Category: School Violence

  • Osantowski Confession Ruled Inadmissible

    Osantowski Confession Ruled Inadmissible

    Taped theft confession by teen is ruled inadmissible:

    As I mentioned yesterday, the taped confession of Andrew Osantowski admitting he broke into a gun shop could possibly be thrown out. Macomb County Circuit Judge Matthew Switalski ruled that the tape was, in fact, inadmissible…

    But Macomb County Circuit Judge Matthew Switalski ruled that Osantowski’s admission to stealing several weapons from a Clinton Township gun shop is inadmissible because he made the statements only after he was promised leniency if he cooperated with the investigation.

    But all is not lost…

    Prosecutors will still be able to use some of the Sept. 16 interview, in which 17-year-old Andrew Osantowski admitted to writing messages in online chat rooms that police believe were threats to kill a police officer, family members and his three cats.

    And like I said yesterday, Andrew Osantowski documented a lot of his criminal activity online. I think there is more than enough evidence to convict. But that’s just my opinion.

  • Some good news for once

    Some good news for once

    Student Injured in Red Lake Shooting Leaves Hospital:

    Some good news out of Red Lake for once. Jeffrey May was allowed to leave the hospital today. May suffered a stroke after being shot by Jeff Weise while May was trying to defend two other students. Unfortunately, his mother Jodi is still in guarded condition after suffering a stroke believed to have been brought about by the stress of the situation. My thoughts and prayers are still with the May family at this time.

  • One of the Osantowski Trials Starts

    One of the Osantowski Trials Starts

    Teen says cops threatened him:

    One of Andrew Osantowski’s trials started today. This one for an alleged break-in at a gun store. Osantowski himself is claiming that the videotaped confession was coerced by police…

    “He (the interrogating officer) was threatening me. First of all, he was sitting like an inch away from my face and pointing at me,” Osantowski testified in a pretrial hearing to determine whether his statements to police were voluntary and admissible. “Then he threatened that they would tear down my whole house, and said things like ‘No one would pay for it (the damage) either,’ or whatever.”

    Osantowski, who was at times flippant or challenging to prosecutors during questioning Tuesday, indicated in court that Clinton Township police Lt. Bruce Wade of the detective bureau advised him in a hallway or another room, shortly before the videotaped interview began, that he would suffer severely in the court system if he didn’t cooperate.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about it, though. On one of his websites that has since been removed. Osantowski brags about several break-ins he did at schools and private properties. I wouldn’t doubt it if he documented his break-in at the gun store.

    Defense attorney/comedian Brian Legghio seems like he’s throwing everything against the wall in the hopes that something sticks. So far, the walls have been Teflon.

  • 6/5/05 From The Mail Sack

    6/5/05 From The Mail Sack

    Haven’t done a Sunday Mail Sack in a while. Let’s get to it, shall we?

    The first one is from my entry on the Zero Hour documentary. Hold on, folks. It’s a long one…

    Nameless Says:

    Personally, I think Trench needs to think about his name calling against two people of which I doubt he would have called cowards and scumbags in person. I find your kind interesting, in that you can feel all high and mighty off of it, but it is sad because I highly doubt you would have said anything to them in person. Did you learn nothing from that documentary? I personally like to keep an open mind, giving everyone their own views and opinions and respecting them for such. However, Erich and Dylan were greatly misunderstood. I would also like to direct your attention to point that pieces of information, even on the day of the shooting itself, were false. Information such as the fact that the police, at one point in time during the shooting, believed there were more then two gunmen and even that there was a sniper on the roof. If you people search long and hard, and as well using more then one site for refrence so that you can reflect the material you find, you’ll start to understand things better…

    You call two men cowards who took their time to make several explosives, purchase weapons dispite being of legal age, carefuly plan, and actually killed people… Interesting… I wonder how many of you people can truely say that you would carefuly plant propane explosives, though they of course did not go off – I would like you to keep in mind that if they did, it would have killed an estimate of 300 or so students, and yet when those bombs didn’t go off… They still shot and killed people… Why don’t you ask yourself a simple question… What would a man with nothing to lose do?

    People like you, Trench, who think it is so great and wonderful to mock someone for being different and or because they do something outside of your beliefs or views, you people are the type of people who bring events like Columbine to reality. I, however, perhaps have no right to judge you or anyone. I don’t claim any drama calls for Eric and Dylans actions… I don’t sit here and say that they were doing it because of insecurity, though it was their so called fellow peers that aided in the reasons for them to do such things. I think that if you actually took the time to research materials out there, like per say Erich Harris’s journal entries or even go ahead and download the entire Columbine report (I can attempt to post a link to it actually if I can find it again but the version I found it in was in all PDF format) then perhaps you guys can start to understand the multiple sides to the story. Instead, you and the others are so quick to outcast them further because of what they did, regardless of the obvious that they themselves were victums. Some of the people they killed did not have anything to do with them actually, this I know myself. If you look at a lot of though, you’ll see that not a single one of them had a bad quality pointed out about them in any of the articles that were written about them after their deaths at Columbine. Interesting, don’t you think? There are more then just the sides of the people who were shot and killed. There are reasons for virtually everything. You would find it interesting to know that such things like the whole “asking so and so if they believed in god and then killing them because they said yes” were actually entirely false. You would find it interesting perhaps to learn that they didn’t have any real targets, dispite the fact that they did indeed say, “All Jocks Stand Up!” when shooting victims in the library. You can learn a good bit if you actually take the time to, instead of sitting here and mocking two beautiful people…

    Personally, I think Eric and Dylan were tragic heros… We need more people like them…

    Sunday May 29, 2005 @ 11:31 pm

    I may not have called them cowards in person, but I definitely would have called them scumbags because if they were still alive, they didn’t do anything yet to be called cowards. But being the two juvenile delinquents that they were, I definitely would have called them scumbags.

    So the police thought there may have been more than two gunmen. That doesn’t change the fact they killed 13 people in one of the most cowardly ways possible.

    And you go on about how careful their plans were, and that doesn’t make them cowards. It not only makes them cowards, it makes them psychopathic cowards.

    What do you mean, they had nothing to lose? Graduation was a short time away. If they thought like most rational people, they would have graduated and have been done with the school forever.

    I do not mock people for being different, unless, of course, they’re murderer worshiping mutants who don’t have the sense that God gave them. That’s not different. That’s just wrong.

    And do you mean the Columbine report that says Eric Harris’ so-called bullying was a whole two kids who made fun of him in gym class? The same one that said Dylan Klebold bullied a kid with a learning disability?

    They were not victims. What were they victims of? Upper-class suburbia? Spoiled rich kid syndrome? Spare me the blame society crap.

    And the Eric Harris Journal, yeah, I’ve read that too. I love it when people tell me to do my research when they obviously haven’t done theirs.

    Mocking two beautiful people? You have got to be kidding me. I see more as reviling two cowardly scumbags. They were not tragic heroes. They were two psychopathic cowards who couldn’t suffer enough for what they did. Seek professional help. It will do you some good.

    My last one is from my entry from when I started The Watchlist

    Sean Says:

    Oh how much I love what Harris and Klebold did. FINALLY someone has stood up for themself and told the world how they felt and I love what Jeff Weise just did also the revolution has already begun and no one can stop it not even you. 13-2 9-1 long live 4-20-99

    Wednesday Jun 1, 2005 @ 8:21 pm

    What revolution? What were they revolting against? Does someone want to tell me, please? Just remember parents, this could be your kid.

  • Louis Jourdain Charged

    Louis Jourdain Charged

    Tribe leader’s son faces 2 federal charges in reservation shootings:

    (Log in info)

    Louis Jourdain, son of Red Lake tribal leader Floyd Jourdain Jr., is being charged with two federal charges in connection with the Red Lake shootings. However, since Louis Jourdain is a juvenile, the nature of the charges have not been released.

    The St. Paul Pioneer Press is trying to get the records made public…

    After reporters were excluded from initial court hearings for the youth in Duluth, Minn., attorneys for the St. Paul Pioneer Press and its sister paper, the Duluth News Tribune, filed motions to open the court proceedings and unseal the records.

    The newspapers argued that while juvenile cases are normally private, the newsworthiness of this case made it unique. “It’s not a run-of-the-mill juvenile case,” said Joseph J. Roby Jr., the Duluth attorney who represented the papers.

  • Charges against Osantowski stand

    Charges against Osantowski stand

    Andrew Osantowski

    Terrorism charge sticks against Macomb teen:

    Andrew Osantowski will stand trial for the charges against him, including making a threat of terrorism. For those of you who may not remember who Andrew Osantowski is…

    Osantowski was arrested Sept. 16 after Idaho teen Celia McGinty became concerned upon reading his apparent plans in an Internet chat room for what he deemed a “rampage” at the Clinton Township public school. The girl told her father, a police officer, who in turn notified Clinton Township police. They then secured a search warrant that uncovered a cache of firearms at Osantowski’s home.

    Macomb County Circuit Judge Matthew Switalski quashed the motion to have the terrorism charges dropped. Defense attorney/comedian Brian Legghio tried to get the charges dismissed, stating the threats were protected under the First Amendment. The comedian himself had this to say…

    Defense attorney Brian Legghio called Switalski’s ruling Tuesday “a great disappointment” and said it runs contrary to the facts of the case and the way the judicial system interprets the First Amendment. He also said he is consulting with the boy’s family but wants to appeal the ruling prior to Osantowski’s trial date next week.

    “We feel the judge is wrong in his interpretation of the facts of the case and is buying the police logic of stringing together two ideas by inference to fit this charge,” he said. “When you criminalize any speech normally protected by the First Amendment, it has to be a true and unequivocal threat. You can’t criminalize the speech by reading into it what you think it means.”

    Isn’t the first thing they teach you in lawyerin’ school is about yelling “fire” in a crowded theater?

    If convicted on all charges, Osantowski could be put away for 22 years. The trial is set to take place next week.

  • 5/26/05: From The Mail Sack

    5/26/05: From The Mail Sack

    Let’s get caught up with my fan mail, shall we?

    The first one is from my entry on the now-defunct Panzerfaust Records trying to recruit school kids…

    Deutschlund Oberalist Says:

    :mrgreen:Let us not forget that more silently the Muslims are penetrating our society.

    Monday May 16, 2005 @ 2:08 pm

    I love first timers. First of all, the name you used to leave your comment is spelled incorrectly. Secondly, not all Muslims are terrorists, you racist prick. And lastly, your IP address traced back to the City of Houston. I hope you’re an employee there because I sent them a nice e-mail regarding your internet practices. Have a nice 3-day weekend. I hope it’s longer than that for you.

    This next one is from the 2/24/05 Mail Sack

    arf Says:

    yea eric and dylan are heroes to me so what!!!!!! they killed 13 people who cares if they were

    unarmed. i am sick and tired of undeserving people walking on this fuckin shithole of a planet.

    Columbine was a point in time to be rememberd as when two people took a stand for what they belive was there goal in life to take down as many worthless fucks as they culd!

    i wish i was there to have seen it. and if the so called “cowards” are burning in hell i will be very happy to se them when i get there!!!!!!!

    Saturday May 21, 2005 @ 7:25 am

    If you were there to have seen it, you’d probably have been killed. Do you think they would have cared about you? I doubt it. I hope you get to meet them too.

    Same mutant, different entry.

    arf Says:

    yes i want to shake there hands i want to pat them on the back and tell them what a great job they did.

    in response to earlier posts yes i am “psyco” and fucking proud to be! worthless motherfuckers will fall when the day is over!

    every1 is going to die you,me EVERYBODY!!!!!! so get over it. you talk about “god” you have no idea… there is no “god” all there is is mankind and it has no right to be here on this fucking planet. so enjoy the rest of your time on this earth because when its over your your gonna burn in hell just like i am and maybe then i will get to meet eric and dylan who really are “GODS”

    Saturday May 21, 2005 @ 7:41 am

    I’m just shaking my head at this one. Remember, people, this could be your kid.

    And it just wouldn’t be a Mail Sack without one from the Eric Harris journal

    christina Says:

    To FUX:

    if you think so strongly about that then why dont you fucking back up your theory of them being cowards? it takes balls to do something like that (not that you would know what it’s like to have balls or guts of any type). Even if you dont like what they did they are still revolutionaries, infamous ones, but revolutionaries none the less.

    Sunday May 22, 2005 @ 3:26 pm

    It’s not a theory, it’s a fact that they were cowards. Shooting random and unarmed people, then killing yourself to avoid any consequences is cowardly. There’s no debate about it. Revolutionaries? What are they revolting against? The spoiled white suburban lifestyle? Please. Cowardly, delusional, psychopaths. Nothing more.

  • The Secret Service Proves My Point

    The Secret Service Proves My Point

    Feds help schools identify dangerous students:

    This is an article about how the Secret Service tries to identify students who are potential school shooters.

    I noticed that nowhere in the article does it state that the Secret Service is trying to identify bullies. What’s my point? My point is, like I’ve said before, that with each school plot that is uncovered the focus becomes less and less about bullying and more about threats of violence against schools.

    Do I support bullying? Of course not. Like I’ve said before, I was bullied in school, but I got over it. Armed retaliation is not a logical response. But don’t believe me. Listen to this kid who got busted for it…

    Now in prison, the boy said he is in more pain now than ever. “You have to go day by day, remembering what you did,” he said.

    Think. Is it really worth it? When you get arrested and land in jail, you’ll find out a whole new definition of bullying.

  • The Myth Spreads Like Cancer

    The Myth Spreads Like Cancer

    Power and control drive school bullies:

    This is a long-winded article about bullying that brings nothing new to the table. Let me sum it up for you…bullying is and has always been a problem, teachers and students do nothing about it, and here are some tips to prevent it that don’t work in the real world. It’s the usual stuff in these anti-bullying articles.

    For once, I’d like to see some real information in these articles, like telling parents that their kid may be a bully. But as we all know, it’s not about personal responsibility anymore. And speaking of which, I have a bone to pick with a few words in this article. Mainly…

    One of those kids has been in police custody since September. Andrew Osantowski, 17, who is expected to stand trial June 7 in Macomb County, is accused of creating a hit list and plotting to blow up Chippewa Valley High School in Clinton Township. Schoolmates told the Free Press at the time of his arrest that he was the victim of near-constant bullying.

    He’s not alone. From Red Lake, Minn., to Columbine High in Colorado, bullying is partly blamed for deep-seated problems that end in tragedy.

    And the myth perpetuates once more. What makes it worse is that when it’s printed in a “legitimate” media outlet, people take it to heart as fact.

    In the case of Andrew Osantowski, I only saw him mention bullying once in the chat transcript, but never said if it was him being bullied. Also, on his websites, he never talked about bullying. He spoke mostly of his past criminal exploits and his fascination with Nazism. And if you’re telling people at school that you are a Nazi, then you’re inviting trouble on to yourself.

    In the case of Jeff Weise, he was the bully rather than the bullied. According to reports, he bullied kids who listened to rap music, which is ironic considering, he listened to rap himself.

    As far as I can tell in the FBI report, Eric Harris’ bullying consisted of being made fun of in gym class on two separate occasions and Dylan Klebold bullied the mentally handicapped.

    I know this asking a little too much, but journalists, please do a little more research before listing myth and urban legend as fact. When you print these myths as fact, it lends the would-be school shooter legitimacy to their violent plans for vengeance.

  • Dawn Anna

    Dawn Anna

    Dawn Anna

    Bully breakdown:

    Dawn Anna Townsend is the mother of Lauren Townsend, who was killed in the Columbine massacre. Recently, she spoke at a Pennsylvania high school, and she had some interesting things to say…

    “They hated everybody,” Townsend said about the gunmen who killed her daughter. “They hated her (Lauren Townsend) because she breathed and that she was in their way.”

    Townsend said one of the inaccurate reports that came out of the Columbine massacre was that the two murderers were retaliating against athletes who picked on them.

    “They (the killers) were the bullies,” Townsend said.

    Emphasis mine.

    And yet 6 years later, people are still holding on to that myth.

    She also had a lot of great things to say about bullying. The sad part is that I’m sure it fell on deaf ears.

    I remember when I was in school that every time we had some kind of speaker come in to talk to us about some problem, we spent the rest of the day making fun of the presentation. I hope today’s students aren’t like that, but I know that some things never change.

    Not to mention the fact that the reality is there always have been bullies and there always will be. That’s just an unfortunate fact of life. Therefore, it’s up to the schools to realistically do something about bullying. And the parents…

    Townsend also speaks with parents. She reminds parents that their children don’t need them to be their best friends, they need them to be parents.

    “When your child becomes older, then you become best friends,” she said, urging parents, teachers, and especially students, that ignoring suspicious activity in people could have dire consequences.

    “The warning signs are a road map,” she said.

    Emphasis mine.

    It’s just too bad that a lot of people won’t listen to a woman who is saying all the right things. The right things that used to be known as common sense.