The Mutant Report

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We have an article here from the Detroit Press about people who idolize school shooters. Apparently, it was written by Captain Where The Hell Have You Been For The Past 8 Years.

In the videotapes Cho Seung-Hui sent to NBC in the midst of the Virginia Tech massacre, he spoke of his children, brothers and sisters and compared himself to Jesus.

Many may shrug off such rantings as those of a deranged killer.

But not everyone.

“Cho Seung-hui, we fringed ones salute you,” reads one Web site that praises the bloodshed just days after the country recoiled at the deadliest shooting spree in U.S. history.

Rowell Huesmann, a professor of psychology and communication studies at the University of Michigan, called such sentiments “disgusting.”

But, he added, there’s a reason for them.

“There are disaffected people who are alienated, for one reason or another, from society who wouldn’t do anything physically violent,” he said. “But writing these gives them a chance to be aggressive to society in a way that’s fairly non-risky.”

He says non-risky, I say cowardly. Get back to me when one of you mutants has the balls to say this to a family member of one of the victims. Then again that would require you to leave your mom’s basement.

If Cho wanted notoriety as a martyr for the disenfranchised, history indicates he’ll get it.

That’s what happened with Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, students at Columbine High School in Colorado who shot to death 12 classmates and a teacher before turning their guns on themselves eight years ago today.

And locally, it happened with Andrew Osantowski of Clinton Township in 2004. The then-17-year-old was accused of stockpiling an arsenal to gun down classmates and blow up his school, Chippewa Valley High in Clinton Township. His plan was thwarted after he shared it in an Internet chat with a teen in Washington state, who told her father. He, in turn, called Clinton Township police.

Online, Osantowski was praised.

“I, for one, salute Mr. Osantowski,” a Web site posting read at the time. Osantowski, who was convicted of threatening an act of terrorism and using a computer to threaten terrorism, was sentenced to 4 1/2 to 22 years in prison.

I wonder which site that was. Oh yeah. It was this one. What the article fails to mention is that the person who made that comment has since recanted his opinion of Andrew Osantowski.

But hey, if it opens the eyes of some parents who have at-risk kids hopefully it will avoid another Columbine or Virginia Tech.

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98 responses to “The Mutant Report”

April 20, 2007

Zach

The biggest problem with at risk kids is many times the parents don’t pay attention to them at all. Unlike Mr.Harris, if someone called my house saying ammonution I never ordered was in, I’d get suspcious.

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April 20, 2007

Trench

Sorry TCM, that site is persona non grata around these parts. Plus it just got you put on the mutant spam list.

There are criminals and victims. Scumbags like Cho, Klebold, and Harris are not victims.

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April 20, 2007

TCM member

What the hell’s your problem man, there’s nothing on that forum that praises what they did. If you went on there you’d see that for yourself, but I guess there’s no reaching people who are as close minded as you. It’s just as well though, the only thing you want to do is have websites created by open minded people taken down and if they don’t do it you harrass them to no end.

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April 20, 2007

TCM member

You know, not every person that sympathizes with Dylan, Eric, Cho and the other school shooters thinks what they did is right. A lot of us mourn the victims just as much as we do the shooters. You want an example, (mutant site removed by admin)

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April 20, 2007

Anonymous

We don’t praise them for what they did, but they were victims too. You fail to see the other side of it, they were bullied, excluded and teased until they couldn’t see a reason to live. That makes them victims.

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April 20, 2007

Chapel

I am in complete agreeance with TCM. If you refuse to acknowledge the problems that that Cho, Klebold and Harris faced, you are not only ignoring the problem but also spreading the hate that instigated it inthe first place. All 15 dead at Columbine were victims, as were all 33 dead at Virginia Tech.

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April 20, 2007

Trench

If Cho, Harris, and Klebold were victims what crime was perpetrated against them?

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April 20, 2007

Anonymous

It doesnt have to be a crime, they were VICTIMS of bullying. Some people cant take bullying aswell as others, Chapel is right all 15 from Columbine were victims and so were the 33 at VA Tech.

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April 20, 2007

humburger

I think it’s misleading to lump all such killers together. While bullying–which I assume is what you meant by “the hate that instigated it in the first place”–may be some part of what leads these people to want to kill, and though Cho may have been bullied at some point in his life, the primary thing that led to his rampage was obviously mental illness. The guy was flat out nuts. He was 4-5 years out of high school. From all accounts, it was the exact opposite for him in college. People tried to be nice to him while he intimidated both students and teachers and even stalked people. He was clearly delusional. If anything, you can say he was a victim of mental illness, but I don’t think it’s accurate, despite his own perception of being persecuted, to say hate instigated his killings.

Furthermore, I think calling other killers such as Harris and Klebold victims is pretty lame. I mean, do you know how many people are bullied in junior high and high school and manage to find meaning or worth or a way to live decent lives. Millions, if not hundreds of millions, over the course of time. Those years are considered lousy if not downright hellish for quite a large percentage of people. Most just call it growing up. The hate that instigated those killings comes more from Harris and Klebold than it does from others around them. A journal of Eric Harris, released in July 2006, confirmed a strong admiration of Nazism and genocide (source: Wikipedia). Do you have any idea what those ideologies embody? Basically the indiscriminate killing of entire races. Those are about as hateful ideas as you can get, and I don’t think bullies made him think them. These were far from simply decent kids who were driven over the edge by bullies.

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April 21, 2007

Alyric

http://slate.msn.com/id/2099203/?GT1=3256

From: FBI
To: Anonymous
Re: PWNED

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April 21, 2007

D.P.

Ok, so you (The hypothetical you, of course) don’t have the guts or the fortitude to survive your life due to external forces, be they bullying or whatever excuse you want to throw out there…why on earth does that give you cause and justification to randomly go on a murderous shooting spree and take out innocent lives? To kill people who had absolutely nothing to do with your pathetic outlook on life? These murderers are not martyrs or heroes. No, they are now and will always be defined by their last horrible actions on this earth…angry misfits who cold bloodedly murdered innocent people. Everyone can make their own definition of themselves, to choose how external forces affect them. To be strong, or be weak. Killing yourself, as well as others is weak as hell.

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April 21, 2007

Anonymous

Did we say they were heroes?..I dont see heroes in any of my posts, how about u TCM member? I guess if I have sympathy for them that makes me a mutant. *sarcasm* time to call on my mutant powers!

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April 21, 2007

null

so you (The hypothetical you, of course) don’t have the guts or the fortitude to survive your life due to external forces, be they bullying or whatever excuse you want to throw out there…

Why do people conflate ‘excuse’ and ‘explanation’? This confuses me.

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April 21, 2007

Anonymous

No I don’t think we ever said that we think they’re heroes. If having sympathy for them makes me a mutant then I’d rather be a mutant than someone like Trench. Mutants forever. 😀

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April 21, 2007

Alyric

Translation: “la la la la, I’m not listening.”

We don’t know yet what caused Cho to go on his rampage. We might never know.

Columbine was not about bullying.

I repeat, Columbine was not about bullying.

Let me say that one more time, since some people need to hear it.

Columbine was not about bullying.

In fact, the only record related to bullying was an incident where the police were called in to intervene on behalf of a student Harris was bullying.

They were out to kill as many people as possible. The only reason they chose the school was because it was a familiar venue. They weren’t looking for revenge against classmates, they were looking for an area that was going to be crowded and didn’t have much security – ie, the school. The only reason they didn’t choose, say, a mall or a grocery store, was because the school was easier to sneak into. End of story.

They’d even set up bombs in the parking lot to kill spectators and rescue workers. The only reason they even began the shooting rampage was because the bombs failed to go off. If they’d been better at wiring the bombs a lot more than 13 people would have died that day.

Bullying is a problem in schools. It always has been, it might always be. I’m not trying to deny that. But trying to defend and/or glamorize the actions of, in particular, Harris and Klebold, is flawed on every level.

First, and allow me to repeat myself once more, Columbine was not about bullying. Second, you aren’t endearing yourself to anyone or helping your cause by showing any amount of sympathy or support for two evil murdering fucks. Especially when said sympathy comes from a flawed and falsely romanticized viewpoint of the two.

Really, read the FBI’s report already.

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April 22, 2007

Anonymous

Both of them have it in their journals that they were bullied. Yeah I would rather be a mutant than someone like Trench too. I’m just glad I can see both side of this whole thing.

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April 22, 2007

Jake

What crime were they victims of?

Try assault, assault causing grevious bodily harm, intentional infliction of nervous shock, and torture… where the school officials know about it and sanction it rather than stopping it.

Are you really as clueless as you seem?

Did you use to beat the crap out of people in school just cause it made you feel better about yourself?

You are as worthless as the msm when it comes to preventing the shootings, the suicides and the suffering occassioned by bullying. Because you can’t wrap your head around the cause of the shootings and suicide and suffering.

Shame on you, you mutant.

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April 22, 2007

Jake

No, you aren’t listening. Try listening to Cho, and Columbine and the other school shooters and threat makers, and the suicide notes, and what not.

“Columbine was not about bullying. I repeat, Columbine was not about bullying.”

And the moon is made of cheese and goats would fly if they had wings. Of course Columbine was about bullying.

All the shooters say it is about bullying.

I think you can take them at their word – certainly they are more worthy of belief than the FBI you keep referencing. Their word is in effect dying declarations… since they know when they are going out to do their last desperate (dirty) deed, that they are going to die.

The FBI has a political and social agenda. The state never seems to want to put responsiblity on state instituions and employees. To say that bulling is to blame, is to say that the school system or the administration of the school system is to blame.

If children are going to be forced into a public education system, and they are forced, they have a right to be safe and secure when there.

This means no bullying, and no extreme bullying.

Unfortunately, bullying and extreme bullying are common place in the public school system. I endured it for years and have the emotional scares several decades later.

How many more Columbines and Virginia Techs will it take before you dimwits get it?

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April 22, 2007

jim

you mourn the killers too, thats the problem.

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April 22, 2007

Shos

“All the shooters say it is about bullying” UMMMM, maybe because people like you then feel sorry for them.

People go into a place of employment , maybe I should say previous place of employment, and shoot up the office, if they say they felt like an outcast, and didn’t feel “included”, then they would have a perfectly good excuse for killing innocent lives, right? Or is it because these young adults who decide to kill innocent lives at school are supposedly just kids, that you feel that they are victims also? They took away the right of being called victims when they decided to take a gun into their schools and kill innocent lives. It is amazing to me how many young adults play the “I was bullied card” and people believe them, and of course we arent’t in the courtrooms across America to hear the truth. I speak from experience, these true bullies, the ones who take a gun to school and KILL, are not the victims, the true victims are the ones left lying in a pool of blood and those who die alone in a locker room, and in the school gym, and in their classrooms, just doing what they are supposed to do. Those are the true victims and how dare you lump them in the same catagory as MURDERERS!!

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April 22, 2007

Jake

You speak from experience? Were you shot? Were your friends? Were you bullied and subjected to extreme abuse?
Did you bully? Did you cheer the bullies on?

Did you drive some poor kid to suicide? Alcholism or drug addiction?

How dare you suggest that school shooters do so because they are evil or mentally ill or some other excuse, and not because they were themselves victimized horribly.

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April 22, 2007

Anonymous

Killers arent born, they are made. Bullying made them killers in the end. If you say bullying didn’t make them do it then how come John Savage was able to leave? He treated them with respect and his life was spared.

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April 22, 2007

Trench

Right because they had a connection to all their victims. No wait, not they didn’t. Most of them didn’t even know who they were.

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April 22, 2007

Jake

What sort of connection to their victim to “bullies” have? The killings mirror bullying in their randomness.

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April 22, 2007

Trench

Or the killings mirror the fact that they were psychopaths.

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April 22, 2007

Jake

You should stop getting your information from rightwing news outlets.

Lots of people are psychopaths.

Probably people who bully others are. And so are people who watch bullies bully others and do nothing.

So are many politicans. So are many captains of industry.

Most psychopaths don’t kill.

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April 22, 2007

Trench

But these ones did.

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April 22, 2007

Jake

These ones did because they were bullied horribly and consequently consumed with hate and a desire for revenge.

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April 22, 2007

Alyric

Seriously, you have to admire his complete immersion in denial.

“The FBI’s report doesn’t count because they’re part of a vast conspiracy to deny bullying happens.”

“The evil right-wing media is trying to make poor Cho out as a psychopath just because he murdered 32 people!”

Did you actually manage to type your posts without breaking into fits of giggles? Seriously, do you listen to yourself? That kind of bullshit might fly on mutant forums, but here we exercise a little something I like to call “sanity”.

I *so* need a “back under the bridge, troll” smiley. 😛

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April 22, 2007

Shos

To answer your question, no I was not shot, but my fourteen year old cousin was shot and killed, in his high school gym. We spent over 2 weeks at his bedside waiting for him to squeeze our hands, give us the thumbs up, ANYTHING to give us a sign we would still get our cousin back. I was there 30 minutes after he quit breathing, I was there when his little sister had all these questions about death, I was there when his older brother showed so much courage and went to school the day classes resumed, I was there to talk to his friends who tried so bravely not to cry at the ICU, I was there at the funeral when ALL his classmates sobbed and tried to understand WHY this happened. I was there when my aunt and uncle had to walk into their home for the first time knowing that they would never take their son home again. they would never hear his laugh, they would never hear the “thwump” of his skateboard on the jump he made in the backyard, they would never see him snowboard again, they will never see him graduate, they will never see his constant smile again.

So, no, I was not shot, but I am living the pain of having to say goodbye to someone who calld me “mommy #2”, I am living the pain of knowing that it was a senseless school shooting, and I will live with the pain all over again everytime annother family has to go thru this. So you may be able to get on these sites and voice your opinion, but I pray that you will never have to live thru the pain of losing a younger sibling, a cousin, or a child of your own to a “victim”, you know, one of these poor kids who was bullied, because when you are sitting next to a hospital bed, saying goodbye, you are looking at the only victim that matters. And just to let you know, there are allot of us who have lost loved ones in school shootings on this site.

Thank You Trench, for giving me a voice so I can speak for the true victims, because, YES, I do speak from experience.

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April 22, 2007

Trench

Always happy to have you here. Sorry you have to put up with these mutants though.

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April 23, 2007

Jake

Immersion in denial, hell no. It is you and Trench and the person who speaks for “true victims” who are in denial.

The FBI doesn’t want to put any blame on the public school system since the lawsuits that would follow would be in the billions.

And the rightwing media does want to push the crime agenda and remove any sense of social responsibility for crimes like school shootings. There are prisons to be built and quick bucks to be made from criminalization and demonization. Actually looking for the real causes and facilitating public discussion, not so much.

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April 23, 2007

Jake

Sorry to here about your cousin, and the pain you underwent as a result of the shooting.

If you’d like I’ll be happy to provide you with the email addresses and names of several parents I know whose children suicided because they couldn’t handle the bullying they were subjected to. You can tell them how their children weren’t Real Victims like your cousin.

As you wait, you might want to read some of the stories on http://www.bullying.org.

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April 23, 2007

Trench

Except the shooter that killed Shos’ cousin wasn’t bullied.

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April 23, 2007

Jake

I don’t know anything about the circumstances surrounding the killing of Sho’s cousin, but I do know that Cho and many other school shooters were victims of severe bullying.

Not everyone who is severely bullied shoots up a school. Some suicide. Some, like myself, with a better appreciation of time or better family life, think that once school is over they’ll never have to see the assholes bullies again, and will then be able to get on with their lives.

However, the damage from extreme bullying is life long.

Some, in acute frustration, do shoot up schools. They are victims since no responsible adult intervened to help them and stop the bullying. No responsible school authority intervened to give them a safe environment. No one did anything but make their life on earth hell, and cause them to want to end it in a hail of bullets.

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April 23, 2007

Anonymous

“Always happy to have you here. Sorry you have to put up with these mutants though.”

If I’m a mutant then I would use my powers to bring all of these people back to life.

I guess that seeing both sides of this thing makes me a mutant, do you think Eric and Dylans parents are mutants aswell, even if they didn’t know what they were planning?

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April 23, 2007

Jake

Weakness has nothing to do it with.

PTSD and APD happen to the strongest minded individuals.

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April 23, 2007

Trench

However, the damage from extreme bullying is life long.

If you’re weak enough to let it.

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April 23, 2007

Trench

If I’m a mutant then I would use my powers to bring all of these people back to life.

Not that kind of mutant. Think more of the kind that live in the sewers in Futurama.

I guess that seeing both sides of this thing makes me a mutant, do you think Eric and Dylans parents are mutants aswell, even if they didn’t know what they were planning?

No but I think they’re just as responsible for Columbine as their scumbag sons were.

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April 23, 2007

JAKE

Why are you so anxious to legitimate and excuse bullying anyway? Why are you so willing to let schools and school administrations off the hook for bullying and extreme bullying and the conseqences of this bullying?

In this, you are similar to a NAMBLA member viz the issue of pedophilia.

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April 23, 2007

Anonymous

Ok I don’t live in a sewer, thank you.

“Why are you so anxious to legitimate and excuse bullying anyway? Why are you so willing to let schools and school administrations off the hook for bullying and extreme bullying and the conseqences of this bullying?”

Because he IS a bully, that’s why. Bullies have to defend their people.

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April 23, 2007

Anonymous

Dylan and Eric’s parents were not responsible for Columbine. And I ask again: What if it was you had a kid that shot up his/her school?

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April 23, 2007

Trench

PTSD? We really are raising a generation of drama queens.

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April 23, 2007

Trench

I would own up to my responsibility in it and not make excuses like Harris and Klebold’s parents.

Tom Klebold even said “We have nothing to apologize for.”

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April 23, 2007

Anonymous

“Tom Klebold even said,’We have nothing to apologize for.”

Because they don’t have anything to apologize for.

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April 23, 2007

ZappaCrappa

LMAO….you are in need of a serious in-depth look at yourself and what you judge to be right and wrong.

“nothing to apologize for.”

You poor poor deluded person. If you really feel that way…I sincerely hope you take the corward’s way out yourself and spare the rest of us from having to put up with your cowardly, self-pitying worthless self. What a lack of self-esteem that shows. I feel sorry for none of you and have decided after years of watching this type of discussion that the vast majority of you ask for and deserve whatever you get. You are mutants…freaks….and you have absolutely no place around us other folks.

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April 23, 2007

Jake

If you were bullied day in and out for years, and your bullying including severe beatings, and being forced to eat garbage, worms and shit, you’d develop ptsd as well.

Where do you get off on supporting bullying anyway?

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April 23, 2007

Jake

The fascist pigs, bullies and gas bags are now offering all their considered wit and wisdom.

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April 23, 2007

jim

it is YOU who are ignoring the problem. Because YOU think they had issues with others when they themselves were the issue.
The Columbine cunts … were the bullies
The Red Lake faggot … was a bully
and Cho was a fucking anti social adult.

All these loser homos have the same M.O. They are bullies, they make themselves outcasts, they get angry because they don’t fit in, they complain about the people who laugh at them (while they themselves do ti to others and if they kill… all you see is the last two points of the spectrum.

Go fuck yourself you fucking hypocrite. I’d bet anything that you have made fun of someone else in your time. Be it a friend, relative, the goofy looking kid at the front of the class or the guy who shit talks the football team and then tries to join the rally wearing safety pins in his face and a Manson is god tee shirt.

AND

You have been on the shit end of that stick too, but when it is you with the cross hairs on you, you feel all bad for yourself because “people should be nice” FUUUUUUCK YOUUUUU.

You and the rest of these pathetic fucking trolls who shout triumph for these killers like they just won some kind of war, but in the meantime you fucking forget that they brought it on themselves.

Here is a little rule that may help you dumb ass psychos in the future.

If you are not getting along with one person… there is a chance that person may be the problem
If you cant get along with ANYBODY… YOU are the fucking problem.

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April 23, 2007

jim

Immersion in denial, hell no. It is you and Trench and the person who speaks for “true victims” who are in denial.

*In denial of what ? that the dead are the true victims ?*

The FBI doesn’t want to put any blame on the public school system since the lawsuits that would follow would be in the billions.

*or that it isn’t the school system’s job to raise our children for us, they are just supposed to educate them. Oh and Collages do not count as “public schools”*

And the rightwing media does want to push the crime agenda and remove any sense of social responsibility for crimes like school shootings.

*why ? how does that fit in to your conspiracy theory ? make sure you are wearing your tin foil when you type out your response*

There are prisons to be built and quick bucks to be made from criminalization and demonization.

*are you fucking insane ? The prisons are a pathetic rotating door system. No one comes out rehabilitated anymore because they are not being punished anymore. That’s the left-wing’s fault because we need to be “nice” to everyone.*

Actually looking for the real causes and facilitating public discussion, not so much.

*Yeah, because according to Occam’s razor, it is far easier to look for a full republican party conspiracy rather than face the fact that the kid was just fucking crazy*

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April 23, 2007

Trench

I’m so glad you’re back. 🙂

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April 23, 2007

jim

You speak from experience?

*yes many of us do*

Were you shot? Were your friends?

*as a matter of a fact, one of my friends was murdered*

Were you bullied and subjected to extreme abuse?

*yes*

Did you bully?

*yes*

Did you cheer the bullies on?

*yes and like most kids, it just got me beat up too*

Did you drive some poor kid to suicide? Alcholism or drug addiction?

*yes to the last 2, or at least I enabled them*

How dare you suggest that school shooters do so because they are evil or mentally ill or some other excuse, and not because they were themselves victimized horribly.

*How dare YOU refuse to acknowledge that those murderers were indeed the problem themselves and that any form of “bullying” they may have endured was something that they brought upon themselves by CHOOSING to be outcasts, to be anti-social and being racist homophobic scumbags who did the same things they claimed to want to murder other people for ?

How fucking dare you excuse their murders ?

How mother fucking dare you come here and offer excuses and false reason to something that very well could have been avoided if the parents of those murderous cunts would have done their mother fucking job and raised their kids to be normal.*

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April 23, 2007

jim

but I do know that Cho and many other school shooters were victims of severe bullying.

*really ? do you ? were you there ? everything that was written up about these stories tells a tale of people who did the bullying, made some kind of statement about bullies and then murdered people who had NOTHING to do with the (so called) bullying in the first place.

When Eric or Dylan (I cant remember which loser was which anymore) asked the girl if she believed in god before putting a bullet in her face… what did THAT have to do with bullying ? Was his feelings hurt so bad that he was forced to shot a girl dead in the face ?*

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April 23, 2007

jim

yeah, and they keep defending these asshole murderers.

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April 23, 2007

jim

I couldn’t leave you alone on this one.

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April 24, 2007

Jake

You are one of the fascist pigs, bullies and gas bags. From one of your other posts its obvious you are just another !@#$#@$ repugtard.

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April 24, 2007

Alyric

LMAO – as Trench said earlier, welcome back.

Zappacrappa: …spare the rest of us from having to put up with your cowardly, self-pitying worthless self.

You win the thread.

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April 24, 2007

Anonymous

The though of people like Trench makes me feel like bringing my last meal up.

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April 24, 2007

Trench

Aww look. Little Jakey is trying to be all political. Isn’t it cute?

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April 24, 2007

Jake

Little Jake is 7 years your senior, based on your bio, and unlike you, I am a Progressive Catholic.

You seem to be just another hateful, repugtard.

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April 24, 2007

Trench

Well you sure don’t carry yourself like someone 7 years my senior.

You seem to be just another hateful, repugtard.

Did you hear? The pot is going to be holding a press conference at 2pm to call the kettle black.

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April 24, 2007

Jake

>really ? do you ? were you there ?

No. But there were hundreds of news reports. Were you?

>everything that was written up about >these stories tells a tale of people >who did the bullying,

Interesting debating strategy. Resorting to outright lies. Not a very good one, mind you.

>made some kind of statement about >bullies and then murdered people who >had NOTHING to do with the (so >called) bullying in the first place.

Killing people is wrong. So is making someone’s life on earth such hell that he or she wants to spread the pain randomly to others.

>When Eric or Dylan (I cant remember >which loser was which anymore) asked >the girl if she believed in god before >putting a bullet in her face… what >did THAT have to do with bullying ?

I’d say it was a good example of it.

>Was his feelings hurt so bad that he >was forced to shot a girl dead in the >face ?

If he was treated like shit by others, it is understandable that he treats others like shit. Garbage in, garbage out.

Why can’t you bullying apologists and legitimaters understand that?

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April 24, 2007

Jake

I don’t carry myself like someone 7 years your senior… no, I carry myself like someone 20 years your senior.

I’ll give you credit though. You have allowed us to express our views on your blog albeit with a good dose of name-calling and attempts at ridicule thrown in.

In this, you show evidence of an intellect superior to that of your friend Belchspeak, who closed debate when she or he found out his or her repugnant, regurgitation of the opinions expressed in the sensationalist msm, was a minority on his or her own board.

For the pro-bullying dullards not catching on, I dam with feint praise.

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April 24, 2007

Trench

I don’t carry myself like someone 7 years your senior… no, I carry myself like someone 20 years your ~~senior~~ junior.

Fixed that for you Junior.

Guys in their 50’s (20 years my senior) don’t use phrases like repugtard or whatever it was.

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April 24, 2007

Jake

Fixed that for you Junior – providing ample evidence of your limited repugtard intellect.

Guys in their 50’s don’t use phrases like repugtard or whatever it was.

Yeah, repugtard, it was repugtard, and some probably do. It is a word catching on all over to describe stupid, hateful, rightwing Bush lovers, iow, guys like you… a “progressive” counter to “Liebral.”

Origin: Repuglican, repugnant, retarded.

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April 24, 2007

Anonymous

Me too.

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April 24, 2007

jim

Funny you should say that, because I think you are a cowardly, buck passing, blame game playing, mediocre cunt.

You MUST be 7 years older than Trench, the only person who uses the words “fascist pigs, bullies and gas bags” are former hippy cuckolds who turned their fight against “the man” into fighting against themselves.

It doesn’t matter how old you are, you are a dumb fucking idiot. It is surprising you even remember to breath.

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April 24, 2007

jim

>really ? do you ? were you there ?

No. But there were hundreds of news reports. Were you?

*yeah, I saw those news reports too… and those pesky FBI files and their own writings that PROVE that none of those murderers were bullied.* Just because you ignore the facts doesn’t mean they go away, stupid.*

>everything that was written up about >these stories tells a tale of people >who did the bullying,

Interesting debating strategy. Resorting to outright lies. Not a very good one, mind you.

*try reading the fucking reports, dumbass*

>made some kind of statement about >bullies and then murdered people who >had NOTHING to do with the (so >called) bullying in the first place.

Killing people is wrong.

*well, no shit*

So is making someone’s life on earth such hell that he or she wants to spread the pain randomly to others.

*bullshit, you know that isnt true, their lives were proven to be quite nice. The Columbine murderers drove nicer cars than I do, and had plenty of friends. The more excuses you make the more pathetic your argument gets.*

>When Eric or Dylan (I cant remember >which loser was which anymore) asked >the girl if she believed in god before >putting a bullet in her face… what >did THAT have to do with bullying ?

I’d say it was a good example of it.

*yeah, that he was a fucking psycho who killed people without reason. not that he was bullied*

>Was his feelings hurt so bad that he >was forced to shot a girl dead in the >face ?

If he was treated like shit by others, it is understandable that he treats others like shit. Garbage in, garbage out.

*bullshit*

Why can’t you bullying apologists and legitimaters understand that?

*because the bully theory is an excuse not a cause. Fucking faggots like you want everyone else to be at fault, there is no way you are willing to place the blame on the parents who ignored the FACT that their kids are pieces of shit. You want society to take care of your little cunt sprouts, instead of YOU acting like a responsible adult and MAKING a responsible human out of that cum spill you gave your last name to.*

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April 24, 2007

jim

…and then what happened ?

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April 24, 2007

Jake

I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think. You are a stunned ass, homophobic repugtard, and liar to bootl

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April 24, 2007

Jake

>>>really ? do you ? were you there ?

>>No. But there were hundreds of news >>reports. Were you?

>yeah, I saw those news reports too… >and those pesky FBI files and their >own writings that PROVE that none of >those murderers were bullied.

They prove nothing of the sort. The FBI is downplaying the bullying aspect because they are a government institution and don’t want any blame directed at other government institutions. Doing this would give foundation to law suits worth billions.

>Just because you ignore the facts >doesn’t mean they go away, stupid.*

They aren’t facts repugtard.

>>>everything that was written up about >>>these stories tells a tale of people >>>who did the bullying,

>>Interesting debating strategy. >>Resorting to outright lies. Not a >>very good one, mind you.

>try reading the fucking reports, >dumbass

Why. Their hopeless biases. I prefer to read the recollections of fellow students and the words of the shooters themselves. Why the hell would they lie? They know they are going to die.

>>>made some kind of statement about >>>bullies and then murdered people who >>>had NOTHING to do with the (so >>>called) bullying in the first place.

>Killing people is wrong.

>well, no shit

I bet you supported the invasion of Iraq though repugtard.

>>So is making someone’s life on earth >>such hell that he or she wants to >>spread the pain randomly to others.

>bullshit, you know that isnt true,

Actually, I know it is true.

>their lives were proven to be quite >nice.

Bullshit.

>The Columbine murderers drove nicer >cars than I do,

You loser.

>and had plenty of friends.

Bullshit. They were a group of outcasts. A group of two.

>>>The more excuses you make the more >>>pathetic your argument gets.

>>>When Eric or Dylan (I cant remember >>>which loser was which anymore) asked >>>the girl if she believed in god >>>before putting a bullet in her >>>face… what did THAT have to do >>>with bullying ?

>>I’d say it was a good example of it.

>yeah, that he was a fucking psycho who >killed people without reason. not that >he was bullied

No, he killed them because he was bullied. That is the motive of most school shooters.

And the killing was, like bullying, undeserved and random/irrational.

>>>Was his feelings hurt so bad that he >>>was forced to shot a girl dead in >>>the face ?

>>If he was treated like shit by >>others, it is understandable that he >>treats others like shit. Garbage in, >>garbage out.

>bullshit

Yeah, your posts certainly are.

>>Why can’t you bullying apologists and >>legitimaters understand that?

>because the bully theory is an excuse >not a cause.

Of course its the cause you dumbass.

>Fucking faggots like you want everyone >else to be at fault,

I want everyone who is at fault to be at fault, you dumbass homophobe.

>there is no way you are willing to >place the blame on the parents who >ignored the FACT that their kids are >pieces of shit.

You repugtards are so loving, and so eager to place blame… on everyone that isn’t you or like you.

Were you a bully in school too repugtard?

>You want society to take care of your >little cunt sprouts, instead of YOU >acting like a responsible adult and >MAKING a responsible human out of that >cum spill you gave your last name to.

I want all children, mine included, to be able to go to schools that are safe and free from bullying and harassment. That way I won’t have to worry about them being damages, or about other damaged kids coming to school and shooting them up.

Dumbass repugtard.

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April 24, 2007

jim

They prove nothing of the sort. The FBI is downplaying the bullying aspect because they are a government institution and don’t want any blame directed at other government institutions. Doing this would give foundation to law suits worth billions.

*yeah yeah yeah government conspiracy, we get it. Bush is afraid that is the truth gets out about school bullys everyone will figure out that he planned 9/11, faked the moon landing and personally shot both Lincoln and JFK. Were you wearing your tin foil ?*

>Just because you ignore the facts >doesn’t mean they go away, stupid.*

They aren’t facts repugtard.

yes, they are. but I suppose a man dumb enough to be a cuckold wouldn’t be smart enough to do a little research anyway.*

u.

>try reading the fucking reports, >dumbass

Why. Their hopeless biases. I prefer to read the recollections of fellow students and the words of the shooters themselves. Why the hell would they lie? They know they are going to die.

ok, lets go with the fellow students. In the cases of Columbine, Red Lake and VT Nearly every student who came forth said the exact same things about the killers “scary, anti social, stuck to themselves or their little groups, bullied others, etc etc. The journals from one of the Columbine kids was riddled with stories about how he hated other groups because he didn’t fit in, but at the same time he said he refused to join in for racist and homophobic reasons. In the case of VT, Cho said in his videos that he hated other people because they were “rich and drank lattes”

I suppose you are going to spin that too ? *

>>>made some kind of statement about >>>bullies and then murdered people who >>>had NOTHING to do with the (so >>>called) bullying in the first place.

>Killing people is wrong.

>well, no shit

I bet you supported the invasion of Iraq though repugtard.

*exactly what I would expect from someone like you. You have no interest in this case, you are looking for republicans to blame for everything. I bet you were one of the dopes who thought it was cute to blame Bush for Katrina “he didn’t listen to global warming warnings so it is his fault that the hurricane hit”

Well guess what, faggot, I am not a republican. I just think you are the dumbest fuck I have met online to date.*

>>So is making someone’s life on earth >>such hell that he or she wants to >>spread the pain randomly to others.

>bullshit, you know that isnt true,

Actually, I know it is true.

*first hand ? evidence ? you have something you are holding back ? come on, dummy, show us what makes you so sure*

>their lives were proven to be quite >nice.

Bullshit.

*yeah, because it is so hard to believe*

>The Columbine murderers drove nicer >cars than I do,

You loser.

*I cant afford a BMW, their parents bought them all sorts of nice shit. thats probably why life sucked so bad.*

>and had plenty of friends.

Bullshit. They were a group of outcasts. A group of two.

*A group of 7 at Columbine, around 5 at Red Lake, and Cho’s roommates said they invited him out all the time.*

>>I’d say it was a good example of it.

>yeah, that he was a fucking psycho who >killed people without reason. not that >he was bullied

No, he killed them because he was bullied. That is the motive of most school shooters.

*then why didn’t they kill the bullies, or even so much as try to ? all the people who were killed by these psychos hardly knew them.*

And the killing was, like bullying, undeserved and random/irrational.

*rage that brings forth physical action is usually directed at the source of the rage, no (so called) bullies were killed by the shooters.*

>>Why can’t you bullying apologists and >>legitimaters understand that?

>because the bully theory is an excuse >not a cause.

Of course its the cause you dumbass.

*then fucking prove that they were bullied. I want some mother fucking proof*

>Fucking faggots like you want everyone >else to be at fault,

I want everyone who is at fault to be at fault, you dumbass homophobe.

*no, you want anyone who isnt the shooter to be at fault, your posts are quite clear.*

>there is no way you are willing to >place the blame on the parents who >ignored the FACT that their kids are >pieces of shit.

You repugtards are so loving, and so eager to place blame… on everyone that isn’t you or like you.

*I have no problem with my flaws, but then again, one of them isn’t murder.*

Were you a bully in school too repugtard?

*did you just pick up that phrase from one of your liberal slanted M.B.s ? you sure do use it a lot.*

>You want society to take care of your >little cunt sprouts, instead of YOU >acting like a responsible adult and >MAKING a responsible human out of that >cum spill you gave your last name to.

I want all children, mine included, to be able to go to schools that are safe and free from bullying and harassment.

*and killers perhaps ?*

That way I won’t have to worry about them being damages, or about other damaged kids coming to school and shooting them up.

*I would love to hear your song if your kid had been one of the victims. I know it would be completely different*

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April 24, 2007

jim

You don’t give a rats ass what anyone thinks, all that matters is your own pathetic agenda.

this statement You are a stunned ass, homophobic repugtard, and liar to boot.

*proves* that you have not read a thing I have said and that you are to busy worrying about who is on what side of the government to even consider the truth on THIS matter.

that and you are utterly stupid.

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April 24, 2007

Trench

Bullshit. They were a group of outcasts. A group of two.

Oh really?

http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

7. Outcasts: Perhaps the most pervasive myth is that Harris and Klebold were rejected outcasts. They were not captains of the football team, but they were far more accepted than many of their schoolmates. They hung out with a tight circle of close friends and partied regularly on the weekend with a wider crowd.

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April 24, 2007

D.P.

Oh, now, so there is a government conspiracy to cover-up bullying?! Come on man! That is totally STUPID!!!

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April 25, 2007

Anonymous

“…and then what happened ?”

who was that to and HUH?

The only mutants that exist are bullies like Trench, him and people like him are the reason Columbine happened

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April 25, 2007

jim

why not ? this liberal douche, that thinks an attack like “repugtard” is going to offend me, is obviously one of those dopes who treats every Michael Moore film like an actual documentary. I wouldn’t be surprised if he somehow blamed Bush for the VT shootings.

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April 25, 2007

jim

…and then what happened ?

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April 25, 2007

Jake

A conspiracy to cover up bullying no. A conspiracy to keep teachers, principals and those in authority for being responsible for stopping bullying and the consequences of bullying, you bet.

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April 25, 2007

Jake

LOL. You are such a dumbass repugtard you think the government wouldn’t possibly be downplaying its role in school shootings… after all, you still think they told the truth about Mai Lai, Iraqi soldiers throwing babies from incubators prior to GW1, genocide in Kosovo, WMD’s in Iraq before GW11 and that 19 uncannily lucky and very angry arabs did 911 without any inside help.

You really are a stunned piece of shit.

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April 25, 2007

jim

after all, you still think they told the truth about Mai Lai, Iraqi soldiers throwing babies from incubators prior to GW1, genocide in Kosovo, WMD’s in Iraq before GW11 and that 19 uncannily lucky and very angry arabs did 911 without any inside help.

You really are a stunned piece of shit.

*That whole piece destroyed any chance of me believing that you could possibly be intelligent. I didn’t care about Mai Lai because it was before I was born (same goes for JFK… I really don’t care who you think shot him, he is dead), I don’t know anything about babies being thrown from incubators, what in the fuck does the Serbs murder spree have to do with our government ?

and last but not least, anyone who thinks that 9/11 was a government conspiracy is just plain stupid. All the evidence is clearly filmed with absolutely NOTHING supporting the notion that our government had anything to do with it..

you are clearly not intelligent enough to chat here. scurry off little boy.*

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April 25, 2007

jim

Right, because it makes far more sense to allow a murder spree to be glorified with the “bully argument” rather than actually find the truth.

your stupidity runs deep.

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April 25, 2007

Jake

>That whole piece destroyed any chance >of me believing that you could >possibly be intelligent.

You aren’t smart enough to recognize intelligence you dumbass repugtard.

>I didn’t care about Mai Lai because it >was before I was born

but it happened, and the government lied about it at first repugtard

>(same goes for JFK… I really don’t >care who you think shot him, he is >dead), I don’t know anything about >babies being thrown from incubators,

Just how stupid are you? It was a lie used to garner public support for the first Gulf War.

>what in the fuck does the Serbs murder >spree have to do with our government ?

Try to keep up repugtard. The claim that there was genocide in Kosovo was another government lie.

>and last but not least, anyone who >thinks that 9/11 was a government >conspiracy is just plain stupid.

The majority of Americans now believe there is much more to 9/11 than the official conspiracy adequately explains. Interesting you think so lowly of your fellow citizens.

>All the evidence is clearly filmed >with absolutely NOTHING supporting the >notion that our government had >anything to do with it..

Repugtard, you are !@#$#$ hilarious.

>you are clearly not intelligent enough >to chat here.

We are not chatting, dumbass.

>scurry off little boy.

Keep your sick repugtard fantasies to yourself please.

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April 25, 2007

Jake

Slate? You are quoting Slate? What next, Wikipedia?

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April 26, 2007

Trench

I’m quoting Dave Cullen actually. The most objective journalist I know and probably the most knowledgeable person about Columbine there is.

But you’ve already proven that facts aren’t important to you.

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April 26, 2007

shos

Jim, stupid people are so annoying aren’t they? How do you read all his cmments without blowing a gasket!?

Jake- have you ever heard the saying about keeping your mouth shut and looking like an idiot, open your mouth and remove all doubt?You may want to take that advice.

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April 26, 2007

Jake

LOL. Shos, you are nearly as stupid as jim.

Do you want those email addresses so you can mail those parents whose children were driven to suicide because of bullying to tell them their children were not victims or not?

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April 26, 2007

shos

I think I’ll pass on that one. Did I ever say that young adults who resort to suicide were not bullied?
No

Did I ever say they weren’t victims of their own right?
No

What I said is that when you are going thru or have gone thru losing someone you love to a school shooter who may or may not claim to have been bullied, then you see who the real victims are.

Did I ever say that young adults who commit suicide because they claim to have been bullied aren’t victims?

I am glad they chose to go alone. It is unthinkable to take innocent lives with you. And before you ask if I have ever known anyone who has committed suicide, the answer is , “yes”, my father-in-law, 2 teenagers from the local highschool, who I knew, and a girl from my church. My answer is still, I’m glad they went alone.

Do I argue that no one is ever bullied, no, I know kids are bullied, I was bullied thru my growing up years. My brother was bullied to the point of my parents pulling him out of the public school system. Did we resort to murdering kids. NO

I do not argue the fact that kids are bullied, I argue the fact that it does not give them the right to take a life.

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April 26, 2007

Jake

>Right, because it makes far more sense >to allow a murder spree to be >glorified with the “bully argument”
>rather than actually find the truth.

English isn’t your first language I see.
I have not glorified what Cho did… anywhere, you dumbass repugtard. I’ve said Cho was bullied horribly as most school shooters are, that he is also a victim, and that if people want the shootings to stop we must get tough on bullying.

You reply by claiming, contrary to the available evidence, that the shooters weren’t bullied, FBI reports say so.

The FBI says a lot, and the government often lies, especially where its financial interests are at stake.

>your stupidity runs deep.

You aren’t even intelligent enough to recognize stupidity, much less intelligence, repugtard.

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April 26, 2007

Trench

I’ve grown tired of you. You’re nothing more than a tin foil hat wearing mutant.

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April 26, 2007

Dr. Spick

Interesting, very interesting.

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April 26, 2007

jim

Try to keep up repugtard. The claim that there was genocide in Kosovo was another government lie.

*so all those dead people weren’t really dead ? I get it, you are insane.*

>All the evidence is clearly filmed >with absolutely NOTHING supporting the >notion that our government had >anything to do with it..

Repugtard, you are !@#$#$ hilarious.

*yeah, me believing the clear evidence is much sillier than the big government cover up that you obviously believe in. Wings on the side of the Pentagon, but it MUST have been hit with a missile. Scientific evidence that steel can not withstand the heat generated from the explosions and jet fuel fires… but it must have been planted explosives.

God damn it, you are stupid.*

>you are clearly not intelligent enough >to chat here.

We are not chatting, dumbass.

*thats not the point, you shouldn’t be chatting with anyone, you should be hiding in your basement with tin foil… lots and lots of tin foil. Hurry back before George Bush gets ya.*

>scurry off little boy.

Keep your sick repugtard fantasies to yourself please.

*seriously… is that your best insult ? repugtard ? what does that even mean ? Is that supposed to be some kind of knee jerk quip that proves you joined the better team ? Oh lordy lord, like a great many dummies in this nation, this one picked a political side and is gonna stand by it no matter what.*

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April 26, 2007

jim

I wasn’t done destroying him 🙁

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April 26, 2007

jim

stick around… it gets better 😀

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April 26, 2007

jim

Jim, stupid people are so annoying aren’t they? How do you read all his comments without blowing a gasket!?

*I lose my cool often enough. I am getting used to people like him though. Our nation is being destroyed by the passive aggressive bullshit that people like him spew.
It is one thing to stand up and say our government wields to much power and we need to stop it before it gets out of control (which is true), but to whine online about how the government is out to get you and blame the government for every thing that goes wrong is utter lunacy.*

Jake- have you ever heard the saying about keeping your mouth shut and looking like an idiot, open your mouth and remove all doubt?You may want to take that advice.

*the only advise he takes is from liberal chat rooms that preach to the choir and Michael Moore films. He doesn’t want to hear or see a single fact until it is filtered, edited and photoshopped through them first.*

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April 27, 2007

Anonymous

This is now off topic…

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April 27, 2007

Danny

Oh, it seems the close minded asshole doesn’t want us here.

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April 28, 2007

Trench

By definition isn’t it closeminded to call someone closeminded?

And if a mutant fell in the sewer and no one was around to hear it would anyone care?

What’s the sound of one arm cutting?

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