Now stop making up shit and debate me on the basis of the facts not on what you feel or what you believe happened.

    The difference I see is that Buckingham killed someone and his actions could have easily killed someone. White on the other hand fired a gun into a ceiling so while a freak accident could have killed someone nothing else could have.

    You posted on here a while back about a guy who brought a gun to school, fired it into the ceiling, then shot himself. That goes to show you that there are other legimate reasons you would shoot a gun into the ceiling. Like as White has maintained (at least as much as his lawyers have allowed) that his only intention in bringing a loaded gun to school and shooting it off was to get expelled.

    Unless you can prove that he pulled the trigger when it was pointed at someone you have nothing then your own beliefs, and those won’t get you far in court.

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  31. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    The winner is numbah 5- Attempt to confuse the topic with useless arguments.

    “Then I say give them the right to vote.”

    You crazy liberals are always trying to figure out how to get criminals to vote, aren’t ya?

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  32. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Do adults not get the right to vote, and I am hardly liberal. Most topics I am quite conservative. Though I love how you totally ignored 4/5 of my post, yet when I choose to concentrate on a specific part of Trenchs post I am going off topic. Nice aint it.

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  33. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    I don’t namecall, I point out facts- such as you are a bedwetting failure. You would like to go out with girls, but they are repulsed by you so you figure on giving cock-gobbling a try, but you can’t ’cause the guys think you’re too ugly.

    You could always sign up to be an intern for Senator Larry Craig. But you will have to learn to pee in bathrooms, not the bed. Senator Craig likes teh cock in the bathroom. And if your mouth isn’t full you can then ask him to let 8-year olds vote.

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  34. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    And it is more about giving 13 year olds the right to vote anyway, I could care less if you choose not to give it to Thomas but at least give it to 13 year olds with clean records.

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  35. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    “The boy already had discharged the weapon once in the school, and Gilbreth suspected the boy was trying to fire it at him at that time but ‘wasn’t really sure,’”. Unless suspicions now amount to all reasonable doubt you have no proof that he did what you say he did.

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  36. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    LOL. Tell you what. You get 2/3rds of the states of the Union and 2/3rds of congress to agree and you can amend the constitution. Until then, familiarize yourself with the 26th amendment.

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  37. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Once again you prove your own ignorance when trying to sound smart. But it is kindof funny to watch you try. You obviously know nothing of the American government. 3/4 of states have to pass an amendment (assuming it starts the normal way, if not 3/4 of congress had to pass it.) Granted most Americans wouldn’t know that but it still is funny.

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  38. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    You have to get 2/3rds before you get 3/4ths. Dick.

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  39. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Lol but you said 3/4 in both areas, you said and not or. Showing that you had no clue it was 3/4 to begin with. Now I could call you dick too, but that sounds like something 8 year olds trying to sound mature say to make fun of people. Granted its better then your 5 year old name calling exercises.

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  40. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Make that 2/3 in both areas.

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  41. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    HEY POT!!!! Stop calling the kettle black you freaking idiot. Is your memory affected by your mental mutation? Or are you one of those people that only remembers and sees what others do with absolute obliviousness to your own pottisness (or kettleishness whatever the case may be)? LOL…your indignant self-righteousness is hillarious. You are SO fucking clueless, you don’t realize that the REASON people talk to you and treat you the way they do here, is because you have ALWAYS first set the bar yourself. Then you get all menopausal when you get treated the same way. “Lifelong Victim”…sad sad sad. I would tell you to grow a pair but….well :-O

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  42. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    here is a shocker, firing a gun into the ceiling of a school after making treats with it *is* attempted murder. Threatening a person with a loaded weapon *is* assault, stupid.

    anyone who thinks they are big enough to decide the fate of another’s life, is big enough for the consequences … I don’t give a fuck about their brain.

    after his decision, he gets to wait much much longer to vote and drive.

    everything else you said is simpleton speak because you are trying to associate the old military/drinking age argument with attempted murder/ smoking a cigarette.

    he is not physically an adult, but he made a grown up decision and should be rewarded with a grown up punishment.

    …and you are still retarded.

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  43. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    the truth slowly unfolds.
    first he wants a hottie, now he is bi … next week he will be out of the closet and sucking guys off to photos like the one I posted below.

    -OR-

    Enders is *so* retarded that he doesn’t really know what “bi” means. He probably thinks that “bi” means he likes men and boys.

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  44. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    *YES !!*

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  45. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    He does have an obsession with them.

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  46. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    No, *I* “name call” you are STILL here because Belch likes verbally crushing you with facts and embarrassing you with knowledge.

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  47. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    [img]http://a660.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/l_4bcc5f59c61d5c0a4e1837ea1ba07b23.jpg[/img]

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  48. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Who first brought up that I was bi? Hint, it wasn’t me. How did that fact get brought up? If I remember correctly someone went around searching for my name on other forums. How was it first brought up that I had asperger’s? Who really started with the name calling? Hint it wasn’t me. What is the worst thing that I have ever called you Belch Jim or Trench that you havent already called me? I believe it is you that has the memory problems, though thats okay though.

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  49. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    “Who first brought up that I was bi? Hint, it wasn’t me.”

    *Yes it was too you. You wrote it yourself on the internet.*

    “If I remember correctly someone went around searching for my name on other forums.

    *Heh. So I have weaponized google? ROFL*

    “How was it first brought up that I had asperger’s?”

    *Again, you wrote it yourself on the internet, and introduced yourself to me on my blog by claiming that you were autistic, friendless and ‘does that make you a loser?’*

    You shouldn’t have tried to be such a bigshot loudmouth, faking autism as a way to give yourself moral superiority and immunity to criticism of your whackjob notions and beliefs.

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  50. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    I want weaponized google. 😛

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  51. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    How was it first brought up that I had asperger’s?

    But without wasting time on it I believe it was you about John Odgren.

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  52. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    See…there is your problem in a nutshell. I wasn’t aware that you made the rules. So you call me a name…I’m allowed to call you a name back as long as it isn’t a worse name that what you called me? Get the fuck out of elementary school dumbass.

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  53. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    No but you shouldn’t call me “the pot” when in fact you are much darker then me and much much much more childish then me. I have already shown you the only opinions about me I care about, why do you still offer yours.

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  54. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    See Enders…all you have to do is go back and look. I don’t have to…I have a memory like a freaking elephant : )

    You are just oblivious to the fact that YOU started calling names first. You’re just pissed because you set the bar but the other competitors jumped higher and raised it and now you’re crying because you can’t jump that high.

    And yep…YOU brought up your ass-pergers. I don’t really care about your’s or anyone elses sexual confusion so…who cares how it came up.

    Keep playing the victim…always a victim aren’t we Enders?

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  55. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Excuse me but I believe it’s AssBurgers. 😛

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  56. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    The official aspergers page is here:
    http://tinyurl.com/2ashol

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  57. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    I never claimed to be anything but bi, if you look at the post Belch read to come up with the fact that I am into boys it quite clearly says I am bi. In fact in several other posts here I talked about being into girls. You need to learn to read better me thinks.

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  58. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Find a post where I started the name calling, if you have a memory like a freaking elephant it shouldn’t be too hard. I would have to look at every post to find where the namecalling started, you would only have to look at one Mr. Elephant. And I brought up asperger’s to explain how one with it could kill without meaning too. Once again I have already shown you the opinions about me that I care about, why do you keep offering yours?

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  59. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Dude, that’s so easy. Here you are showing what a failure you are when it comes to arguments.

    http://tinyurl.com/2akfrk

    I am using my weaponized google again.

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  60. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    LOL first post that game up there you called me a pedophile long before I called you anything.

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  61. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    I certainly think it shows a clear pattern on this blog and others where you like to bandy about the nazi word and compare people to Hitler.

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  62. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    LOL but it doesn’t show that me calling people Nazis happened before they started engaging in name calling with me. The main reason I never called people nazis was they were making fun of my asperger’s and me being bi. Therefore the whole idea of me calling people Nazi’s being the figurative first shot is faulty as me calling people Nazi’s was made in retaliation. Try again.

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  63. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Sigh.
    You don’t have aspergers, Bryan. The good folks over at Hating Autism pwn3d you on that fact by outing you for the liar you are.

    And you have to get laid the first time by someone to be considered anything other than the virgin you are.

    But since you keep bringing it up, which do you look forward to the most about chugging your first cock? The smell or the taste?

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  64. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    That would be easy…you started the name calling in the VERY FIRST response you made to a comment I made about no individual…but you immediately took upon yourself to call me an asshole 🙂

    So there you go leaky…or twink…or mutant…or mental defect…or whatever you answer to. I guess if I was REALLY industrious, I would go find the thread….but I just don’t care enough to go do that. Now go take your meds, change your depends, or better yet…do what I do. See…when I happen onto a forum and realize that the vast majority of people are idiots and assholes…I leave. I have no desire to deal with it usually. Now…OBVIOUSLY, YOU think we are all idiots and assholes….you know what the solution is. If you stick around, then take the abuse you’ve earned when YOU start name calling (and then crying like a little twink bitch when it comes back at you 10 fold) and quit bitching that everyone else isn’t playing by “Ender’s Rules” of “you can’t say anything worse than me until I say it about you”….for god’s sake.

    What a little bitch you are. Do you have testicles? Do they produce testosterone? Will you be able to reproduce if they ever figure out how to make asshole babies? And how do you decide who gets to be the bitch? And what if you’ve got a chick involved a threesome and she’s a dyke? Do you and your boyfriend BOTH get to be bitches? That could very well be a gaggle of bitches. Is “gaggle” the proper term to use for a group of bitches? These and other burning questions will NEVER be answered I hope.

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  65. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    I have never had sex with a boy or a girl. Therefore I am a total virgin and not gay by your defination. Just thought I should point it out. If you can find evidence to the contray (a post by me saying otherwise for example) I would be more then happy to read it.

    If you would have stayed on that thread a little longer (or paid attenetion a little more) someone came on and said that NVLD and AS are practically the same thing, which I have been telling you that for about a month. Go to any website comparing the two and you will find that there are many many many more similiarities then differences and most differences are of a degree not of a kind.

    Though this still does not say how I started with the namecalling, I am still waiting for an answer on that.

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  66. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    “I have never had sex with a boy or a girl.”

    Now THERE is a real shocker. There are some things even a sheep won’t do :-O

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  67. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Your the one who called me “the pot” implying that I either call people names more then you or called people names before you (I am still waiting for proof fyi.) Beyond that your buddies said I call names to get out of debates, thereby bringing the up entirely. So you are the ones complaining about me not following your rules not the other way around. And I love proving my side of the case by watching you guys all be assholes to me. You don’t get that it generally doesn’t help your debate to be an asshole to me.

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  68. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    “Do you and your boyfriend BOTH get to be bitches? That could very well be a gaggle of bitches.”

    *That* was some funny stuff!

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  69. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    He never made threats I believe. He said “don’t make me do this” but that doesn’t seem to imply threatening persay. And I still don’t get how scaring people by shooting a part of a building is really attempted murder. If he would have shot at the wall maybe but not at ceiling as he wasn’t ATTEMPTING to kill anyone by shooting at the ceiling. Though yes threatening someone with a gun, even if he never pulled the trigger constitutes assult. I just want you to be very clear on what he did and did not do.

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  70. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    You are so stupid you fail to realize that I am not debating ANYTHING with you at this point. I ceased that long ago. The only thing REALLY left for debate here is just how much of a liar and an idiot you are.

    You keep saying “proof…proof.” That’s ALL you do Enders. “Show me” “prove to me” “what if what if what if what if” You are a broken record.

    Here’s one…PROVE to me you have ass-bergers. PROVE to me you aren’t some little make-up wearing little twink with an ovarian cycle that makes you bitchy once a month. PROVE to me that you were bullied in high school. PROVE to me…PROVE to me…LOL. You are such an idiot. You really are so blind that you don’t see the traits you constantly exhibit here. You disagree…you name call. Then someone calls you a name back..you get pissed. THEN you go and try to sound like some over-educated thinker of big thoughts and pose questions and theories….and THEN you get your panties all in a wad when other people keep right on giving you shit and pretty much ignore your attempt at academic importance and claim…”you’re ignoring what I asked….you aren’t addressing what I asked…waaaaaaah waaaaaaah.” Of course we aren’t. No one can take you seriously there Sybil.

    The basic gist is STOP FUCKING BITCHING WHEN YOU GET TREATED THE WAY YOU TREAT!!!!! I know…”show me…prove to me.” My reply….do it yourself or just shut up and take your medicine like a good little diaper wearing twink.

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  71. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    The difference is you can prove to me that I name called first, just find the post that I did it in. Now I could post my diagnoses form… but I don’t really show why I should, for one that would take quite a long time.

    Though I did love how you say that disagreeing is a problem, do you insult everyone who disagrees with you? And once again, Belch started the complaining, I just commented about it.

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  72. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    even my cat laughs at Enders

    [img]http://a335.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/96/l_fe116c0e55ff42936c4dc90cdeba40e6.jpg[/img]

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  73. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Maybe you should move to Saudi Arabia, you would just love there juvenile justice system. http://scenews.blog.com/2092908/

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  74. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    I was thinking more along the lines of Singapore.

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  75. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    I guess what Bryan is trying to say in a roundabout way is, “Isn’t the American criminal justice system the best at protecting children’s rights? Saudi Arabia is barbaric when it comes to prosecuting children.”

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  76. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Nah, I don’t think we can claim a moral superiority here. I feel we are just about as barbaric when it comes to prosecuting children as they are. Remember it was just about 5 years ago when we could execute kids. Even still we believe in sentencing extremely young kids to life in jail. Then you look at the cases of the King brothers where there is much probable doubt that they ever even committed a crime, even the orginal jury just believe they witnessed it. Or you look at people like William Thorton who was sentencing to 30 years in jail for running a stop-sign that claims several lives ever year. Or at this case where we have a pretty severely delayed 13 year old boy being prosecuted as an adult. Where is our moral superiority?

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  77. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    How else do you explain the King brothers still being in jail, or Willaim Thorton serving a 30 year sentence, or our (your) believes that people with the maturity of a 10 year old are adults, as long as they are close to that actual age.

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  78. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    How about because they killed people? That’s where murderers usually go when they’re caught.

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  79. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    the whole middle east has terrific methods of dealing with criminals (no matter the age).

    Criminals do not deserve equal rights. I am 100% for “eye for an eye”.

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  80. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    about time. 😛

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  81. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    Oh no no no, enders says its not murder if you are under 18 years old because you cant vote yet.

    In a world run by Endersdragon, kids can kill anything (except other kids with disabilities) they want and not be charged with the crime because they are not adults yet. I suppose that the worse off they are the more crime they can commit and be good with the law. For example, a 10 year old can kill shouldn’t get jail time, but a 13 year old with down’s who kills should get a free house and not have to pay taxes. Apparently the shorter you are, and the longer your forehead … more thicker your shielding should be from the law.

    and that makes perfect sense.

    Now Enders, be a good boy and go kill yourself. Your schoolmates hate you, we hate you, your mommy hates you and you have nothing to live for. If you need tips on how to do it pain free, let me know… I have some ideas for you.

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  82. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Yeah, Bryan, did you ever tell your parents that you are suicidal? Or that you are a bisexual virgin?

    http://tinyurl.com/3c3exu

    Or were you posting to this yahoo group to get attention?

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  83. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    I feel we are just about as barbaric when it comes to prosecuting children as they are.

    Man, you really are that stupid.

    Jim, you may just get your wish.

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  84. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    You are in college…right? What year are you in? I guess it’s about time for ZappaCrappa’s remedial english 101 lesson again. Seems I have to do it every once in a while to prevent people from making themselves look uneducated and ignorant. Though I usually have to do it “rural southern forums.”

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  85. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    Once again, free of charge, ZappaCrappa’s guide to remedial forum posting. Non-adherence to these simple rules will only result in people thinking that you are an idiot trying to pretend you have an education and might possibly be a dumbass:

    Hear – To sense sound
    Here – A place where you are
    There – A place you are not
    Their – belonging to showing ownership
    No – a Negative response
    Know – To have knowledge of something

    I could list a few more…but they are more normally attributed to the severly uneducated and unteachable that frequent the mountainous regions of our country and commonly breed with sisters, brothers, cousins, uncles, etc. Which reminds me…say hello to your uncle dad for me -)

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  86. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Trench, your most commented blog posts involve the LOLCOW. You ban him and I’ll just have to go milk the lulz from him somewhere else where you guys can’t see it, and what kind of fun would that be?

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  87. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    I’m just afraid that he’s dragging us down with his stupidity.

    I feel stupider every time I read one of his comments.

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  88. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Don’t they kill gay people in Saudi? Lemme check…. YUP!

    Bryan, you need to go on a gay-rights march to Mecca to explain to them about morality and superiority. Be sure to carry your rainbow flag and your Bible and be sure to stand up to the bullies over there.

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  89. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    But there is no evidence (not a single bit) that the King brothers killed anyone other then a confession that even the prosecution believes was a lie. And killing a stoned/drunk person who was most likely speeding by running a near impossible to see at night stop-sign that claims several lives every year seems to not be worth a 30 year sentence? Do you think those cases are justice?

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  90. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    I think the age of adulthood is 18. But beyond that yes there are people under 18 who should be tried as adults. These do not however amount to delayed 13 year olds like you would like to believe. A delayed 13 year old in no way, shape, or form is an adult. If it was a 35 year old with the mental processing ability of a 11 year old (which I think is a very liberal estimate of where Thomas actually functions, he is actually probably much lower in many ways) would we be talking about punishing them to fullest extent of the law. Well you might but most sane people wouldn’t

    And I will kill myself as soon as you get me a shot at you. What can it hurt, you don’t believe a retard like me can shoot do you?

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  91. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    those cases deserve justice. the fact that you have to excuse the facts with irrational bullshit proves it.

    the King brothers didn’t kill, they only confessed to it and the people who are STILL trying to put them away don’t believe it. Thats why they are still trying to put them away.

    Killing inebriated people is ok as long as you can pretend to not have seen a stop sign that you obviously knew was there anyway because the same stop sign has been in the news several times before.

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  92. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    I don’t doubt you can pull a trigger, I doubt you would do it if you had the chance.

    You just don’t have the balls.

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  93. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Dear Leaky,

    [img]https://thetrenchcoat.com/images/banned.gif[/img]

    With Apathy,
    Trench

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  94. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Banned. Banned from this blog. Banned from schoolyards. Banned from the local Hooters. Banned from Blockbuster. Banned from the cereal aisle at Safeway. Banned from the local library.

    He should be used to being banned by now.

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  95. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Banned from the local Hooters.

    A fate worse than death. 😛

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  96. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    My personal favorite…

    If you want it to be possessive, it’s just “ITS,” but if it’s supposed to be a contraction then it’s “I-T-apostrophe-S.” Scalawag.—Strong Bad

    http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail89.html

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  97. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    I prefer the winghouse.

    better wings, hotter girls.

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  98. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    Hallelujah ! I have never loathed anyone as much as I do that little weasel cunt. I would actually love it *LOVE IT* if that little punk pulled a gun on me. I bet his brain is weak enough to fall for the Jedi mind trick.

    To quote the great John Turturro in the film “The Big Lebowski”:
    I’ll take it away from you and stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger till it goes “click”

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  99. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    I like this site quite a bit. I come here about once a week to reinforce my view that humanity is evil. As such, I do not wish to get banned. However, I must speak up in defense of Endersdragon. Some of his points are valid, and he really didn’t seem to start anything he only responded. The VAST majority of insults were slung at him rather than by him. I have no proof, for or against, the claim that he has Asberger’s Syndrome, and I frankly don’t give a damn either way. His sexuality is of even less importance in a rational debate. I’ve never thought of this site as scholarly, and it’s a pleasant change from some of my other haunts, but could you at least be respectful toward someone who has not, to the best of my (admittedly extremely limited) knowledge, done anything other than try to challenge your views?

    In the interest of full disclosure, I admit that I am personally offended by the comments that make fun of mental health problems and terminology. I have a sister who is somewhat retarded, and it biases me.

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  100. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    don’t feel bad, most of us don’t really feel the way we come across. Enders has a history of stirring up shit and twisting it to his own pathetic life or one of 3 stories that he cant seem to let go of.

    Most of the shit I have said to him was just to insult him enough to go away. he just never got the hint, and Trench had to do it for him.

    Welcome to the site 🙂

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  101. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    Although I maintain he should not have been banned, this, which I looked at a couple of minutes ago, https://thetrenchcoat.com/archives/3318-Insanity-is-the-defense-du-jour.html#comments
    makes me appreciate his contributions a lot less. I know a number of people with all sorts of disorders and syndromes, and all of the ones who are in touch with reality (several of them are very low-functioning autistics) know not to use the diagnoses as a shield. An explanation is one thing, but using them as shields makes us all look bad.

    With that said, I still think he is, or perhaps was, in the right this time.

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  102. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Hey Anon, is Bryan whining on another website that he was banned and asked you to go check it out? That is also his method of operation.

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  103. Jim Avatar
    Jim

    Anon: you are welcome to your opinion, but enders is not welcome here.

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  104. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    LOL…hold on…let me call the WHHHHAAAAAAAAAmbulance for Enders.

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  105. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    No, thank goodness. If he contacted me somehow, I’d probably download a couple of viruses and email them to him. Make no mistake, I consider him a pissant. However, pissants can make good points, and devil’s advocates usually do far more good than bad.

    And on a side note, he mentions in #8.1.1.1 that he’s willing to kill himself, even if that wasn’t his intention.

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  106. Anon Avatar
    Anon

    I realize that, and I know full well that I have no hope of altering anything in the slightest. I figure that bashing my head against a brick wall can’t hurt, (so long as the wall is strictly metaphorical).

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