TheTrenchcoat Chronicles

Yeah…that’s the ticket

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Trench Reynolds

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Those who knew gunman return to classes:

Not only was Cho Seung-Hui an anti-social, selfish, cowardly, loser, he was also delusional, or a pathological liar.

Koch remembers taking Cho out to some parties at the start of the fall semester in 2005. He introduced Cho to friends, but the sullen roommate didn’t say much. At one party, Cho did get tipsy enough that he opened up and began talking about his virtual love life.

He said he had an imaginary girlfriend named Jelly, and that she was “a supermodel that lived in space.” Jelly had a nickname for Cho — Spanky.

Once, Koch knocked on Cho’s door looking for his roommate, John. The door was locked, and Seung wouldn’t open it up.

“I’m in here with my girlfriend and we’re making out,” he said.

“Who says that kind of stuff?” the junior from Richmond asked.

A couple months later during Thanksgiving break, Koch’s phone rang. It was Cho.

“I didn’t know why he called, and I was like ‘What’s up.’ He goes, ‘I’m vacationing with Vladimir Putin. I was like, ‘Really? I think he lives in Russia.’ He’s like, ‘Yeah, we’re in North Carolina.’ I’m like, ‘I’m pretty sure that’s not possible Seung.”‘

I think we all know a guy like this. Someone who tries too hard and ends up pushing people further away from him.

Cho didn’t hate the so-called rich kids. He wanted to be one so bad it hurt. And when they didn’t accept him, his stalker mentality kicked in. If they won’t be friends with me, they won’t be friends with anyone.

Not everyone has to accept you as a friend. That’s the way the real world works.

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68 responses to “Yeah…that’s the ticket”

  1. whatsername Avatar
    whatsername

    “Not only was Cho Seung-Hui an anti-social, selfish, cowardly, loser he was also delusional, or a pathological liar.”

    I don´t like the way you write about people like cho.
    they have/had enough problems in their life(s) like bullying and stuff, i don´t think they should be treated like that.
    i mean, yes they killed people and i´m really sorry for them and it wasn´t right what he did but it doesn´t make it better to call him like this.
    It doesn´t bring anyone back to life.
    Just think about it.

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  2. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    I don´t like the way you write about people like cho.

    Get in line sister.

    they have/had enough problems in their life(s) like bullying and stuff, i don´t think they should be treated like that.

    A. Bullying is not an excuse for mass murder.

    B. To sympathize with the killer is to excuse the crime.

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  3. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Whatsername thinks that Cho was a cute studmuffin and wants his man-meat to impregnate her with his psycho-seed.
    At gunpoint.

    He was a bizarre character who just before his death, was obsessed with having a high Ebay rating.

    And for these idiots who are stuck on the “bully meme:” Virginia Tech students do not bully one another. It is a great school where everyone encourages each other to excellence. There is zero evidence that Cho was bullied.

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  4. whatsername Avatar
    whatsername

    @BelchSpeak

    you´re a funny guy
    😀 i´m laughing my german ass off
    you´re great 😀

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  5. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Ummmm she did say “people like Cho”, there are millions of people that fall into this defination (the type of defination you described at the bottom of this, “I think we all know a guy like this. Someone who tries to hard and ends up pushing people further away from him.”) that have never once killed people. Certianly I myself have pushed many a person away from me just because I was so desperate for a friend. I think by talking this way about these people is just to push more then them to attack.

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  6. ZappaCrappa Avatar
    ZappaCrappa

    I’ll say it again…when you act like an anti-social asshat….don’t be surprised when people treat you like an anti-social asshat.

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  7. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    So you should have to act all preppy to not be beat up, to not be taunted and teased everyday, to not be laughed at when you do try to open up (and yes all of these happen to college people too.) I wouldn’t mind it if 99% of people avoided me, they bully me anyway. I just wish that 1% that I do try to make friends with didn’t. And as long as people like you think its right for people like me to be bullied, people like me will be continue to be violent. Thats just the way things go.

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  8. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Everyone is invited to a pity party at Little Brian’s house. Bring your jammies, your teenage mutant ninja turtles and some firecrackers, cause we are gonna teach those mean turtles not to be such bullies.

    And bring dry nappies. We will all sit around together drinking juice and take turns piddling.

    Did you ever think its just you, your twisted wrongness, and void of anything likeable about you?

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  9. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Hmmm I supposed that I just always assumed that if you were nice to others they would be nice to me. Shouldn’t that be the way the world works? Should you be attacked for no good reason just because you are different?

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  10. shos Avatar
    shos

    I think it’s,” do unto others as you would HAVE them do unto you”, there is nothing saying they have to be nice back to you. We don’t live in a perfect world, so take off those rose-colored glasses people! I’m pissed as hell that he thought he was important enough to take 32 innocent lives. Life isn’t always fair, life isn’t always perfect, everyone gets bullied or teased at some point in their lives, GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! You are not that special! People play the bullied card, all a’sudden they want people to feel sorry for them. GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! I will not feel sorry for murderers. They are not victims, their families are not victims.

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  11. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Lol rose-colored glasses means you see the world as being perfect. What we are saying is that the world is not perfect but it should be better. While Cho is not a victim now, he was before he killed people, just like everyone else was who was bullied relentlessly in school.

    But let me ask you something. If at your job you were pushed every day, called a fag, queer, bitch, and a bunch of other words I don’t feel like posting here, were beaten up once every few weeks for no reason, etc how long would it be before you would quit that job? Kids don’t have that option, they need to be protected when they are in school.

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  12. shos Avatar
    shos

    Cho was not a kid. He was an adult.

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  13. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    But the damage was done long ago, though do you mean to tell me you do feel that no one should ever be bullied when they are a kid? If so it is certianly a start.

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  14. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Again, stop saying that Cho was bullied. There is no evidence that he was. Not as an infant. Not as a kindergartner. Not as a middle-schooler, and not as a high-schooler.

    Stop transferring your own feelings of inadequacy onto Cho.

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  15. Endersdrago Avatar
    Endersdrago

    Classmates from when he was in high school have come on TV and newspapers and said he has been bullied. Which brings up the question, where have you been the past week?

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  16. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    It was only hearsay- friend of a friend thinks that he might have been heckled once when he was eating his lunch.

    Where have I been for the past week? Don’t you pay attention? I’ve been telling everyone about your piddle parties and how you are gay, but so ugly you may just end up having to go out with girls.

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  17. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Oh, so you are too obsessed with me to watch the news, got it. Personally I just think you have a crush on me but sadly you are not my type.

    And no it was a witness to the bullying, the people have been in the same classes as him and saw it.

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  18. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Link and quote it then or are you too busy faking autism on other message boards today?

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  19. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Too busy being the UOPHA down at wrongplanet, you can afford to do some of your own work.

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  20. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    P.S. I love how you never did deny having a crush on me.

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  21. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    So you can’t provide the links? Thought so. You know why? Because they don’t exist.

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  22. whatsername Avatar
    whatsername

    this is so fucked up and childish.
    that´s bullying and not advisable.
    🙁

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  23. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776

    http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Apr19/0,4670,VirginiaTechShooting,00.html

    Theres more out there but that should give you a good start.

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  24. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Again, it’s still not an excuse for mass murder and that’s what I keep hearing when you guys have the bullying pity party.

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  25. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Bryan, it is so easy to make you look stupid. The MSNBC article does not provide a quote from any credible witness to bullying.

    And for FoxNews, the quote is:
    Stephanie Roberts, 22, a classmate of Cho’s at Westfield High, said *she never witnessed anyone picking on Cho in high school*. But she said *friends of hers who went to middle school with him told her* they recalled him getting bullied there.

    That is called hearsay. Is part of having fake autism the inability to have good reading comprehension?

    You prove my argument. No proof from any *credible witness* that Cho was bullied. This meme has been circulating for over a week now. You would think that some enterprising reporter somewhere would dig up someone who actually saw something?

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  26. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    I never said it is an excuse for mass murder, but if it had not happened the mass murder would have not happened. Cause and effect you know. For another example the Japanese Internment Camps were certianly not right, but without Pearl Harbor they would not have happened. Just because A is caused by B doesn’t make A right.

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  27. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Okay listen, just fuck you. I know the effects of bullying, and I know how few people remember me getting bullied. How few people would actually talk about it now. Just go away and never talk to me again or is that too complicated for you. And the MSNBC article did have a direct witness to the bullying even if the other one wouldn’t.

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  28. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    Correlation does not equal causation.

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  29. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    So your saying that we would have had Japanese Internment Camps without Pearl Harbor? Thats pretty messed up logic.

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  30. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    “Just fuck you?” Nice come back. You kiss your underage boyfriends with that mouth?

    The MSNBC article does not have any witnesses to bullying. There is an anecdote about kids talking among themselves about how bad his speech was, but that is not bullying, Bryan.

    Or is bullying the sole purview of those with a peresecution complex? Maybe we should call campus police and have them send over a social worker to see you and get you some counselling. You sound very close to coming unhinged.

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  31. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Guess that answers my question, leaving me alone is too hard for you. Would you deny that Andy Williams was bullied, just curious.

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  32. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    No, Andy Williams was a great showman.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfl15c-Kh0

    Dont change the subject.

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  33. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Well you seem to deny that it is not only impossible for not all of the information to have come out about Cho’s life so far but also that no school shooters have ever been bullied, I think it is quite clear that if no one else has been Andy has been. Remind me to take you out with me if I ever decide to take myself out.

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  34. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    So when arguments using logic fail, you resort to name calling with a hypenated “denier” at the end. Am I a bully-denier? You want to equate me with a holocaust denier?

    And you threaten to *murder me* on a public message board just because some other kid who you don’t even know may or may not have been picked on?

    Not smart Bryan.

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  35. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Actually I was thinking about telling you Seig Heil to you because you seem to believe in the perfect race and others being lower then you, but you sorta took the fun out of that.

    And I just think people like you are hurting humanity.

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  36. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    And yes you are a “bully-denier” seeing as how you said basically said bullying has no proven psychological effects on victims, then wouldn’t answer me when I quoted APA saying that it has been known to cause both violence and suicides.

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  37. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Seriously, do you know how kooky you are saying that I am a “threat to humanity?” Call the freaking United Nations then and see if they will sanction me.

    Where did I say that “bullying has no proven psychological effects on victims?” I think you are delusional. And paranoid.

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  38. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    “Suicidal, depressed people off themselves. To attempt to tie a personal tragedy of suicide to a pet cause such as stopping bullies is irresponsible. And there has been zero proven causative relation of bullying and suicide. How do we know the suicide wasn’t caused by too much sugar on his corn flakes?”

    Any other questions?

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  39. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    “zero proven causative relation of bullying and suicide.” Your fake autism is acting up again. Has nothing to do with psychological effects.

    And I stand behind my statement and point out that you are still trying to make all of this about *you* and your pet cause of bullying.

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  40. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    “Victims of bullying experience loneliness and often suffer humiliation, insecurity, loss of self-esteem, and thoughts of suicide.”

    That came from APA again (http://www.apa.org/ppo/issues/bullying.html), care to explain how you can stand behind your statement now?

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  41. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Thats still no proof that bullying *causes* suicide. Thoughts of suicide are not the same as actually doing it, Bryan. And for normal people, such foolish nonsensical thoughts are easily shrugged off.

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  42. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Yeah because children who think about suicide never actually do it :-/.

    But now let me ask you the same question as I asked before. If at your job you were pushed every day, called a fag, queer, bitch, and a bunch of other words I don’t feel like posting here, were beaten up once every few weeks for no reason, etc how long would it be before you would quit that job?

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  43. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    I fail to see what children we are talking about Bryan. Cho was 23.

    Im not playing your stupid psycho game about “what if.” What your mentally deficient mind described would never happen to a normal person under any circumstance, in any workplace in the country. You obviously have never had a paying job if you think that is what goes on outside your mama’s basement.

    Real men and women stand up for themselves you bedwetting freak. Let me ask you- what person in the United States has to put up with the circumstances you describe in the workplace?

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  44. jim Avatar
    jim

    Nobody cares what you think, stupid.

    The little loser wasn’t bullied, you just NEED it to be true to prevent you from accepting the FACT that he was a psycho.

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  45. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    The question was a way of saying that if no adult would ever be expected to do that why do we expect our kids to do it. I know that doesn’t happen in the work place but it does happen in places where our kids can’t escape.

    FYI I have had a paying job before and plan to either work at the local group/foster home this year or work at a special needs summer camp. Go ahead make pedo jokes I really don’t care seeing as how I know I am not one and they are getting old.

    Why do you insult all bedwetters anyway? You do realize that many many many people have wet the bed in the past. To make fun of it just makes you seem like a school yard bully. FYI my IQ is in the upper 130s hence why I can do so well here in college despite my problems. What is your IQ and where did you go to school?

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  46. blue_like_eeyore Avatar
    blue_like_eeyore

    Cho was in college. He could have transferred.

    I haven’t heard about him being bullied in COLLEGE, just when he was younger. It sounded like most people either just thought he was very eccentric, or they were afraid of him.

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  47. blue_like_eeyore Avatar
    blue_like_eeyore

    There actually are cases of workplace bullying, sometimes even by the boss. But usually there are measures that can be taken against people who create a “hostile work environment.” It just depends on whether or not people are willing to report it for fear of being seen as a complainer or someone who can’t just “suck it up and take it”, or even fear of retaliation on a larger scale.

    On the other hand I do have to agree that Cho was 23, and his attendance in college was voluntary. Apparently he didn’t think anything was wrong with him though. It’s unfortunate that he couldn’t have been more aggressively forced to seek legal help, especially with all the strange, blatantly delusional things he was saying.

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  48. jim Avatar
    jim

    so by your theory, if I killed someone if would be justifiable because I was teased about my legs when I was young. That makes sense, even though those days are gone, I should take out an anger that I long since let go and kill people who had nothing to do with it.

    I am losing respect for you with every post you make.

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  49. Trench Avatar
    Trench

    You do a disservice to Aspergers patients because you make them look stupid.

    It means that just because they were bullied that doesn’t mean that’s why they went on school shootings.

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  50. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Okay then lets look at the case of Andy Williams. Nice, friendly, polite kid moves to a place where he can’t fit in and gets bullied all the time. Doesn’t feel that anyone cares. Suddendly changes to a cold blooded killer. Doesn’t that seem like direct causation to you.

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  51. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Lets NOT look at Andy Williams. He was a great showman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKfl15c-Kh0

    For a fake genius with fake autism, you sure have no idea about the scientific method and cause and effect. And why do mutants like you always think killers were “nice kids?” Nice kids don’t kill people Bryan. Creepy ones who can’t get a date and pee themselves might.

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  52. Jake Avatar
    Jake

    “Fuck you” is all you are capable of understanding, you dumbass repugtard.

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  53. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Jake, how many “republicans” do they have up there in Canada, eh? Last I checked, they don’t have Democrats and Republicans as Canadian political parties. So why you wanna start something?

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  54. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Okay how about Charles Andy Williams.

    Andy’s Poem

    March fifth two thousand one

    There was a kid who had a gun

    He finally decide he had nothing to Lose

    People all over saw him on the News

    2 people Dead 13 people hurt

    1 stupid decision cut 3 peoples lives short

    He is getting tried as an adult he is a 15 year old kid

    He is sorry He is sorry he should never have done what he did

    He thought nobody liked him he got messed with everyday

    He didn’t like Santee and he didn’t want to stay

    He would hurt emotionally bruised to the touch

    For every one person who hated him 4 loved him very much

    He didn’t find that out until it was to late

    If he had a time machine he’d go back to that Date

    Instead of shooting a gun he would shoot a smile

    But now it is too late 2 people Dead

    One locked up wish someone said

    They loved him instead of making him feel dumb

    Santana High still and numb

    A nation is sending out their forgiveness and sorrow

    But he will be locked up today and tomorrow

    That kid screwed up with something that shouldn’t ever be

    That Kid well … That Kid was me

    Charles A. Williams

    Not quite the same Andy Willaims as you are talking about, I wonder why do you enjoy making fun of bedwetters so much. Sounds like self hatred to me.

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  55. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    P.S. I know it is confusing to someone of your low intelligence to realize that two people can have the same name. Though there probably are many many people with the name Andy Williams, as both the name Andrew and the name Williams are quite common. You should try to use whatever intelligence you do have to determine which Andy Williams I am refering too.

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  56. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    He didnt write that. Again, you insult people and call names. You give people with fake autism a bad name. Why do you never publish a link to a news article or a real source to these facts you keep making up?

    You know, 60% of serial killers wet the bed. Just like you do. The other 40% of bedwetters think Andy Williams had it coming. Which percentage are you, Bryan?

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  57. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Fine http://www.andyspeaks.com, your right that someone else could have wrote it, but I doubt anyone else did. And I am just going to ignore your question.

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  58. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Still can’t produce a news article that shows how Andy was as nice as you claim? Of course not, because it doesnt exist.

    Aren’t you fond of quoting the American Journal of Psychiatry to point out that suicide might be caused by bullying? You think that journal is always accurate, or at least it is an authority on such things?

    Because I found an article that says that bedwetting is a major symptom in identifying potential serial killers. Its part of the “MacDonald Triad” and it was a peer-reviewed article published in the American Journal of Psychiatry. Since the article predates the Internet, I can’t provide a link. Here’s the Wiki article on it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacDonald_triad

    I went to the library last night and looked it up on microfiche. It also says that such killers are chronic liars and use lies to insulate themselves from criticism of their behavior. Such as… lying about having autism or Aspergers.

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  59. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Yes bedwetting is part of that triad, though I didn’t tourture animals or start fires (I do believe those are the other two) so bedwetting really means very little. I have never once lied about having asperger’s disorder, I have been diagnosed, I just hadn’t been 5 years ago (alot can happen in 5 years). Many people are diagnosed with AS as an adult because up until the mid 1990s it wasn’t even in DSM-IV.

    Yes I would think that the APA would be the authority of psycatric issues (seriously what kindof question is that.) 1/5 kids wets the bed at 5 and its decreases at a rate of 15% per year… that means a hell of alot of kids wet the bed at the age of 15. Roughly 1-2% of kids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedwetting)… that would mean alot of serial killers out there, imagine 2% of the population was killers, what chance humanity stand. So therefore bedwetting only works in conjunction with the other two, which I never did.

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  60. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/santana/20010309-9999_1n9profile.html

    Choosing to take in an outsider and free him from bullying and solitaridy, no history or assults or abuse, bullying and having your friend die led to the attack. About the only thing that is even remotely violent is he has a slight interest in the military.

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  61. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    What a shock that a liberal newspaper would be sympathetic to a killer. The kid sounded like an obvious whackjob loser to me. Is he dead, or is he one of your penpals?

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  62. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    Neither, can you find an article that says he didn’t protect his friend Brian from bullying? Or mind telling me what leads you to think he was a wackjob other then wearing camoflague clothes? And when you ask for an article, don’t say that one doesn’t count because of A B and C if you can’t find an article disputing it. Thats just generally good debating tactics, course if this was a real debate you would have lost many times already for namecalling.

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  63. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    The whackjob part comes from *killing people.* And he was a pathetic loser who couldnt keep a friend. And if he wasn’t gay before Im sure he is someone’s jailhouse ho now.

    And this isnt about bullying you one-track minded lying faker- Its about how you claimed that he was a “Nice kid.” I noticed your article failed to prove that.

    Part or your pathos is that you admire cold-blooded killers who lash out at the world with the least provocation. It makes you just as much of a whackjob. But with wetter britches.

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  64. jim Avatar
    jim

    He is a fucking Canadian !?! Holy shit ! I have been arguing with a half a retard all this time and I just thought he was stupid.

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  65. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    Yeah, his IP traces back to a Canuck Cable Modem. He tried to start something with me on my site.

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  66. jim Avatar
    jim

    He is calling me a repugtard because he thinks I support Dubya and he doesn’t even live in a democracy.
    Do constitutional monarchies even vote for their leaders ?

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  67. Endersdragon Avatar
    Endersdragon

    So your saying he became a wackjob after the bullying. Thank you for proving my point. If you have any evidence that he was a “wackjob” prior to that feel free to post it. And actually he could keep a friend, he just lost him after he was hit by a car, feel free to make fun of him that, it will make you feel real big (something has to.)

    Actually I don’t “admire” them I just understand where they came from. And measuring what pushed them to it is quite relative you know. For example I understand to a point why Cody Posey killed after years upon years of prolonged abuse, including sexual abuse (that is well documented fyi, feel free to the Court TV section on Codys case and listen to his dads friends talking about how his dad would abuse him), would you consider that a poor reason? Same thing with Eric Hainstock.

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  68. BelchSpeak Avatar
    BelchSpeak

    No, Bryan, all killers are whackjobs their whole lives. That he *killed* proves that he was a whackjob. He only needed an excuse to murder.

    And don’t start trotting out your other list of martyrs. No. One. Cares.

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