Kayla Hassel: Mad and sad

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One of the suspects in the Victoria Lindsay has had her statements to an assistant state attorney released to the press. 15-year-old Kayla Hassel seems to be claiming that she’s a victim.

She talks about how she was mad and felt bad after she saw the video after her release and how she’s had unwanted attention because of it. She also claims that it was never anyone’s intention to post the video to MySpace or YouTube. Right, what else do kids do with videos like this?

Hassel also turns on Brittani Hardcastle by saying it was Hardcastle that was encouraging others to beat Victoria. She also said that she was afraid of getting between the two because of how little she is.

I guess she thinks it’s all about her. Just like the rest of them.

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183 responses to “Kayla Hassel: Mad and sad”

June 27, 2008

navigator

She wasn’t to scared to be all up in Victoria’s face, when Hardcastle was beating her, yelling at her… cussin like a sailor…. oh! she was so scared….LOL!! She is mad that she got caught … the day these little brats where arrested, Kayla and Mercedes where together making up the story they would tell… their statements match almost PERFECT… you know this girl was much more involved then she says she was.

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June 30, 2008

SiCK-oF-THiS-Sad-WOr

Ha! She pinned it on someone else. wasn’t she the one that was doing most of the beating. COME ON! It doesn’t matter if you were scared. If someone is getting injured BADLY, you step up and act like an ADULT! I am 13 and already know better than them. How could someone be SO STUPID into thinking it is the right thing to do? You don’t sit there and think it is okay because “She said something mean on MySpace!” How childish is THAT? These girls think THEY were they victims. I am sure all that was hurt in them was their FISTS. Victoria lost a lot more than them. These are the kind of girls that make me SICK! How does ANYONE think this is okay!? They are going to grow up VERY violent and end up BACK in jail. I think they will never learn anything if they seriously think that NONE of this was their fault but rather, the girl they beat up because she said something they didn’t approve of on myspace! AGH! I just think it is all so sick.

These girls need CONSTANT attention and help. If they don’t learn now, they are going to end up killing someone. And I feel that they need to learn their lesson the HARDEST WAY POSSIBLE! Just not with beating or anything like that!

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July 1, 2008

amyv

Latest info I think this girl got off of house arrest yesterday. They are not going to learn now. 3 of them charges dropped. two left off of house arrest. Nope didn’t learn. Poor victim. victimized again.

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July 1, 2008

amyv

navigator hello have seen your blogs on the ledger. I won’t go on there anymore because it became forum for bleeding hearts for the perps and a political bashing. blaming everything of the sheriff. Way to show these girls responsibility. Accusing the sheriff withmaking false statesments even with all the evidence. But, sticking up for the girls who haven’t told the truth from day one. Totally agree Kayla and Mercades got their stories straight to turn on the others. Oh. Oh. I think Brittini Hardcastle might have something to say to the runs who ratted her out. Kind of reminds me of that country song how do you like me know. Should get interesting. Not quit sure yet but do believe it was Kayla Hassel who was left off of house arrest but her attorney doesn’t want that published. Wander why?

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July 2, 2008

navigator

Amyv,

Exactly, these girls, nor their parents, have learned a thing. They will continue to treat others with no respect, have no respect for authority and the parents will continue to teach this lack of respect to their kids. None of them should be off of house arrest… what makes me so mad is that Hardcastle was just let off house arrest, and she is the one who beat Tori the most in the video, she is smiling while putting on her lipgloss in court after they let her off of house arrest… shows me she has not learned a thing except how to get out of taking responsiblity for your actions. Kayla Hassel will learn the same and so on… these girls will do it again, except next time, like Cara Murphy says, the only thing she has learned is to not video tape something because you can get in big trouble…

WOW!! What a great lesson to learn…. (sarcasim)… they learned to do things differently next time, to not get caught ..and that, to me, is the sign of some really bad criminals who need EXTENSIVE rehabilitation.

Yeah, it figuers that if Kayla gets off house arrest that the attorney will protect her… it’s all about protecting the CRIMINAL today, and punishing the victim… makes me sick!

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July 2, 2008

amyv

I have a daughter her age. It just breaks my heart to see what some of these girls have turned into in our society. I have been preaching to her and all of her friends about how horrible this was and they all say “Oh they won’t get in trouble”. Now what do I tell them. Yea your right adults will not punish them for this behavior. My mom loved me dearly but, she would have taken me into the police station herself if I would have done something like this. She would have stood beside me, as any parent would do, but she would not have defended by actions. These girls are so ruthless. I would not let them within 10,000 feet of my daughter. Anyone who would hire them for a job is crazy. As, for they want off of house arrest to go to church… Don’t even know what to say about that one. They knew that would just get the judges sympathy. If I would have been the judge I would have said O.k. one hour off of house arrest to go to church and that is it. That would have stopped them from using that excuse. Also, I noticed something new on the video. When the lights are off in the living room, look real hard and you can see Brittini Hardcastle go to the front door and lock it as Tori is saying she justs wants to leave. SICK. Hats off to you 13. Sounds like you are on the right track. Be proud of yourself for know this is terrible behavior, even when adults dont’t.

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July 2, 2008

LawAndOrder

Looks like Kayla is back on MySpace… Friend ID 393441760 / username kayla_marie1013

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July 2, 2008

mark

I thought they weren’t allowed to use things like myspace and youtube etc…

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July 2, 2008

LawAndOrder

Ok. An update on Kayla. Apparently her pre-trial restrictions were removed. In other words, she is allowed to use MySpace again.

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July 2, 2008

amyv

I though she was just release from house arrest. Does she still not have a curfew? No myspace? What about not being able to talk to the other defendants? What not be able to talk to the poor victim. Is this so she can turn states evidence. How many of them do they need? She did hit this girl, screamed in her face and was up to her eyeballs in all of it. I don’t get it. Looks like they are all going to get off.

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July 2, 2008

Navigator

I have not seen anything about Kayla getting off of house arrest or any restrictions lifted for her… Brittni Hardcastle has been let off of house arrest… Where did you see this?

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July 2, 2008

LawAndOrder

06/30/2008 PARTIES-JOINT STIPULATION TO AMEND PTR COND

That showed up on her court record.

That basically means the prosecution and Kayla’s lawyer came to an agreement to “amend” PTR. I guess she got this as a reward for giving a deposition on June 11.

The registration date on that MySpace account is July 1, just one day after her PTR was “amended.”

I have no idea why no news outlet has yet reported on what exactly was done to her PTR.

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July 2, 2008

john

I said this on the last page, but since everyone seems to have moved over to this one:

Look at the last couple minutes of this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_gZZZHUAg. I thought this clip was released with Tori&rsquos face blocked out? How did this guy get a version without it? I have to say, it makes it even worse now that you can see how surprised, frightened, hurt, and upset Tori is through her ordeal.

To SiCK-oF-THiS-Sad-WOrLD13, look up the word “weltschmerz.” Does it describe your outlook?

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July 2, 2008

amyv

Can one of you guys please help me. I am not very computer savy on getting onto someones myspace. Can you please walk me through it step by step.Thank you. Ha 13 when you look up that word please let me know what it means. Ha. Ha. My contacts are bothering me.

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July 2, 2008

amyv

oh, also John unfortunately their are quit a few tapes on the computer now with the victims face unblocked. It is much more sickening. poor girl. I am surprised you found one on youtube they have been pretty good about keeping it off.

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July 2, 2008

amyv

I did find the myspace. Can’t really tell if that is her. According to a source Kayla Hassell had all pretrial conditions lifted. Get ready for this one next up before the judge April Cooper up next. Got a fancy lawyer will go before judge. UNBELIEVEABLE.

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July 3, 2008

john

amyv- That one on youtube was the first I ever saw unblocked. Where did you see others? I know the second tape was released without the block, but the first one always had a block.

About that word, I was just commenting on that guys name- weltschmerz is an overall sadness about the state of this world.

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July 3, 2008

amyv

john – I apologize it was the second tape I was referring to. Get a little tired this late at night. This is sickening. But, the way its going I am not sure any of this girls are going to be punished for this. For anyone who feels sorry that they are scared the public is mad at them, no punishment will only make that worse.

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July 3, 2008

amyv

Looked it up on youtube. Not there anymore. Someone must have flaged it. Thank god. Since youtube said they would not carry it.

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July 4, 2008

D Weaver

Have seen videos on Headline News and Fox News with her face no longer blacked out. And ~ gotta love our “justice” system ~ doesnt look like the girls that did the crime will face much punishment at all.

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July 4, 2008

amyv

Yes I agree. I don’ think they are going to get the punishment they deserve. Judge Spoto keeps letting them all off. But maybe that old saying what goes around comes around will apply. Can’t imagine anyone trusting any of these girls again. obviously, since alot of them turned on each other they won’t be friends anymore. And they wonder why criminals are often repeat offenders. They know our justice system is a joke. I hope the vitim may be able to get civil justice.

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July 6, 2008

amyv

Oh my god. I just saw some of the video without her face blocked out. I can not believe it. Ten years in jail for everyone of these fat bullies. Especially, Brittini Hardcastle. How could they all sit their and beat on this girl like that. Even if you were one of the ones that didn’t hit her. It is totally sickening. Not one of them is sorry. This girl is mad because they are getting threats. Good, I hope they are all scared. Just like this poor girl must have been scared for her life. When is the trial so that judge can not let anymore of them off with no punishment? This is ridiculous. Please don’t think I mean death threats are o.k. Let them know how it feels to be scared. thats o.k. with me. Since a lot of them turned on each other, it will be interesting to see what happens if they acccidentally bump into each other somewhere. I mean poor “little” Kayla said she was scared of Brittini Hardcastle, of course that was a big fat lie. But, now she probably should be. Oh well. Your lies will come back to haunt you sometimes. I hope this is going to be a jury trial. Because I can’t imagine anyone, besides the judge, watching the whole video and not giving these girls the hard time they deserve.

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July 7, 2008

M. Hutchence

unbelievable… from other sources i’m reading, yes it looks like they will all walk . At first i felt that as long as the justice system would work, ie) see to it that none of these girls would avoid serious time and probation, that the public should leave them alone. But seeing that they all just get a slap on wrist maybe they should have a good dose of karma heading their way. This judge needs to be demoted to shit scooper at the local zoo.

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July 7, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch the girls who hit tori on the video will not walk! thats silly!! i didnt here that anywhere.

and what do you mean public should not leave them alone? and karma?? you seem so angry

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July 7, 2008

M. Hutchence

E, It doesn’t seem any of these girls feels at all like they did anything wrong. It’s all over the place that even the hardest perpetrators involved here are getting all kinds of eased restrictions and breaks.
to me any ways. Yes – I am angry I still don’t want to see any of them hurt or killed mind you, but definitely a good dose of Karma if it will help them become better humans in the long run.

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July 7, 2008

M. Hutchence

Hey- if they walk un punished, what do you suggest? we throw them an F’n party?

I clearly stated here many times i do not go for the eye for an eye deal, more directly i do not condone that we, beat them to where they lose some vision and hearing, NO!

Karma?? DEFINITELY!!- that could mean a spiritual awakening, brain cancer, death of a loved one, something, or ANYTHING to make them appreciate life- perhaps, rather than continue with plotting to outnumber, ambush and beat the shit out of people who can’t defend themselves.

Upon reading all the stuff going on lately, it seems that STILL NONE of them seem to have an ounce of remorse or understand what they did, and that is REALLY un nerving to me.

Some of the kids i have worked with have intentionally killed other kids- shot them or stabbed them on a dare. and believe me, this is how it starts. Does it always go this far ? NO.

No- It’s like saying smoking pot can lead to heroin. Not always but enough times it can.

In the cases where it does, you can predict and watch it escalate and then someone really gets hurt, maimed or killed and its time for our society to take this shit seriously.

Hear me, some of the gang youth i work with? In short time they express tons more remorse for the things they have done than any of these … girls have.

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July 7, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch, i really dont understand. only cara can talk and she said sorry like 6 times and thats not cause she like killed someone but cause she didnt stop a beating. i dont read her mind but i dont judge her why should i say shes lying?

and the other girls cant speak can they?

and i read aprils grandad died, thats bad. and she had b-day under house arrest. and she will get punished. what more do you want?

and i dont think they plotted to ambush anyone, only to kick tori out. but she returned cause that woman who drove her there said they have to let her back in. and they screamed at tori to fight one on one with them, its right there on the video. they did wrong but why do people say they did stuff they didnt do? i see that all the time peole just say what they hear on tv and its not true. like everyone said cara did the camera but you can see cara on the video so she didnt.

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July 7, 2008

Diane W

ummmmmmm they didnt plot anything? then why were there two guys standing “guard” outside?

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July 7, 2008

Electronica

di they didnt stand guard they werent there they left your so behind like a month they are free the cops screw up or just lied them make up stuff too.

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July 7, 2008

demand justice

electronica:

what more do we want? we, the public, want justice!! they came close to KILLING that girl… they almost broke her neck slamming her into a wall like that… and they coulda fractured her skull… they should be locked away for life without parole anything less would be a travesty

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July 7, 2008

LawAndOrder

Pretrial conference is tomorrow at 8:30AM eastern time. All suspects still being charged will have to appear. Don’t expect any video of it though, as the news media doesn’t seem to care about the case anymore.

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July 7, 2008

Laurie

Electronica – you want people to give them kudos for the things they didn’t do? A threesome of girls, against one girl? There is nothing wrong with that?

Three strong shows how these girls truly are immature cowards. Otherwise, they would have handled their issues one on one with Tori – and in a non-violent way. It doesn’t take someone with brains to hit, punch, kick, and talk trash. As my father used to say, where we they when God handed out the brains? Behind the door?

These girls are already living their karma. If you listen or read the transcript, DUH, instant karma because – Everyone is passing judgement. None of the reasons make any sense, they do not state any kind of intelligent argument – I would be embarrassed and humiliated to let so many people see me beat on someone (with 2 others for back up) and not even talk sense when I was doing it – not to mention that it was not a fair fight. Such childish crap!!! Who cares if Who is a whore??? Who cares about who is sleeping with who??? Get over it.

And, karma again with the threats to their life. Gee, I wonder if any of them regrets what they did? I wonder if any of them realize there is a better way to handle problems?

Obviously, they need anger management.

It is also clear that they wanted to fight (Especially BH) and just commit violence for the fun of it – no real reason (Is there ever a good reason, other than self defense?) It is obvious that these girls have real issues, and will need help to achieve a peaceful, successful life. Who is teaching them what the REAL important things in life are????

If they continue on in this manner, who knows if they will make it to their 25th birthday.

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July 7, 2008

Diane W

Very well said, Laurie. Thank you for info L&ampO.

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July 7, 2008

Electronica

laurie you just agreed with me their screwed already that was my point mr. hutch said their not. and all i said more is no need to make up stuff they didnt do but you dont so im ok with that.

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July 7, 2008

Electronica

dj you dont know they did anything like that their not in for trying to murder her their in for misdemeaner beating its probation normally but cause its on tv people want blood. kids do stuff like that every day but get just probation.anyway gn.

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July 7, 2008

amyv

Electronica
You want facts here we go per police reports, available on line and the video tape.
witness:Christine Dorsett, girl who dropped Tori off mentions two boys at Mercades door per police report. Tori statement same thing. police officer said girls when first arrested said boys should go down for this to they knew about it (on police report). Mercades, Kayla, BH outside screaming at Tori. Tori goes in the house opens door to bedroom April Copper hiding inside per police report. Tori trying to pack her stuff April screaming B.H. and believes Mercades blocking bedroom door. Cara filming. B.H. screaming hit her, then says a boys name and Apirl hits her 25 times (on the tape). Tori does not hit back begs her to quit. She does not. Girls making some weird orgasmic sounds in background “Uh, yea baby. Uh, yea.” On tape. a disturbing sound of pleasure these words. Tori asks to use phone says she wants to leave is told no. on tape. Lights go on Tori realizes just how many girls are their. Brittini Hardcastle says things to make her face been seen on camera. “I”m talking to you, why did you turn away.”Wants her pointing towards camera on tape. Don’t see Cara much on these tapes so just who is taping this. Brittini Hardcastle pounds on her, April copper pounds on her on tape and once again per police report. Kayla Hassell hits her and so does Brittany Mays. Per police report from Tori and as stated by police on video not yet released. Tori herself says Mercades and Cara never hit her. If she wanted to lie she could have said they all did it. States Mercades blocks door and won’t let her leave. Shows on tape Brittini Hardcastle blocking door NO DOUBT. They were not letting her leave. Beating stopped because Mercades had to pick up her NaNa. Who knows how long they would have kept this up. Tori says just let me walk for help Brittini H. says no takes her by the arm forces to into Mercades car (This I would think is definitely kidnapping). If I told you no I didn’t want to get in the car with you and you force me THAT IS KIDNAPPING. The other girls take off with the boys(how convenient you mean the boys who knew nothing about it/) per Kayla Hassels statement on tape to police. Then they all meet up at the boys house and watch the tape. Once again per Kayla Hassell on tape with prosecutor. Cara Murphy said she was sorry for the situation. Said she didn’t know it was that bad until she saw the tape. Are you kidding me.
Her message to teenagers watch what you tape because you can get in a lot of trouble. Not one I’m sorry the victim was beat up that way. Kayla Hassel on recording to prosecutor “i’m mad because we are all getting threats. Stated she was scared of Brittini H. No way on tape right in between Tori and Brittini screaming in her face. So who is making stuff up about these girls. They have lied so much, even if its on the video, you can’t believe a word they say. Video cameras don’t lie and tape recorders don’t either. April and Mercades also turned against the other girls when four of them got together and made up a story they hadn’t seen Tori in about a month.

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July 7, 2008

LawAndOrder

To add to what amyv said:

You can also see Hardcastle close and deadbolt the front door casually in the newer video. Watch closely in the dark part when the camera enters the living room. The light showing the door ajar disappears as Hardcastle leans against it, then the reflection of the deadbolt lock disappears momentarily.

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July 7, 2008

amyv

As per the medical. According to hospital records definite concussion with loss of consciousness. Working in the medical field I can tell you this will leave you very disoriented. Haven’t seen the whole tape perhaps Tori had exact time wrong or was very dizzy and thought she passed out. The photo Brittini Hardcastle took is the most telling. Large swollen Knot on left side of forehead and large swollen knot just above right eveybrow. Look close slight blood between lips because they are closed. When Tori called 911 her friends mother says she has blood in her mouth and she thinks a tooth might have got knocked out. This woman is a nurse. Black eyes and swelling are not their worst right after the beating. The swelling gets worse the next day and continues over the next few days. Per hospital report partial lose of hearing due to swelling. This we can not see we are not doctors. We also do no know how many knots she had on her head underneath her hair. She took many of these blows to the head. Have not heard mentioned why victim is wearing sling on left arm in police photographs. Can see arm is bruise and appears to be swollen. Since she blocked a lot of the blows you can see most were taken in the head. These girls could have easily killed her. Sometimes all it takes is on blow to the head to kill someone. Please let me know which of these facts I am reporting are false.

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July 8, 2008

M. Hutchence

E, they all grouped up, they had a meeting place… they had cameras, they had two idiots who will never be men, close enough to hear victoria get wailed on for half an hour.

THAT IS A
P L O T.

ie) plan to cause duress and assault.

and sadly you are right, this crap happens every day somewhere, probably right now it is happening.

Time for it to stop

most of the gang members i work with- when they do “jump ins” the duration is about 4 minutes.

I don’t condone this,

but i’m just saying a half an hour to be held against your will and beat by a group of ingrates is a long flippin time.

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July 8, 2008

M. Hutchence

Amy, thanks for the add on, I too work in the medical field and do volunteer outreach program work 3 days a week.
She easily could have been killed or turned into a vegetable.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

amyv you call facts stuff that you dont know for sure and you report only what you like and skip what you dont like. thats bad not as bad as others but still bad.
i said they didnt lure tori and they didnt. i read the reports too you know. tori was going back there from beach on her own not cause someone told her come home.
and i said they didnt plan to beat her and they didnt. cause they kicked her out! you just skip that part cause you hate them. that woman said tori was kicked out with all her things packed but shes on the yard and doesnt want to leave she doesnt wanne go home i guess and doesnt know where else to go. but like the girls scream at her to leave for 20 minutes. thats like the stupidest plan to lure and beat someone i ever heard of. so the woman gets pissed and says no you will let her come back for like an hour or two and let her make phone calls. and shes a grownup so they say ok. and she splits she doesnt wanne have tori on her hands. and tori goes in and hardy sees her and says get out! and she says no and goes to mercs room and theres april and aprils not hiding thats silly april has no clue tori would come back! so again if this is a conspiracy im the pope!
and ppl make it look like all the girls knew whats supposed to happen but its clear they didnt. like on the vid one girl yells many time at the fat bully to let tori go. but tv doesnt tell you that and ppl dont tell you that cause they dont like the truth. and tori said april told her to leave but others said no. and tori said kayla said yu can use my phone when im done textin but merc took the phone away. and tori said cara looked sad. it makes no sense if all the girls got together and said we must beat her close to death.
and the boys left thats the point. their neighbors said so and they said look at the video at some shop somewhere but cops refused to listen i read that already long before persecution let them go. persecution wouldnt let them free if it wasnt so and if any girl said they were lookouts. and i never read anywhere any girl but tori said they were lookouts and tori was just saying what she thinks not what she knows she didnt say she saw them out the window kayla says shed see them outa window and didnt.

and its like that with other stuff you say half the truth at best and that way you can make it all look as you want it to look. but theres no use arguing much you all made up your minds and you just hate and hate. i said from the start it was wrong to beat tori or even just not to stop it. but it doesnt mean ppl should make up stuff doesnt mean tv should make up stuff doesnt mean cops should make up stuff and it doesnt even mean they all should just say half the truth.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

and most kids are like cara they woudnt do much and many would take a swing too its sad but true. im not like that or even like cara but its often trouble for me so i dont look down on others i know its not easy.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch see what i told amiv there was no plot.
its bad what they did so why make it look worse? cause it was on tv all the time? and cause ppl beleive what their told on tv thats why and once their mad they dont think again their just mad many grownups are like that with kids they say its like that and end of discusion. but your a doc you should think not just be mad.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

and mr. hutch they just had one camera and they like went to a beach together i think so why wouldnt they be there? girls hang out all the time at each others place its normal its not conspiracy.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

oh and mr. hutch a real jump is so much worse! if its 3 or even 2 on 1 you go down and get kicked all over cant defend 4 minutes is like an hour and if you blank out they may not notice and keep kicking.
id much rather be beat like tori its like argue and argue and argue and hit. i bet it was less than 4 minutes total more like two or three they argue so much. and if you get hurt you can say stop im hurt. and you can say im not arguing anymore if you hit me again. if you can try to leave your not beat that bad. i dont understand how you can say a jump is better no one i know would agree theyd laugh at that.

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July 8, 2008

Diane W

Hutch, and most of the rest of you, right on the money.

E, wish you could figure out the real world and maybe even learn to spell, sheesh.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

and amyv cara said shes sorry and said she could have done more to help tori and you dont even know what else she said cause tv doesnt tell you all she said. and kayla said shed apologize to tori and that shes sorry and that it went way too far. and you know from what they say you just pick what you want and say thats true and what you dont like you say they lie. and you know even if they apologize 1000 times youd say their not sincere wouldnt you? you just hate them and nothin theyll say will change you mind will it?tis your right but it doesnt mean your right.

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July 8, 2008

LawAndOrder

Electronica:

To your point about the “grown up” forcing to let Tori stay… that grown up, Christine Dorsett, is only 19. I doubt there was a “grown up” factor that intimidated them into “letting” Tori stay.

The video in the convenience store was taped over by the owner.

Nothing in this case was “made up.” It’s all in the police reports.
Yes, April told her to “go.” I interpret that as April telling her to leave the bedroom, not the house.

It was not 4 minutes. The entire video is approximately 30 minutes long according to the initial Sheriff press release. The reason they aren’t showing the rest yet is because it’s too graphic for TV, and because it must be preserved for the trial.

Cara said, and I quote “I guess I would say I’m sorry,” and she said it in an extremely insincere tone of voice. That little press conference she had was coached.

If these girls were truly sorry, they would confess and plead guilty and accept their punishment.

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July 8, 2008

M. Hutchence

Hey E-

You will make a great defense lawyer some day, i encourage you to go for it. It is always good to look at both sides, but, you REALLy seem to go beyond defending these girls.

I’m a pharmacist, not a doctor, and i am fairly blunt. Especially when i see this stuff and what it produces 3 days a week.

first of all, Tori suffered far more injuries than most of the jump victims i have seen and talk to on a routine basis.

What part of the vid am i missing E? I clearly see girls preventing her from leaving, and i clearly see at least two wailing the tar out of her. I see her begging to leave. It’s sickening, and those
vagrant dogs that beat her and held her against her will should be put away until they learn better.

E, you seriously should put the same amount of effort you put into making light of these kids into
kicking ass in school and going on for a law degree. there is a ton of money to be made in defending criminals no matter what age they are.

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July 8, 2008

Diane W

Hutch, hope last post was said tongue-in-cheek (re E being defense attorney)

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

law i meant 2-3 mins total beating. and i didnt read they had 30 mins vids i doubr that. and cops do make up stuff. and they waited until it gets erased thats the point they begged them to get the tape asap but they refused is what i heard.
and cara said sorry like 6 times but if you dont like her youll never believe her so what its not to you she done wrong.
and why should cara say shes guilty if shes not? makes no sense to me.

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July 8, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch you know i always said they did wrong and i never defend the wrong. i only say treat them fair. its ok to be mad at them but one should be fair. if not what do they learn? just that grownups are bigger bullies than they no?
and i dont have school anymore so when im not out its ok if i post sometimes.

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July 9, 2008

M. Hutchence

Actualy D, if i’m not mistaken E is fairly young (teens)?

As she gets older, and if she follows a good path,
she might really make a great defense attorney.

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July 9, 2008

amyv

law and order
I am glad you mentioned the part of the tape where you can see the door ajar and BH closing and locking it. It is something i noticed also. Although, it is hard to see that is exactly what happened. I am now a lawyer but, i would like to know the legal difference between kidnapping and false imprisonment. I know this a least qualifies as false inprisonment. Once again forcing someone into the car and transporting them to another location does qualify as kidnapping. So maybe false inprisonment for 6 girls and kidnapping for the three in the car.

Electronica –
From the beginning the police have stated their is 30 minutes to this tape. So you are a little far behind. Everything I stated was backed up with facts by police reports, statements taken from the police from the witness, victim and perps. I myself would rather be jumped for 4 minutes.We have seen approx. 5-6 minutes of this tape. As far as the yelling and screaming going on that was for a mental beatdown. Four of the girls hit her not just 2 per police report and stated to be on video. Just imagine yourself in that situation. Locked in unable to get out. Yes, sweet little April did say you can go after the first part of the beating. But, some of the others didn’t let her go then so April did beat her some more. On the tape. i guess the first 25 punches April threw were not enough. You have girls punching you (yes one at a time) you don’t who or when the next blow will be thrown. Continous screaming in background to hit her and calling her names. Causing more and more mental distress. After, B&gtH&gt beats her on the coach she tries to get up and April cooper jumps on her and starts wailing on her. By the door when Brittini Hardcastle was beating her mercilessly Kayla Hassel was screaming and pointing in her face. Kayla Hassel did hit her per police report and stated to be on remainder of tape. This is how some of us come to the conclussions that these girls are not showing remorse. Kayla Hassel says she would have helped the victim get out if she wasn’t scared of B.H. and the tape contradicts that statement. I think the only one that might have been scared was Cara Murphy but since she got all charges dropped so she doesn’t want to admit it. (now that is my opion on her, not fact based). Also, who said Tori every went outside with all of her stuff. The girl who dropped her off never stated that in her police report. On the tape you can see Tori picking up some of her stuff off the bed. If she was all packed up why would she be trying to repack it. The parts I say they lie about are the parts that directly contradict what you see on the video. If you look at the ledger it plays Kayla Hassel video taped apology and then shows the tape right above. Her words don’t fit her actions. And saying you are sorry and then saying your advice would be not to tape anything it can get you in a lot of trouble. Maybe Cara is sorry. She should have just choosen her words better. I would like to see all of them show remorse for what they have done. Unfortunately, we have not seen alot of this. And, as far as the boys go, I don’t know what it shows on the other part of the tape. I do know per witness that dropped her off statement that their were two boys there at that time. Maybe it was two other boys, who knows. And, I do know per April Cooper on tape that the boys did take some of the girls somewhere right after the beating and then they went to the boys house and watched the tape. Doesn’t prove guilt but, doesn’t really lean towards no involvement either. Also, police reported when they girls were in the holding cell they mentioned the boys by name and said if we go down for this so do they. According to police report statement of one of the boys forgot which one when tape was off the boy said they know about a plan and posting in on youtube. Then the officer said when the tape recorder was turned on the boy changed his story. But, I don’t know maybe the police are lying on all of their reports. What do you think counselor?

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July 9, 2008

Laurie

Amazing that you, Electronica, think that ‘only 2 or 3 minutes’ of ACTUAL BEATING TIME, is some type of defense for these girls, and who they are, and what this behavior says about all of them!

It only takes a second to kill someone by ‘accident’ – Can you imagine what someone would look like if they were beat, for the entire 30 minutes. I bet you wouldn’t know who the heck they were, because of the damage. Don’t these girls realize that punching, kicking, hitting actually causes damage to the human body? Unless, of course, you are in extreme sports, and even then, the guys still have plenty of damage, bruises, cuts, concussions. Or maybe they get beat regularly at home, so they don’t realize that they are inflicting pain? What’s up with that?

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

and amyv im not kayla and im not cara so im not gonne argue if their sorry or not i just dont judge so quick you do im not tori she can decide herself.

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

and amyv do you say cops say kaylas on video hitting tori? if so why she says she didnt hit tori? im not saying shes not lying but if cops say its on tape and shes like under oath and knows that and still says no shed be real stupid no?

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

well amyv tori did get kicked out with all her stuff her ride says so she says “victoria came back out and she was crying and she had all her things and said she was kicke out” so thats being kicked out idk why no one admits it. and tori didnt wanne leave and didnt want to go home to her parents and didnt have a phone. so she wanted to be let back but it took like 20 mins for her to get back and only after her ride told them to let her back. and toris not repacking i dont see that.

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

and amyv i and never heard the girls saying the boys were lookouts or whatever if they did they wouldnt be free now would they. and i never heard of some boy saying this and then saying that it sounds strange idk where you got that from.

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July 10, 2008

Diane W

E, there seems to be an awful lot you don’t know. Amy, ty for pointing out the facts.

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

and amyv i did imagine being tori and id much rather be tori than be jumped for 4 mins. i said so before.

heres like a jump for fun its not a real jump cause they know if they hurt him theyd get in trouble real jump is like where no one sees you and you can really hurt and not get in trouble. http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=260263

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July 10, 2008

M. Hutchence

E, What kind of people do you think have “fun” doing this?

Tell us what your neighborhood is like? (I’ve seen some real violent ones) but i get the idea that where you live it’s totally normal to see people beating the crap out of each other in every front yard?

Are you from Jersey shores by any chance? or
Bakersfield? Wait…. OILDALE!!!!

no wonder you are okay with groups of people beating the crap out of one victim.

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July 10, 2008

Trench

Hey now. I grew up on the South Jersey Shore and we sure as hell didn’t act like this.

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July 10, 2008

M. Hutchence

Hey T- i lived there too- four years- i loved it.

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

laurie if you say i killed your cat and i say no i just spray painted her neon pink im not saying it was right im just saying i dont know where the cat is now. so here i say the beating itself is all in all like 2-3 mins and thats much better than being jumped for real like 4 mins thats all im saying.

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch i dont say its ok!!! and its not totally normal. i just said it was for fun not for real. the boy wasnt hurt. and you say its so bad why didnt anyone tell the police? grownups see kids get beat all the time and if the kid walks away they never ever report it.

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July 10, 2008

Electronica

ohhh and im not fron nj!!! bleahhh! and dont even know the other two places.

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July 10, 2008

Navigator

E – you are truley sick in the head and you are probably from mulberry where all this took place because you sure act like the people in this town. The video you wanted everyone to watch was horrible… you think this is NORMAL… and if it is ( where you live) it should NOT be normal and they need better law enforcement. This way of thinking is the reason why violence has taken over reason in our country. Solve your problems with violence instead of reasoning and you will loose. These girls will loose… they have lost all dignity and they can never get that back… society will always look at them as loosers, no matter if they get away with it or not. Their peers will never look at them the same again… ever. I hope they pay for a long time… they need to learn a lesson, and it is OBVIOUS that they have not… and neither have you!

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July 10, 2008

Laurie

So let me ask you E – is this how you think things should be? Is this how your life is? what do you plan on doing for yourself?

I can understand how some of the girls may now feel they are truly sorry – after the fact – during the attack I believe all the girls were caught up in the mob mentality, and once they started it, they didn’t dare back down for fear of being attacked themselves, or losing ‘face’. But you know what, that comes with a price tag.

What do you think a fair punishment is for these girls? What do you think the bigger lesson here is?

If where you live, this goes on all the time, do you think it should continue like this?

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July 11, 2008

Electronica

i never said any beating was ok never said was normal i always said beatings were wrong. but you ppl dont listen and twist what i say.

and when i see a beating i try to stop it. even fights. and its harder than you think.

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July 11, 2008

Electronica

and laurie idk all they did and who did what so idk what punishment is right. and what they did before if you beat someone before too you should get more punishment now. so i can like estimate only. id say like 3 months for the fat bully. less for the other two old girls. april id say 3 months in a juvie. kayla less. i think they should be in family court not adult court anyway. but all of you will just say im stupid and too easy on them. but i bet if it wasnt on tv theyd all get just probation.

and i dont know if juvie is really good for april shell just have to fight there all the time cause shes famous now. and kayla will just get beat idk if she knows how to fight. so idk.

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July 11, 2008

Electronica

and nav you dont know anything their friends will stay their friends they didnt kill anyone. onlt ppl in shcool who didnt like them before will hate them more now and theyll have more excuse to jump them so they may get beat but i dont think theyll be like without friends you just wish it doesnt work that way.

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July 11, 2008

Electronica

and laurie i dont plan much i dont have t yet not even college. so.

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July 11, 2008

Stacey

WOW. god bless Victoria and her family. I cant stand to see people hurting other people. its in human, i am a second degree black belt and i have never nor been tempted to hurt another person. Its sick and in my opinion NONE of these kids should have been slapped on the wrist and called it a day. what they did was gut twisting, and made me truly focus on the kids i teach at martial arts to NEVER abuse their ability to hurt someone else unless it is in self defense. Kayla in my eyes is the worst of them all, yes she did not touch her but i believe she is the reason all of this happened. Has anyone noticed that she is the only one that had a reason to be angry with Victoria? , the whole cheating boyfriend thing?
All i can say is that i am ashamed to be apart of such an awful generation that thinks muscles and power is everything. i am 16 years old, and have all the power to beat people down, yet cannot? its because these girls are full of hatred and have nothing to be proud of but the fact that 6 of them is more powerful than one, and the law is backing it up. we might as well not have laws at all if the victim is slowly being the accused and the accused walking off with a devilish smile.

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July 12, 2008

mark

Does anyone know when this thing goes to trial?

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July 12, 2008

Navigator

E – I am not talking about school kids – I am talking about society. These girls will be out of school in the REAL world – some as soon as next year _ and when they need a job or need a place to live… well… people look at your PERSONALITY – and they have shown what kind of personality they have and NO ONE is going to want them either working with them or living by them – – GET IT! This is a small town and EVERYBODY knows who they are and what they did – and many across the nation as well.. so they better watch thier p’s and q’s from here on out or they may not be able to prosper in the furure – especialy around here!!!!

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July 12, 2008

amyv

E- I don’t think Kayla ever denied hitting Tori did she. I guess I need to listen to her tape again. And I agree, it does seem on the tape their is a lot of discussion about Kayla and a boy. That is what she is screaming about. And I even think this boy was dating Tori first. Why do assume the police would lie on their police reports? What do they have to gain. As far as I am concerned the tape is evidence enough. So lets see the sheriff is to blame and the police are lying. The one thing you can’t seem to understand is you are not seeing the entire video. You ask about facts How do you know she was only beaten for 3 minutes when their is still a great deal the public has not seen. O.k. if you get jumped it almost always out in the open. The difference with this was this girl had no idea how long they were going to keep her their,beat on her or if they were going to ever stop. You can see on the tape she is totally giving up. I don’t understand your comments about when your getting jumped you can’t say stop I am getting hurt, I have had enough and I want to go. This girl begged them to stop. She begged them to let her go. And, if it wasn’t obvious they were hurting her, they need to be put in a mental ward not a jail. The age of April Cooper the 14 year old matters not to me in this case. She was one of the worst perps. Intending to do this girl great bodily harm. Once again Kayla did hit her. As far as them going to juve. and getting jumped they showed no sign that they think that would be unacceptable behavior by their actions. I don’t want them to get hurt. Just do their time for this awful crime. I will not watch the video you suggest. If it is violent I have no interest. Especially if no one was caught or brought to justice. I wish they would start prosecuting everyone that participates in this horrible actions. The fact that it is common makes it even more sickening. Teenagers and adults alike need to realize this is wrong. Their will be punishment for it. Although, in peoples human make up you would hope this would be human nature not to want to hurt another person. These girls are sorely lacking in that area. I hope it is something they can learn in the future. But, in a lot of people it is not something that has to be learned it is just human nature to want to help not hurt.

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July 12, 2008

amyv

watched kayla hassell tape and recording with prosecutor again. She does not deny hitting the victim at anytime during this recording. She even states the victim had said she wanted to beat them up before so “we just figured we would do it to her.” E- I do hear you when you say these girls should be punished. I agree with you on that. I think approiate time would be 2-3 years prison for everyone left that hasn’t had their charges dropped. Sorry, 2 to 3 months is not appropriate for kidnapping and that is what this was. I have said this before but I will repeat it. At the house I believe that would have been false imprisonment. Forcing her into the car meets the criteria for kidnappping. Anyone with more legal savy than me, please jump in on this.

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July 13, 2008

Electronica

stacey kayla was mad cause tori said shell beat her up and not only over the bf but also cause her parents called kayla when tori was missing and kayla told them she was at a party and they called cops and tori said shell beat up kayla is what kayla said i read.

and i dont knw why being angry makes her worse than those who beat tori. i dont get it.

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July 13, 2008

Electronica

amyv i dont understand at all why they shoud get years in prison for taking her in the car. tori was alone and had no phone and was beaten and they had to leave and shouldnt like let her walk outside at night alone like that. its not bad they called that lady and had her pick up tori. maybe they should have done it better but doesnt mean they meant anything bad by it.

if this was worse than beating her then i dont understand and if everyone agrees then idk right from wrong anymore and i dont want to its stupid. it makes no sense at all.

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July 13, 2008

LawAndOrder

Actually, it isn’t forcing her into the car that brought the kidnapping charge — or only three would be charged with it. It’s them not letting her leave the residence that brought the kidnapping charge. Think of kidnapping as an upgrade from misdemeanor unlawful imprisonment.

The reason they are all charged with battery and kidnapping is because they are considered either participants or accessories of the kidnapping, and participants or principals of the battery.

The only one who had a chance of fighting the kidnapping charge was whoever said “let her run away” on the video. I believe that to be Cara Murphy, and the charges were dropped for her obviously.

April did say “go,” BUT she assaulted Tori again later in the video, thereby becoming an accessory to all of it again. If April had just left it alone after saying “go” she would only be charged with battery right now.

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July 14, 2008

Electronica

amyv i looked it up and kayla did say she didnt hit tori i read it several times its not on the audio out there but that audi is only part of all the talking. like in their local paper they wrote kayla said only two girls hit tori no one else. it syas exactly: .She denies filming the thrashing or hitting Lindsay.. and also look at the link at the top here it says in the article this:

Hardcastle was trying to provoke others to hit Lindsay, Hassell said. “I turned around and I said I’m not hitting her,” said Hassell, who added that she feels bad “at least two or three times a week” about what happened.

im not saying shes not lying im saying she said it.

oh and she didnt say “WE just figured WE would do it to her” seh said I not WE and she meant it as if she was another girl. she was like saying what some of the other girls were thinking. thats obvious.

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July 14, 2008

M. Hutchence

hey- any updates? i can’t find anything, it’s already July 14. I thought they were due to begin on the 3rd or 4th?

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July 14, 2008

Electronica

and amyv cops sometime do make up stuff. they can tell you your friend said you did something bad even if she didnt. they hope if you did it youll give up. and when you say no thats not true they never say we made it up just to test you. so your mad at your friend and it takes weeks to be friends again.

and when something big happens they accuse every kid there of everything to scare them all into talking and they say it will all sort out in the long run but it takes long and you never know and they never take back the stuff they made up about you.

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July 14, 2008

amyv

E – shown on MSNBC on tonight as one of the most disturbing cases the nation has seen. It was this tape. If you do not understand that if someone does not want a ride from you after you beat the crap out of her and you force her into the car is considered kidnapping your wrong. You think they said this so she wouldn’t have to walk alone in the dark, are you kidding me. They were scared she was gonna go to the cops. You don’t beat somebody up and then say “Oh, we are worried you will get hurt if you walk somewhere in the dark.” That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard yet. but, if their lawyers are stupid enough to try that excuse in court they need to go back to school. You have heard over, and over again that their is about 25 more minutes of this tape. So why do you insist on saying this girl was only hit a few times. If we put all of their stories together lets see The camera must have flown around by itself taping. because none of them did it. The victim says Brittini Hardcastle, Kayla Hassell, Brittany Mays and April Cooper all hit her. We don’t know what is on the other 25 minutes. The victim said two people did not hit her Mercades Nichols and Cara Murphy. Why would the victim lie about the two we don’t see on the tape. hum. Were did you read about Victoria and the party and the cops being called. I missed some information somewhere. Kayla screamed and screamed on that tape. She was not scared of Brittini H. If she was she should be an actress because she got right in between them and didn’t look one bit scared. The jury at the trial will see the whole tape. Then there will be no more speculation as to are the girls lying or are the cops lying (wow sounds like the O.J. defense).

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July 15, 2008

M. Hutchence

that’s funny E- like cops have nothing better to do.

Sorry, but when I’m at work or on campus, or volunteering with at risk youth, i never see any students getting harassed or shaken down and being lied to by cops.

Usually- if cops are behaving like you say, the kids involved DID do something wrong, or illegal.

To a point what you are saying is true- For instance- when cops actually have caught a group of criminals they do have to use tactics, like separating them all and then telling the others that they are being ratted out etc.

But guess what… any time they are doing these things, the accused that are involved are GUILTY CRIMINALS!

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July 15, 2008

Electronica

amyv you always argue with what i didnt say. i didnt say tori was hit only a few times! you get beat for three mins and its a lot of hits. and i didnt say kayla isnt lying i just said she said this and that. i dont judge so quick i wait and see.

and i said i dont understand why they should get years for taking her into the car when they can get just months for beating her. it still doesnt make sense to me is all. it doesnt compare and its stupid.
and you can fight someone and care about her a bit after. but its easier if you won the fight. and eve if you jusdt beat her and she doesnt figt back you feel bad about it later so again its not so strange to care a bit.
and cops did lie they said cara hit tori but tori said she didnt. so there.

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July 15, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch some cops are nice when theres grownups around and mean when theres none. and some treat you like a criminal even when you did nothing wrong.

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July 16, 2008

M. Hutchence

I found growing up, that when i did nothing wrong, there were no cops around.

When i did, they were, and yes there were some that i really hated, i even got batoned at a party that was out of control.
But i realized that i would not have been hit by the guy if i had some place better to be.

If you don’t want to deal with mean cops, dont F up

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July 17, 2008

Electronica

oh and amyv i found wheres kayla said tori told her shell beat her ass. go to myfoxtampabay and look for “Interviews released in reen beating” where it says:

Hassell also said she had her disagreements with Lindsay in the weeks leading up to the incident. She said they went head to head over a boy.

“She told me that he had cheated on me with her and I asked him about it and he denied it. So

I told her she was lying,” said Hassell.

Hasell said they discussed the issue at school, and put it behind them, but another conflict arose. Hassell said Lindsay ran away from home and was partying with friends and Hassell told Lindsay’s family where she was.

The cops were called. Hassell said Lindsay then threatened her on the net.

“She emailed me on my MySpace page and told me she was going to beat my ***,” Hassell told the interviewer.

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July 18, 2008

M. Hutchence

hey, then Kayla should have notified authorities and handled it legally.

You keep mentioning that Lindsay didnt deserve her beating, but now it sounds like you fully condone it.

do you?

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July 18, 2008

Electronica

mr. hutch no no no no no!!!!!!
look stacey said kayla didnt hit tori but kaylas the worst cause she was angry over a boy. i said i dont agree anger is worse than hitting. and i explained kayla was mad cause tori said shell beat her ass.
now amyv says wheres that from and says kayla should go to prison for 3 years.
so i say wheres it from where kayla says tori promised to beat her ass. is all.
and now i get acused! and i always always always said beating tori was bad. and i said juvie for kayla even if she didnt hit. but i get acused agin. its not fair and im sick of it.

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July 18, 2008

Electronica

and you all if youd listen to what they say on the vid kayla would make sense i mean shes done wrong but its not just over some silly boy.
britti wants to fight tori and tori says its unfair and they scream its one on one its fair so whysit not fair and tori says she has nothing against them and now kayla gets mad and says like twice tori said shell beat her ass.
not saying kaylas right but you get an older girl telling you shell beat your ass and then chicken out of a fight with a bigger girl youd understand kayla better.
all im saying it makes sense not that its right.

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July 18, 2008

Laurie

Oh yea – this is really important stuff to fight about Electronica. If it isn’t right, as you say, then how does it make sense? Maybe in a warped twisted way it makes sense….maybe these girls need to do something USEFUL with their time, like work at the food pantry, or volunteer at an animal shelter. Or, would we have to be afraid that they would attack someone who says something to them? There are many better things they could be doing with their time. Don’t they know about Karma? What goes around comes around, and if they keep this up, they won’t reach the age of 30.

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July 18, 2008

Electronica

laurie i mean makes sense as in must be true not is right. i mean kaylas told the truth about tori saying shell beat her ass cause in the vid it makes all sense when you know that. thats what i meant.

and yes kayla was wrong but how much? ppl say 3 years in prison and dont care if kayla hit tori and why she was angry. well thats not right you know.

maybe tori was wrong bbut she didnt desrve to get beat! and kayla was wrong but doesnt deserve 3y prison! maybe 3m juvie. id rather get beat than be in prison for years.

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July 18, 2008

Laurie

Okay – but what about doing something useful with your lives?

Do you really think this is how you all want to be remembered?

Isn’t there something you can do to reach out and help someone instead of destroying?

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July 19, 2008

Electronica

laurie who do you mean by you??? i dont attck anyone i fight if i have to but never attack and never jump.

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July 19, 2008

John

Wow- it’s been 3 weeks since any new information has surfaced in articles. Does anyone have any updates?

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July 19, 2008

Trench

Bookmark the main page. If there are any developments in the case they will be posted there.

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July 20, 2008

amyv

E- at this point three suspects have been let go for lack of evidence. So they must have some kind of evidence on Kayla. We do not see the whole tape. If the police had nothing on her they would let her off as well. Cara Murphy got off because the victim said she did not hit her and it must not have been on tape. So she was telling the truth. But she will testify against the other ones. We have repeated over and over again you only see about 5 minutes of a 30 minute tape. I do not want to assume but, if she didn’t hit her I think they would have dropped the charges like the other three. I believe if we did see the rest of the tape, Kayla did hit her. Maybe if the whole tape is released, it will shed further light on the situation. Yes, and people do lie to the police the rest of these girls did. If they didn’t have evidence she would be let off. When do these girls go to trial already? I should think with a video tape it would not take months to gather evidence.

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July 20, 2008

Electronica

amyv i never heard they got 30 mins where did they say it. and anyway nothing makes much sense. why did they wait 3 months to free cara? and why did they say april knocked out tori when the video shows she didnt?
and if kayla hit tori it doesnt have to be on vids that one girl said 17 secs left so i guess they had to change mem cards or something? idk i dont have a video camera 🙁
and idk whys nothing going on maybe the court people go on vacations in summer.
oh and i didnt say kayla didnt lie about hitting tori idk if she did. but i said it makes sense what she said to the police about why she was mad at tori. i mean it fits what she screams on the vid. it wasnt just a boy thing. thats what im saying.

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July 20, 2008

LawAndOrder

Electronica:

The police report says that the victim’s medical record says she had a “positive loss of consciousness.” She WAS knocked out! There is no doubt about it.

Kayla Hassall was a principal to both the kidnapping and battery. She stood there yelling at the victim AFTER Hardcastle vocalized her intent to kidnap by means of imprisoning. That makes her an active accomplice. She terrorized the victim by yelling at her AFTER the battery took place. This makes her an active principal to the battery.

The girl who said 17 seconds was Brittany Mayes. She was also the one who said “ooh yeah baby yeah.” Despite reports, that was not Cara. Cara can actually be seen for a few frames in the video as Tori gets up off the couch, you see her as the cam turns.

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July 21, 2008

amyv

E – What are you not reading that you can’t find that it was a 30 minute tape. Do some homework it is all over the place. The rest will be shown at trial. No more will be released to the public at this time. Tori might have been confused as to when she actually lost consciouness. She did take several blows to the head. This would not be uncommon with the confussion associated with a head injury. And unless the doctor is lying too, it does say in medical records exactly what law and order said. So given medical testimony that charge will be hard to dismiss as well. I do not really care what any of these girls reasons for this beating are. It just plain does not matter. And it will not matter in a court of law. Cara Murphy, although she did not hit tori was an accessory to this crime. She will be testifying against these girls. Her attorney stated that. So that should solve the mystery on why she was let off at all. I wandered who was making those disgusting “ooh yeah baby”. I am going to say something that I usually wouldn’t say but that girl sounded like she was getting some kind of sexual pleasure out of it. It was disturbingly disgusting the way she was making those noises. I thought it was Brittini Hardcastle. Brittany Mayes was the one standing in front of the judge with tears in her eyes. Wow, how can you get such a group together. Very disturbing these girls.

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July 21, 2008

Electronica

law wheres the med records? i never saw them anywhere. and im confused are you saying she was not conscious when she got to the hospital? or that docs say she was knocked out? how would they know? and hiw would they know when? what if she passed out later? i watch house and i like med but idk hows this done id like to know. and whats negative loss of consciousness?
and what dyou mean principal? she wasnt like the main one at all! that was britti and april.
anyway i said before kayla didnt act right i just dont get the kidnapping stuff and i think she should get juvie not prison and months not years. its crazy to get prison for yelling.

and i know cara didnt have the camera! i didnt say she did! but tv ppl said so!

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July 21, 2008

Electronica

amyv i know i saw on tv the cop say they dont have all the video and they dont have her knocked out on video. so somethings changed? but i didnt find what. and why did they give out the second vid when theres no knock out? it doesnt make much sense to me. it was like look what we said before isnt true!
and not helping tori doesnt mean cara helped her get beat. i read what tori sadi and she said cara felt bad and didnt do anything to her.
and the oooooh is britta im sure and yeah she was crying she was scared id be too but i dont think id cry.

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July 21, 2008

John

Sometimes when people sustain trauma to the head, they lose chunks of their memory (however short), even if they don’t lose conciousness. To Tori, it would be the same thing- a blank spot in her memory. Though it seems as though she wasn’t knocked out in the second clip that was released when her statement says she was, she may not remember a few minutes around that time, or the minutes right before the first clip began with her on the couch. Remember, though, that whether or not she lost conciousness on tape doesn’t make this crime any less heinous.

They released the second video to show that Tori didn’t start the fight, and some of the “reason” why the girls wanted to fight her.

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July 21, 2008

LawAndOrder

Electronica:

It’s not crazy at all to get prison time for actively aiding and abetting a crime. Kayla Hassall terrorized the victim by screaming at her while she was in a corner — this aided the kidnapping with intent to terrorize and cause bodily injury, and it aided the battery.

The medical records weren’t released, but the police report references a statement about loss of consciousness. Do a Google search for 0423polkbeating.pdf to download the abridged police report. The loss of consciousness statement is on the page before the last.

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July 22, 2008

LawAndOrder

Oh and.. Principal means you were an accomplice to a misdemeanor. The battery charge is a misdemeanor.

Knocked out during the beating. They can tell by looking for swelling of the brain, and the blunt force trauma of the skull.

Victoria Lindsay was knocked unconscious during the beating. No doubt about it.

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July 22, 2008

Electronica

john i guess you could be right that would make sense cause tori knew it was on video so why would she lie? and yet she was wrong shes never knocked out. but you get hit in head bad and you can forget stuff for sure. but april didnt hit her much in the bedroom it was sissy hits so idk its still strange.

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July 22, 2008

M. Hutchence

yeah, sissy hits, while two others where pounding on her head .

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July 22, 2008

Electronica

mr hutch what?!? it was just april in the bedroom. and she didnt really try to hurt tori much after she fell on the bed. an 8year old could see that. its just the way it is.

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July 22, 2008

Electronica

and john it does matter!!! ppl said they were so evil cause she was out cold and when she came to they pounded her again! and itd be right, that would be worse than what they did!
but now when theres no knock out ppl say it doesnt matter?!? it does matter it would make it worse. it makes no sense to say it doesnt matter!!!

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July 22, 2008

Electronica

and mr hutch how do they tell you were knocked out? andwhen??
i saw a girl pass out and she wasnt hit she was at a funeral. and i saw ppl bang their heads real bad in soccer and they didnt pass out.
i found that report but all it says is positive loss whats that mean and whats negative loss? how does law know its really true. what d your brain ppl say?

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July 22, 2008

M. Hutchence

My brain people, (lol…cute)

They are Doctors that are referred to as Neurologists.

They are the ones who do surgery on a patients Brain and/or Spine.
Both of our Neuros here, by the way, claim Vic could have easily been killed just by the vid alone.

Anyways, to answer your question,

When someone comes into the ER with head trauma, they run a couple different procedures.
CT scans and/ or MRIs.
These procedures give the Doctors a complete 3 dimensional look at the damaged area.
I have one of my spine when i broke my back in a motorcycle accident, and you can even see food in my intestines.

Most of the time, these results can be produced in about 2 hours. In Viks case, i read that she had two MRIs- and results where fairly rapid.

Either of these procedures, can confirm if someone has been knocked unconscious, how long they have been rendered unconscious, and if they will suffer short or long term difficulties.

To tell you the truth E, i have not viewed the vid as much as some of the posters here, as it was simply too disgusting to watch –

Knocked out or not Knocked out, she was beaten enough to lose hearing and vision, and declared unrecognizable by her father. The police reports and portions of the vid that i DID see make it clear that this was a time consuming beating that took place against her will.
not like a soccer game.

Why you defend these flipping pigs who did this makes me sick, and really question what you are going to end up doing with your life.

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July 22, 2008

Electronica

mr hutch im sorry about your spine it sounds horrible.
and im sorry i make you sick. i just want them to be punished fairly. and i want to know the truth. idk why ppl dont care about whats true and whats fair just because the girls done wrong.
they didnt treat tori fair and now if we dont treat them fair how will they learn to be fair? they will not! theyll just think no ones fair but some ppl get away with it and some dont.
so idk what ill do in my life but i know ill be fair and ill say whats true even if it makes ppl sick and make them hate me.

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July 22, 2008

LawAndOrder

Electronica:

They ARE being charged fairly.

Here is what they COULD have been charged with in addition to what they have now: FELONY aggravated assault, attempted second degree murder or at least attempted manslaughter (for almost breaking her neck by slamming her head into a wall), conspiracy, a second count of kidnapping for forcing her into a car, and that is just what I can think of on the top of my head.

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July 23, 2008

Electronica

law i dont know the laws much all i know is years in prison is wrong for some of them like kayla. and i know some kids get away with anything and some get punished too much.

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July 23, 2008

Amyv

Thank you Mr. Hutchence for giving such a thourgh explaination of the procedures used to identify head injuries. I see the results of head trauma and how devastating it can be. I am in the Rehabilation field. Once again, we have not seen the entire video but, from what I have seen she did sustain more than enough blows to the head to cause at the very least lapses in details and loss of consciousness. It was by the grace of God, not any mercy from these girls that Tori did not sustain permenant head injuries from these blows that we know of. E- Aprils blows were not intended to hurt the victim?I can hardly find the words to respond to that statement. Except for ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She pounded her over and over again. Come on kid. I am sorry for this generation, not all of them, but the ones that think that all of this violence and fighting going on with teenagers is O.K. They should all be punished. Each to the extent of involment of the crimes. I do think that the assault and battery should be the worst charge. Unfortunately, in our court system, people are not dealt harshly enough with this charge. Kidnapping, which is exactly what this was, no doubt will get them the most time. E – two questions. 1. When did the girls thinks of what was fair for this victim 2.What do you say to the severe beating Brittini Hardcastle gave her. Now Those were backed by more power and fat then the other girls. What should her punishment be. Please do not say she did not intend to harm the victim.

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July 24, 2008

Electronica

amyv we do agree on somehting! i to think its the beating thats the worst. thats what they should get punished for the most. but its on tv so ppl want much more.

and i meanr april didnt try to do real harm after tori was on the bed. april wouldnt hit that way, thta just plain fact. you dont hit like a sissy if you look to do real harm. like april didnt hit tori with fists.

your questions: 1) idk what you mean i said before the girls were unfait to tori!
2) yes britti hit to hurt! thats obvious. like she went after toris nose when she was getting up from the couch that was real mean and unfair tori didnt even know shell get hit. and hitting tori in the corner in her head so hard was horrible.

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July 24, 2008

Amyv

E – Maybe April just isn’t that good at throwing punches. You say when Tori was on the bed April was not hitting to hurt. What about after Brittini Hardcastle beat her on the couch. Then when Tori tried to get up It was April who started punching again. So do you think Tori saw that coming. You just took a brutal beating from one girl. You attempt to get up from the couch and little miss April jumps on you and starts PUNCHING again. Come on, she sure as hell meant to hurt her. She is one of the worst of the bunch. Her bail for assault and Brittini H were the same. Their were higher than the rest of the girls. Hm? Wonder why. Because they did the majority of the beating and should be punished more harshly than the others. Why if April knew it was being taped would she want to be seen fighting like a sissy. Doesn’t make much sense. question: how do you know how April would hit if she meant to do harm? I am not picking on you. I am just trying to figure out the way younger people few this incident. I do know you have been exposed to it more in your generation than I ever was in mine. I have a teenage daughter and I don’t like the way teenagers are becoming immune to this sort of behavior. I am sorry for the teenagers who are good people and have to learn how to defend themselves because that is a necessity in your atmospheres these days. I would like very much for this to change. Law and Order or Mr. Hutchence can you please direct me to where you are blogging about the latest with Mercades Nichols crazy mom suing the sheriff. Thank you.

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July 24, 2008

Electronica

amyv id say theres 3 ways to hit:
1) to humiliate. like you slap someone.
2) to punish — pain yes but real harm no. like you hit hard someones shoulder or thighs. or when kids getting beat by their parents.
3) to harm — not like to kill or send to hospital but like cause pain and problems for days.

april knows how to hit you can see it near the couch april knows how to fight. but once tori was on the bed any girl could hit to harm but april didnt it was just to humiliate tori on camera.
near the couch it was more to punish it wasnt to harm but pain yes.
and britti she was out to hurt.
and yes its all bad but not the same bad. you get hit and youd know what i mean youd care about the diff. so yes aprils the second worst but britti is much much worse.
oh and hitting like a sissy not the same like fighting like a sissy. the diff was tori didnt fight back so its ok to just slap it doesnt make you look like a sissy. gn.

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July 24, 2008

Amyv

E- Yes it is quite obvious that this isn’t Miss Britts first fight. Her beating alone could have done immense damage to this girl. O.K. so hitting her on the bed when she didn’t fight back was o.k. to just slap. Didn’t make her look like a sissy I agree it made her look like a coward. If not intended to harm certainly intended to invoke fear and that will cause mental distress. And I have been hit before. Slapped in the head so hard I heard bells. So, I do know that that hurts and can cause a concussion. As far as the couch you said to cause pain like hitting in thighs. She was hitting in the head again and trying for the face. If B.H. had thrown a severly damaging blow and Tori stood up and April hit her, who do you think would have been punished?
I grew up next to a neighborhood which was known for girls wanting to fight. The ones of us that were taught that is trashy and we were better than that stayed out of there. I was never scared of these girls I just thought they were white trash. If any of these girls truly were as tough as they thought they were, they came off looking like a bunch of cowards that needed a whole lot of backup for one small girl. My own opinion and others share it is that this video made them look horrible as human beings, merciless, torturing. Probably the thing they would find most offensive is it made them look like a bunch of whimps. Not like bad asses. I hope Victoria knows that the majority of the public does not see her as a girl that wouldn’t fight back but, as a victim that was way out numbered and had no way out. God bless her for having the strength to come through that beating without permenant brain damage. That shows me she is way tougher than any of these cowards. GN.sleep well

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July 25, 2008

M. Hutchence

Hi Amy- I’ve gotten some info off of other sites that appear if you google Polk county- and the police fire log there of etc.

Not really keeping to much of an eye on any civil cases.

I do a lot of volunteer work with at risk youth and am very interested to see what the judicial system makes of this. As far as what the parents of these kids want to do is too much to follow up on!

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July 25, 2008

Amyv

Hutch – Thank for the information. You are right, this one mother isn’t worth even blogging about.
I to am very interested to see how the juve. system handles this. I am not quite sure how we as a society can handle this ever growing, out of control teen violence. If they would only realize that these beatings are far more dangerous than they know. You know first hand how difficult rehab can be from a broken back. Those are some very difficult cases for me. But, brain injuries,especially with the young are devastating and the most difficult to phathom. These kids need to learn they are not invincible and that anyone of these blows could have changed this girls life forever. And, no amount of jail time would have been sufficient then.

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July 25, 2008

John

Actually, brain injuries with the young aren’t as bad as if the same thing happened to an adult. Young people are far more resilient than those 25 and older, simply because they are still growing. For example, a child who sustains a spinal cord injury has a much higher chance of partial or full recovery than someone in their 40s or 50s. I’m definitely not saying that this beating was any less appalling because she was young, I’m just saying that she is lucky that she IS young and can recover from it more easily.

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July 26, 2008

Amyv

John – Thank you for your input. It is true the young are more resilient. But, as far as the long term prognosis from brain damage, that would depend on the severity. The fact that this teenager has to get MRI follow ups is concerning to me. Of course that is a precaution that should be taken since the first MRI definitely showed something. What I am not sure. I have dealt with peds, adolescences and geratric. Definitely geratrics have a higher morality rate from such injuries. However, we all know brain cells do not grow back. Other areas of the brain can sometimes compensate but, overall across the board brain injuries are very difficult to treat once severe damage has been done. Broken bones are very different. Yes the young will heal much faster than middle age or older. Since we have no reports of the girls condition now as far as the hearing and eyesight, it would only be speculation to say she will fully recover. However, it does seem, from what is posted their is no brain damage. Thank god. And may I say not for lack of trying on these girls part.

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July 26, 2008

Electronica

well law i looked at that report you wrote about and cops made up stuff there! like they said cara hit tori but tori says cara didnt!
so im sure youll all hate me but i dont trust everyrhing cops say even if on tv.

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July 26, 2008

Amyv

E- having trouble pulling up that site. I have read it before but cannot remember evey detail.
If you go under the ledger which is the Mulberry newspaper read some of the blogs. First some of the people blamed it on these kids parents. Then youtube and myspace. (Although I do agree with this to some point, seeing how easy it is to pull up fighting), then the sheriff (now he is getting sued by one of these girls parents) and now the police. Who next? The pope? Although I am sure their have been some errors in this case from what I have seen the police have been dead on. Saying Cara hit her was a mistake. But, I still don’t think she should have gotten off with no punishment. She did not try to help this girl. And she was an accomplice to a crime. As for the boys, I don’t think we will every find out the whole truth about that situation.To many stories told, even by the girls that contradict each other. These girls from day one have lied through their teeth. All we can do is sit back, wait for the trial, and see how the jury reacts to the video tape. That can not be lied about.

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July 29, 2008

Electronica

well amyv i dont blame cops for tori geting beat! i only say they dont tell it like it is and it does make a diff maybe april and kayla wouldnt be treated as grownup if they didnt make up stuff for tv and everyone said put them in prison for years.
i dont think april and kayla should go to prison with grownups like murderers and so its not good for them and its not right. but now theyll have to put them in prison not juvie cause its too late for family court and if they dont give them years ppl will scream and tv will scream so theyll be afraid to treat them fair.

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July 29, 2008

Amyv

El – I am basing my opinion on April and Kayla from nothing more than what is seen on the tapes and from Kaylas statement. That way we can leave the police out of it. When I first heard about this incident I was concerned about April being only 14. Until I saw the tape. Their are no lies on the tape. Nothing to dispute. April is savage. I could not believe such anger coming from a 14 year old. The beating and screaming were sickening. Kayla hit her to. She screamed quit a lot during the severe beating being given B.H. Physical and mental torture is what they put this girl through. You can see by her face she is terrified. Her dad said she feared for her life and I totally believe that. They did not let up on this girl for one minute. Imagine having someone beating you and the others cheering and screaming. It must have been horrendous. April was the one smirking at her first court appearance. You can see it looks like she is holding back a giggle. Kayla was the one who asked the police officer if she was going to miss cheerleading practice. WHAT? After they beat the girl they went over to one of the guys houses and watched the tape. What the hell for? Being there was not enough for them? Kayla does not deny this on the recording with the prosecutor. Kayla said she was sorry but also could not keep her mouth shut, still bad mouthing the victim, “well Tori said this and she said that”. She also said she was scared of B.H. LIAR. She was right in between Tori and B.H. screaming her head off. She was not one bit scared. However, The victim was terrified by the end of this tape you could see that in her face. Her father said she was scared for her life. I don’t doubt that for one minute. They deserve to be charged harsely and the punishment should be harsh. If they do go to jail, which I doubt, they will be kept away from the general population for their safety. I guess that would be so noone would try to beat them up. Well should have gave that same chance to the victim. Sorry we do not agree on this. If you act like an animal you should be treated like one.

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July 29, 2008

Electronica

amyv you say you go by the vid and kayla and then you say kayla hit but kayla says she didnt and you dnt see her hit tori on the vid. and theres other stuff too ppl always say its the vid but then when they argue its not really the vid its what theyr told on tv.

and kayla wasnt trashing tori she was asked by the cop why those girls beat her so she explains what their reasons were. what do you want her to do refuse to talk or lie to the cops?

and i read they put kids in with grouwnups in jail in florida. in prison too. idk why you think they wont get jail most ppl want prison. theres a diff prison is like years not months and it can be far away from your family so they dont get to visit you much. i read kidnaping down theres like many years minimum so how could they not get prison?

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July 29, 2008

Electronica

oh and amyv since when theres cheering practice during spring break? never heard of that. it doesnt make much sense to me. gn.

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July 29, 2008

Amyv

El – Everything I stated before was on the video except Kayla hitting Tori. For that I apologize. However, since the victim stated that the only two who didn’t hit her were Mercades and Cara, I am going to believe the victim. Not the perp. Also, Cara Murphy was left off for lack of evidence. This would further back up the victims statement that she did not hit her. Mercades, of course was the host of this beat down so even if she didn’t hit her the other charges still stick. It happened at her home. Since all of the video has not been released I would assume (and I know your not gonna like that) that somewhere on their is in fact some beating by Kayla, if not why would they not drop the charges on her like Cara? Because they must have further evidence. This will come out in court. What leads me to believe that their punishment will not be as harsh as you suspect is that they have already gotten off of house arrest. If they listened to public opinion that would not have happened. Hulk Hogans son is in prison down here in Florida. I don’t know if you are familiar with that case. He was 17 when charged and was kept out of the general population until he turned 18. I am sure their are juves. in every state that are sent to prison. It depends on the crime. The kidnapping charges are their most severe charges. That is what makes this case different than being jumped or in a school yard fight. I have heard some people refer to it as no more than that. However, they held her against her will in that house. she asked many times to leave and was told no. The doorway was blocked. Then after they beat her they forced her into the car against her will and threatened her some more before dropping her off. That qualifies by any strech of anyones imagination as kidnapping and yes that is a very serious crime. That may be the reason they will serve jail time if they do. I do believe in the end their ages will come into play. I do not believe it should but, it probably will.

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July 29, 2008

Amyv

El – looks like we are on at the same time. I will have to look and find you the police report that stated Kayla and the other girls were laughing when in the holding cell. This was right after they got arrested. They were talking about how they would probably miss out on going to the beach that weekend. They really didn’t realize the severity of the trouble they were in. On the police report it is state that Kayla directly asked one of the officers if she would make it out in time for cheerleading practice. She said she was in some kind of competition and they were not allowed to miss any practices. This is on the police report. Let me see if I can find that report for you. I really don’t know why an officer would lie about that.

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July 30, 2008

Greg

The key here is, not every brain works differently. Some brains give a greater response to winning money than to watching a child get tortured.

Try to remember that moral elitism does not help. We need to stop expecting people to feel remorse for others and simply start using the levels of economics, of reward and punishment to produce correct behavior. It’s the only way.

I know Amyv says she’d rather people help each other out of compassion, but I don’t care if people help each other out of greed, compassion,fear, as long as the behavior changes I don’t care what their emotional state is.

My definition of a good person is a person who adopts the correct behavior, and bullying is incorrect behavior and should be punished, while hero’s who put a stop to bullying should be financially rewarded. I say we offer bounties to people teens who are willing to report bullying.

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July 30, 2008

Greg

check make that “the key is not every brain works the same”

But my point is, a neuro-economic approach produces the most flexibility in applying behavior modification solutions.

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July 30, 2008

Greg

Amyv, in my opinion we shouldn’t give a damn what these girls are feeling. They only announce what they are feeling in an attempt to try and manipulate us.

Instead we should focus 100% on how to modify their behavior. It’s the behavior that is the problem, not their thoughts and feelings. If they don’t feel compassion or remorse, thats not the problem in itself. So how do you want to change the behavior of people who don’t feel compassion and remorse? Give it some thought but I say use the only reward and punishments and the best way I can think of to start the trend is to offer rewards to anyone who wants to anonymously report bullying online.

You mentioned in another conversation with me that one of these girls should have done something to save the girl. I said sure but whats in it for them to save this victim? I propose we offer $ rewards to people who report bullying after it happened.

That way the camera person or whoever was in that room who did nothing, could report on the person who actually did the bullying in secret, receive the cash in secret, and in this way they’d do the right thing, regardless of if they feel remorse for victims or not.

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July 30, 2008

Amyv

Greg – I agree with you on not giving a damn what these girls are thinking know or feeling. I think I made that obvious on the other post that they are manipulative. O.K. I agree that in some situations such as bullying at school could be handled with a way to provide privacy and maybe a monetary award. But, that still does not change the ones who are bulllying. Their behavior stems from their inability to feel compassion and remorse. Without those basic instincts I don’t know how you would rehabilitate them. They don’t care. You can’t make someone care. They need to go to prison. Without these emotions they are a threat to others. The only incentive for them to change their behavior will be when released they don’t want to go back. I don’t buy for one second the remorse they are trying to show now. That is for self gain. Maybe we agree on some levels more than you think. Please excuse spellling errors or run on sentences. Not feeling that well today.

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July 30, 2008

Electronica

amyv kayla hits on the vid whyd kayla lie to the cops? it wouls only hurt her. and it was her vid so she had to give it to the cops no? doesnt make sense if she hit tori on the vid.
im not sayin i know whos right just saying it doent make much sense. maybe johns right and toris confised. or maybe kayla just deleted the parts where she hits tori. idk.

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July 30, 2008

Electronica

and amyv i think it depends on the prison place and the crime. i read they do put kids with the grownups sometime. maybe not when your dads rich and famous. and the kids do get hurt and stuff. it was on some forum and with examples and names. like kids getting murdered and raped and eyes poked out and bad stuff like that.

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July 30, 2008

Scott

It’s been a very rough summer for all those involved in the assault on Victoria Lindsay. I wonder what they have learned from this outrageous assault.

And it must have been a terrible last 4 months for Tori. 🙁 I wish she could put this whole ordeal behind her. But she probably can’t do that until the trial is over and that might not be for a few more months yet.

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July 30, 2008

Amyv

El- In the article it states that Kayla did not hit the victim. However, on the tape to the prosecutor she never says that. Her actions on the tape do no match watch she is saying on the recording. She was not scared of B.H. got right in the middle of it while B.H. was beating the crap out of the victim. Just screaming her head off and pointing her finger. She had no intention of helping the victim. ACTIONS speak louder than words. Although it doesn’t show her hitting the Victim on this portion of the tape I suspect it does on the other. The ones they had no evidence against had their charges dropped. However, hers stuck. The victim clearly stated to police that two people did not hit her and that is Mercades and Cara. Caras charged have been dropped. Of course we know Mercades has a big role in this incident. I do agree that the rich are treated differently and that is a shame. Yes, terrible things do happen in prison. I am not sure what the answer to that is except the prisoners should be better supervised with more staff. That unfortunately is what happens when you put a punch of violent people together in one place. Of course i would never think the actions you dscribed are acceptable for any reason. These girls made some very bad choices and they are going to have to pay for them. Even in juve. you can get hurt or killed. And they will keep the younger ones out of the general population. It is a shame they thought so little of the victim and injuring her that they have put themselves in the same situation. Maybe, I am still not sure. Being somewhere you can’t escape and being beat up most of fear of all of theirs it was the victims reality. Scott -Yes I am sure it has been a long summer for the victim and her family. It is horrible that she will have to relive this in court. I don’t understand why it is taking so long. This could have been over with at least by this month. Hope she is recovering and doing well. My prayers are with her.

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July 31, 2008

Scott

Amy, Tori’s official beating statement to police states that Brittany Mayes hit Tori about 5 times and Kayla Hassall hit Tori about 3 times. Tori also said that Kayla hit Tori only after Brittni Hardcastle encouraged her to do so. Does this mean if Mayes and Hassall chose not to hot Tori charges would have been dropped against them like they were with Cara Murphy? Maybe.

Amy, good point about how Kayla was not scared of Brittni. She wasn’t. Brittni was on the verge of calming down and her left hand was sore from hitting Tori so much. But Kayla started screaming at Tori while she’s standing next to Brittni which ignites Brittni into assaulting Tori some more. It’s all on the videotape that was filmed using Kayla’s mother’s camcorder. And I think it was more than just a coincidence that Kayla brought her mother’s camcorder and her own camera cell phone to Mercades Nichol’s nana’s house that sunday night. They were planning on filming something which is why Mercades kept texting and calling Tori asking her what time she was going to be home. Why? Because time was of the essence for the girls and their confronting Tori. Mercades had to pick up her nana from work on sunbday night and they certainly couldn’t confront Tori at her nana’s house if her nana was home. In fact the beating of Tori stopped only because they had to pick up Mercades nana from work. And only because of that was Tori not beaten even longer than she was.

On a side note I heard that the defense attorney’s are trying to drag the beginning of the trial out for as long as possible in hopes of getting the prosecution to get tired of waiting and reduce or drop the charges against the 5 teens. I doubt this will work because the public is outrages about the assault and the videotaping of it.

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July 31, 2008

Amyv

Scott – We agree on every point. I don’t really think it took much encouragement from B.H. to get those girls to hit her. But, they made that decision can’t blame anybody but themselves. That B.H. is one awful b****. How in the hell can you beat on someone who isn’t even fighting you until your hand hurts? That girl deserves anything she gets. I doubt the prosecutionis going to drop these charges. I was thinking the same thing about tiny little Kayla lol. Convenient how she had her moms camcorder. These girls can lie all they want. This was planned and they meant to post it on youtube. I have no doubt. I think they all deserve to go to prison. It is laughable how Kayle played the “I am even tinier than Tori so you can imagine what B.H. could have done to me.” B.S. she was acting like quite the little badass on the video. Now your in trouble and your trying to look scared and innocent. I am tired of people feeling sorry for these idiots because they might go to prison and get beat up. Don’t mean to sound so cruel but I can’t help it. If they get the living shit kicked out of them, maybe they will think twice about how bad you are when you gang up on somebody like that. Wow. I skipped my coffee this morning. I could not sit on the jury and watch that whole tape. I would be scared I would jump up and slap the crap out of these cowards. Especially if they try pulling all that lying they have been doing. I just don’t understand how you can get six such mean and heartless people in one place. I hope the prosecution stands strong. Their is no defense for these girls.

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July 31, 2008

Electronica

amyv i dont know why you think april and kayla willbe kept away from the grownups. i read they put kids like that with the grownups in florida. like a girl who was 13 she stole stuff from her parents and was put into the worst prison down there with all the worst prisoners and tried to kill herself. and there was a 15yo who got raped like two months ago i think in jail by grownups. so idk why april and kayla wouldnt get thrown in with grownups when everybody hates them so much.

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July 31, 2008

Amyv

E – No one knows what these girls sentences will be. Even if charged as adults, they may not get prison time. We just don’t know. It is a shame that they have put themselves in this position. Kidnaping is a very serious charge. We will just have to see what a jury decides. Their are different levels in prisons. The less serious offenders are not kept with people that murder. Maybe someone reading this will have more info. on the way the prison system works from the inside. Again, compassion and empathy for their prisoner was not displayed. So sorry they have to face the consequences of their actions. Please show me the article where a 13 year old stoled from her parents and was thrown in prison. I have never heard about that down here.

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August 1, 2008

Electronica

amyv i read about it on some forum dont know where but it was real and had links to articles and stuff so wasnt made up.

and im not saying theyll be with grownups im saying they could be. if kidnaping is like so bad then why not?

ill let you know if i find that post with the kids in prisons info i dont know any names though so not sure how to google it.

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August 1, 2008

Amyv

El – Yes kidnaping is a very serious offense. It is a felony. That is why they may end up in prison. We won’t know until the trial is over. You can not hold people against their will. Yes, these girls are in some extremely serious trouble.

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August 1, 2008

Electronica

ok amyv i found it google “Treatment of Incarcerated Juveniles in Florida” and youll see it too. use the quotes too so you get just one result.

and i was wrong it was her grandparents not parents she stole from.

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August 2, 2008

Amyv

El – I did not find that particular story but, I did read others. Their are problems with our justice system and problems with our jails. Jails are over crowded and understaffed. This is dangerous for everyone involved. Unfortunately, Juve. is the same way. I really don’t know what the answer to this whole situation is. Brittini Hardcastle I believe should be sent to jail. Some of these girls are older than the others so, if they got time in juve. I don’t think the length of time would be enough. The problem is this crime heartless and cruel to the victim. I do believe they planned it. Carried it out and showed no remorse for their actions. So they need to be punished. The victim deserves that they pay for this crime. And if they don’t, I don’t think they will have learned a thing. But they have already been charged as adults. If not, I would say Kayla should go to juve. for 2 years. April Cooper was extremely violent so she should get at least 4 years. Anyone who was in the car that drove this victim against her will 4 to 5 in jail to start with. But, I am not the judge or just. These options for juve. are not open to these girls because of the seriousness of their crime. So, we will just have to wait and see what the juries decides. Even though society, including myself is very angry with these girls, noone can win in this situation. I just should have never happened. But, its to late for that now.

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August 2, 2008

Scott

Amy, the odd thing about Brittni Hardcastle is she actually apologized to Tori in the parking lot and told her to be safe when they left. At that point I’m sure Brittni knew she went too far in dishing out her punishment to Tori. She tortured Tori. Atleast April controlled her beatings of Tori in the 2 videos we’ve seen. And it seemed like April tried to stay away from hitting Tori in the face after the first punch she threw.

I think April’s attorney’s defense will be that the older girls pressured her into beating up Tori. You can even hear one of the girls say ****** hurt her (Tori) April. They wanted Tori punished bigtime and they put 14 year old April in charge of getting the beating started. And she did.

I think because April and Kayla are so young that they will get juvenile detention if they are found guilty at the trial. Maybe they will plea out if they get the chance.

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August 2, 2008

Electronica

amyv i agree theyd get beat up in a juvie even more often but i dont think theyd get hot as hard as in prison i think in prison its much more dangerous they can get real hurt or killed.

scotty theyll be judged as adults not kids so no juvie i think. just jail or prison.

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August 2, 2008

Scott

By the way Amy, you make a good point about not buying Kayla saying she’s a small girl so she was scared of Brittni. Kayla is standing next to Brittni screaming at Tori and pointing her finger at her and getting Brittni more amped up to continue to pummel Tori. I don’t buy Kayla’s fear factor. She was well protected there by April, Brittni and big Brittany. The thing about Kayla is during her audio testimony she almost sounds sorry for what happened to Tori and says she wants to apologize to her but can’t because of the judge’s orders of no contact with the victim. Maybe after the trial Kayla can apologize to Tori and her family for her role in the assault.

It’s sad that girls so young can be so desensitized that they can’t tell right from wrong when they are clearly assaulting someone. And over what, alleged myspace insults? It’s hard to believe. Even if Tori hurt these girls feelings with what she said or wrote about them they stepped way over the line in their retribution for her. And I’m pretty sure the girls weren’t exactly nice to Tori when it came to talking about her or writing about her online.

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August 2, 2008

Scott

Electronica, you may be right but I still think April and Kayla because of their youth have a chance at juvenile detention along with probabtion and counseling.

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August 2, 2008

Amyv

Scott- If Kayla would not have lied about being scared of Brittini I might fall for her feeling remorse. Also, we can’t forget who supplied the camera. It was Kaylas. I think April’s avoiding Victorias face was more because Victoria was blocking her face. After B.H. beat her on the couch and she tried to get up April blasted into her. Beating her some more. As for “big” Brittany, they both look pretty big to me she just sat back and enjoyed the show. I don’t know that even if one of the other girls jumped in that she would have. Also, don’t forget before Brittany Hardcastle “apologized” to Victoria, she made her apologize to them in the car. How cruel can you get. So did that girl feel sorry NO WAY. You do all of that to someone and then to further humiliate her you make her say she is sorry? I see a bunch of cruel girls who are sorry because they are scared. Plus, after the so called apology from B.H. these girls went and watched the tape over at the boys house. It makes me sick to think of how much they enjoyed that. When the prosecutor says that they were enjoying the tape, Kayla does not deny it. So remorseful, very doubtful. If I were Victoria and they tried to apologize to me it wouldn’t mean very much. I just watched a movie called the Fab 5 it was about girls bullying. These girls were the cruel 6. The look on Victoria’s face at the very end of the video is heart breaking. She looks like she has just given up. I really do believe she thought they were going to kill her. Also, remember the beating only stopped because they ran out of time. They had to pick up the grandmother. Who knows when they would have stopped. Go to jail, straight to jail, do not pass go.

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August 3, 2008

Scott

Wow Amy you know this case inside out. The prosecution needs you to work for them! )

It’s a scary thought to think that Brittni would have kept beating Tori if the tape didn’t run out and if they didn’t have to go get Mercades nana. If that happened Tori would have been beaten even worse than she was. I wish Tori had faked being knocked out or something early on in the asault so the girls would have come to their senses and stopped the assault.

At one point what appears to be late in the assault Kayla feeling safe and bold is chirping at Tori standing next to Brittni and Brittni inspired by Kayla’s verbal rips at Tori blasts Tori in the lower right jaw and chin area with her hardest left hook. Tori is shocked and her mouth is agape and she has a look of disbelief on her face. It looked like she lost hope at that point. And not one of those girls said ease up Brittni. If that punch hit Tori on her right cheekbone it would have been shattered. Only Tori’s tough lower right jaw and chin saved her. If that punch landed another inch higher Tori would have had some teeth knocked out. The assault on Tori was really bad but it could have been even worse. Much worse. Tori should sue all the girls in civil suits after the trial is over. Maybe even the 2 guys as well.

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August 3, 2008

Amyv

Scott -When I firsrt saw the video on t.v. I really thought i was going to get sick. I had known that teen violence was on the rise but, I couldn’t believe it. I think before I saw this tape I had my head in the sand. Of course this also caught my attention because I have a teenager. I think I just think if I get all the information I can figure out why they did this. I just can’t imagine doing that to another human being. I have never hit anyone and I think it would make me sick to do so. I hate it when people call it a “cat fight” or a “schoolyardfight”. First of all cat fight is demeaning to the victim. Second of all it just makes it look like it was a bunch of silly girls pulling hair and scratching. That is defintelly far from this case. I was brought up to believe that fighting, especially between girls was trashy.” I so agree but I think that incldes males as well. It looks cowardly not cool. That is what some people can’t get throught their heads. Even the worst situations can be handled without hitting someone. If you don’t like someone, just stay away them. That has always been my motto. I don’t have to like everyone. I was never scared to fight. I just didn’t see the point. If you listen to the 911 tape, the mother who called in said Tori’s mouth was full of blood and she thought she had a tooth knocked out. So we may not know all of the injuries. Also, in the pics of her taken by the police she is wearing a sling on her left arm. Nothing has every been mentioned about that. I think they are holding back on the full extent of the injuries for the trial and perhaps further civil action. Please don’t think I watch these tapes over and over. I couldn’t stand it. I just have a pretty good memory when it comes to details. Oh, and you can’t imagine how much I would like to be the prosectur in this case. Yes, that one look on her face tells it all. Its just so very, very sad. A look of total resolution. Like what every was going to happen just get it over with. At times, I have thought maybe they shouldn’t all go to state prisons. But, that is what they deserve. And, I am truly sorry that they are so young and don’t seem to have a bit of sympathy for another human being. That can’t be taught.

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August 3, 2008

Gex

Electronica may not have perfect spelling and may lack the experience of virtually every other regular poster here (he/she sounds quite young for one thing?), but still – in my opinion Electronica talks the most sense out of everyone here.

I agree that the video is a disgrace and some of the girls should be punished accordingly but those stating that April/BH/Kayla need to be jailed for at least 2-4 years (based on what we currently know from the vids and testimonies) really need to start living in the real world.

Yes, the rest of the tape may show us more things but Electronica is wise not to be jumping to conclusions and under the circumstances I really doubt the extra footage would justify 2+ years in jail for any of them.

And as for some claims that Kayla is the worst of them… well, based on what is known so far I highly doubt this!

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August 3, 2008

Amyv

Gex – I don’t believe Kayla was the worst of them. Yes El seems young. She does bring up some very valid points. What would you suggest the punishment for these girls be? No one on here takes it lightly that these girls are young. But, how should they be held accountable for their actions? Even without the extra footage, the charge that carries the most time is kidnapping. Remember some of these girls will be hitting 18 shortly after the trail. And as for the worst that would be Brittini Hardcastle. They don’t all deserve the exact same punishment. But, a slap on the wrist, no.

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August 5, 2008

Scott

Amy, it’s the new generation of tennagers that loves video games and revenge. Reasonable people realize that cornering one slight girl like Tori and imprisoning her and beating the hell out of her and torturing her emotionally is outrageous and wrong. But those 6 girls thought that Tori had it coming. It doesn’t add up to us but it did to them. Now the girls can add up their sentences in months and years in jail, probabtion and counseling. )

Amy I agre with you that it certainly wasn’t a catfight between Tori and the 4 girls who hit her. It was a clear cut case of assault and battery and false imprisonment. It doesn’t matter that Tori ticked them off with her alleged myspace comments. The girls went way too far with their revenge and now have to pay for it.

And I wonder if Stephen Schumaker’s father realizes what a fool he nade of himself saying what happened to Tori was a one on one fair fight. That was an absurd comment and shameful coming from an adult.

Gex, if Brittni Hardcastle who assaulted a defensless Tori who never even fought back only ends up with 2 years of jail time for assaulting and imprisoning Tori in Mercades nana’s house and forcing her into the car then she should consider herself lucky. Hardcastle should get the most time and I think she will. Partly because the other girls will sell Brittni down the river and pin most of the blame for the assault on her. I still think April and Kayla could get off with juvenile detention. Brittany Mayes won’t get much time in jail because she didn’t hit Tori much. She was filming the video and making pleasing noises while the assault was going on. Mercades should get some time for setting up Tori and turning on her friend like that. But most of all she should due time because she never said stop hitting Tori. It was her nana’s house and all she had to say was stop it you’ve hit Tori enough. But I think Mercades enjoyed seeing Tori get broken like that and that’s sad. I don’t know if the prosecution will let these girls cop pleas. If they can they should. Especially Brittni.

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August 5, 2008

Greg

Amyv “That B.H. is one awful b****. How in the hell can you beat on someone who isn&rsquot even fighting you until your hand hurts? ”

And people ask why there is so much violence in inner cities. It’s people like B.H. who are willing to beat on people until they either get tired or hurt their hands on the person. And of course someone will come along and give them a gun so they can be more efficiently violent.

Scott, it’s not the video games. I love/d video games too and I believe in revenge. However revenge against a non violent person involves words, not ambushing them and beating them up.

If it’s okay to beat up Victoria Lindsey, it’s also okay to beat up Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mother Teresa and any other non violent person who says or does stuff we don’t like or approve of. MLK was shot by people who didn’t like what he had to say, give someone with B.H.’s mentality a gun and they’ll shoot and kill a person for looking at them wrong or trash talking. It would be the wild west.

Scott Reasonable people realize that cornering one slight girl like Tori and imprisoning her and beating the hell out of her and torturing her emotionally is outrageous and wrong. But those 6 girls thought that Tori had it coming. It doesn&rsquot add up to us but it did to them.

I’ll add it up for you. No guilt. No remorse. No empathy. No compassion. No love. What do you do to people you hate? you destroy them.

How do you destroy them? Any way you possibly can. You’d kill them if you could get away with it but there are laws, so you decide to emotionally and psychologically destroy them instead because you cannot physically destroy them. Do you see? Destroying Victoria Lindsey is no different than taking a doll and shattering it with a large hammer, because she’s not really anything other than a physical object to use, abuse, or destroy.

I hope this gives you insight into the mindset. It’s not all bad though, remorse, compassion, empathy, etc are not required for good behavior. Good behavior is a result of training, the instincts merely make training a lot easier.

Now from a neutral perspective, if we look at Victoria Lindsey, she will be impacted by this and will learn her lesson one way or the other.

She will either learn to stop speaking her mind, or she will learn to destroy anyone who threatens her. It’s these sorts of experiences that turn normal individuals into violent individuals. If we ask why did the kids in Columbine shoot up their school, the answer become a lot more clear when you put yourself in the position of the tortured kid getting bullied by just about everyone in the entire school.

And if you go to the adults, the adults only reward the bullies, some adults (Bill Maher) might even act like you deserved it, and eventually people reach their last straw and get a gun and shoot each and every person who ever bullied them, and then we blame the guns of course, not the school, not the bullies, not even the victims who are turned into a bully themselves.

The only solution is to stop allowing bullying, by attacking the problem ruthlessly. By trying to focus on how the bully is feeling, the bully is given the chance to manipulate the situation to their advantage and continue their bullying. The only way to stop a bully is by out bullying them, this is what we all learned after getting beat up those first few times, how did we make it stop?

The schools and adults would always say “walk away from a fight.”, as if a bully is just going to allow a person to walk away without hitting them from behind. The schools and adults treat bullying like it’s a minor problem but it’s bullying that is the main cause of adult violence, because bullying is how people are taught that violence is the answer.

We can’t tell children violence is never the answer, but when they get bullied in school then tell them violence is the answer. We need to decide what we want. If we want a Might is Right society, then we need to accept that Might is Right and teach Might is Right in schools, and let students defend themselves and carry whatever weapons they have to, but if we want to try and have a weapon free society we have to end bullying, because I sure as hell am not going to give up any weapon I have anymore than a cat will give up it’s claws or a dog will give up it’s teeth, unless violence itself is outlawed.

Natural law dictates that only strength/physical might can establish moral right. There is no right and wrong, only weak and strong. If I’m stronger than you, I’m right and you’re wrong.

And that is ultimately what Kayla, B.H., and all bullies ultimately believe. And this is also what society believes, which is why society rewards bullies. Maybe we should encourage our children to be bullies so they can be above the law too.

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August 6, 2008

Amyv

Scott – These girls will all try to B.H. She is the worst of the bunch that is for sure. She needs some serious consequences. But, they all play a part in it. Don’t enjoy yourself while its happening and then when its time to pay for it whine. They all are pulling the “Oh, well I am just a little girl who made a mistake. Some of them saying they didn’ think it was that bad until after the fact,then they realized it had gone to far. You should have realized that while it was happening. They all enjoyed it. Did nothing to stop it. Planned it. Engaged in no matter to what extent. They all need prison time. I am sick of always having to consider the perps in cases. That is why are crime rate is so high. They get more protection from The justice system than the victims. Gex – don’t need to see the rest of the video to justify two years. What we know as facts already justifies more than that. Like I said before the kidnapping charges are what is going to bring them done. Everday in America youths as young as 12, 13, 14 commit extremely violent crimes. Either they need to go to mental facilities or start facing the consequences. April being 14 means nothing. She, besides B.H. got a higher bail set for Assault and battery because the level of participation in the beating. Don’t forget Mayes was in the car that they forced Victoria in to. So that adds additional participation and warrants further kidnapping involvement. I don’t know if you read the ledger, that is the local newspaper for this town. You can find it on the computer. 3 teenagers beat on one boy. 3 blows to the head. He died. That could have very easily happened to this girl with her MANY blows to the head. So what will those teenagers face? If one of those blows to Victorias head had killed her, noone would being thinking prison is to harsh.

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August 6, 2008

Scott

That was a very interesting analysis by you Greg. I agree with what you say especially about bullying. Bullying is dangerous and it’s usually tolerated by adults when children are involved. And bullying is tolerated at schools and that’s when kids in groups can gang up on other kids or even individual kids. The girls that assaulted Tori are probably used to being bullies and they didn’t like Tori mouthing off to them and made her pay for that. And Mercades grew to resent Tori and enjoyed seeing her get assaulted. These girls need for revenge is sad. But it happens to adults too.

Amy, we needs our laws to be adjusted to first and foremost protect the victim in the court of law and secondly protect the rights of the criminal. But it really doesn’t seem to be that way now and the victim often suffers more during trials and when the defense attorney’s attack the victim. I wonder if the attorney’s representing the 5 teens on trial for assaulting Tori will go on the attck to discredit Tori during the trial and say that she instigated the incident by what she allegedly wrote and said about the girls. I think this might happen. But I don’t think a judge or jury would like that strategy because Tori has been through enough.

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August 7, 2008

Electronica

amyv you first say no one here takes it lightly that the girls are so young and than you say that April being 14 means nothing. i dont understand you.

you seem so full of hate sometimes just like some of those girls.

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August 7, 2008

Amyv

El – You are absolutely right. That is what is so hard for me to figure all of this out in mine mind. I know they are young. But, how can they be so cruel for people of their age. Or any age for that matter. April’s age bothered me from the very beginning but, she seems to have more rage than half of the girls there. Before I saw the video and realized she had done so much of the brutal beating, I figured she had just got caught up with some older girls. But her actions say different. She seems so hard core. She was giggling when she was in front of the judge. If someone can answer for me, was she the one on the video that said “you brought this all on yourself sweetie” to Victoria? Right after she beat the crap out of her. El -this does invoke a lot of anger in me. I have seen bullying getting more and more out of hand with young people. It has to stop. It is horrible that the violence has escalated to the level that it has. That is why I get angry and think they deserve severe punishment. something has got to stop or at least lower this type of behavior. Victims rights are not given enough weight in our court system. It always seems we are looking for a way to justify theirs. Their ages, horrible childhoods, etc. And yes I was upset when I read another teenager was senselessly killed by 3 others from 3 blows in the head. I think society has turned its back on this kind of behavior for to long. Why if you just want to go and enjoy shool and receive the education you deserve, should you have to worry about all of this bullying and fighting? It is time for the adults to take charge to make some changes. Stricter rules and punishment have to be applied. You shouldn’t have to be forced to face bullies, or become one yourself. El- I just want kids to not have to ever face things like this. I know their will always be bad people who just won’t learn. But, we have to start somewhere. I am not just talking about this case only, I am talking about across the board. Jumping, gangs running wild, fighting at school, beating up teachers, when did this become exceptable slap on the wrist behavior? We need to crack down on this El or how can we protect anyones safety. Including yours and mine. Sorry if I sound cold hearted sometimes, I just think more we should be more concerned with the victim in this case, than those that choose to act so brutally. I do believe strongly they all need mental evaluations and therapy. But also punishment.

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August 7, 2008

Amyv

Scott – Me and you are on the same page. If you read my blog to El you will see what I think about bullying. As for the victims and attorney’s trashing Victoria in court, I would not be surprise but that would be a big mistake. To me that would only be digging a deeper hole for yourself.

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August 7, 2008

Amyv

Greg – My answer to encouraging bullying is I think that is what has been going on for to long. Expell them from school. No second chances. What every happened to zero tolerance of bullying after Columbine? That didn’t last very long. We can’t even keep the teachers safe anymore. So what do you tell a 60 year old teacher to do when confronted by a pack of bullies? Defend yourself? If I was in the teaching profession, where the pay is poor, and had to go to work to this type of behavior I would quit. They are their to try to help this kids and its more like a battlefield. The administration and parents need step up and say we are not going to tolerate this anymore. Back to zero tolerance. Police the schools, yes it has come that far, put up security videos. Throw the ones out that can’t follow the rules. Protect the innocent ones from this type of behavior. Quit letting teenagers run the show. Punish the ones criminaly who are involved. Build more juve. centers.

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August 7, 2008

Scott

Amy, I read on another message board that the defense attorney’s are oing to go after Tori and her reputation. I don’t know if this is true but I can’t imagine such a strategy would please a jury.

I can tell you are passionate about bullying Amy and I agree with everyhting you say. Young people these days seem desensitized when it comes to hurting others.

It seems that Brittany Mayes gave a deposition on July 31, 2008. I hope this is made publicx like Kayla Hassal’s was.

Speaking of baby faced Kayla it was her who said to Tori “you brought this all on yourself sweetie”. Kayla also said “it’s always someone else’s fault” in reference to Tori. Kayla has a distinctive voice and I can tell her voice from the other girls. And when Brittni was taking a breather from pummelling a helpless Tori Kayla was seen on the video pointing her finger and yelling at Tori about a boy named Marcus and Tori’s father seeing something on myspace. Kayla’s scolding a crying Tori actually got Brittni fired up for another round of blows to Tori’s head and that was very dangerous. It’s a minor miracle Tori wasn’t hurt worse than she was. Tori is one tough girl even though she doesn’t look tough.

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August 7, 2008

Amyv

Scott – I could not be sure whos voice that was. Thank you. That statement to me made my blood boil. The use of the word sweetheart is liking pouring salt into a wound. Once againt knowing it is one of the “little” ones that said this shows a greater amount of cowardice. Trying to sound so tough and so demeaning to the victim. I don’t like fighting at all but, I think if sweetheart had tried take the victim on by herself she would have lost. The attornies need some kind of defense in this mound of evidence. But, If I were on a jury, but mouthing the victim would be a fatal mistake on their part. With the video and total lack of remorse from these idiots, good luck attacking the victims character. I hope this goes to trial soon. And I agree the only on that comes out tough from this whole ordeal is Victoria. She took a horrible beaing and survived. The rest, if they think this is bringing them any kind of fame, should know they are viewed as cowards. I am sure Brittanys deposition will be full of the same garbage. Trying to get sympathy. Not going to work.

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August 7, 2008

Laurie

Wow Greg – thanks for the analysis. Remarkable…you sound like someone else I know.

Amyv – I am not defending these girls, but I saw somewhere above where you were wondering about the girl giggling in front of the judge, and sometimes that is like a defense mechanism when someone is nervous.

Nice to think she was nervous, huh?

It’s too bad these girls just don’t see…and if they do start attacking Tori, I agree – it will not be good for the defense.

Bullying and sexual abuse prevention are desperately needed in our schools, because you know many parents don’t teach their kids.

I always get stuck on the whole parenting aspect, because what do you do, when you know there are bad parents out there? And foster homes are not much better sometimes….

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August 7, 2008

John

I agree- Tori was the only one who appeared tough after the beating. She was arguing and shouting right back at them through her pain even though she was facing six hostile people who would like nothing better than to see her bleeding or dead on the floor. I wish I had been there to help her.

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August 8, 2008

Scott

You’re welcome Amy. I think part of the reason Kayla was so vocal during Tori’s ordeal is because Kayla is the one girl who had the most personal issues with Tori becaue she allegedly stole Tori’s boyfriend Marcus whixh made Tori angry. And her being 2 years younger than Tori had to embarrass Tori which may have led to Tori sending her an email saying she was going to kick Kayla’s butt.

Laurie, you make a pertinent point about the parenting issue. But with both parents having to work these days it isn’t as easy to raise well behaved and thoughtful children that it used to be. And the internet has caused alot of problems for kids because they learn to hide behind a computer and write anyhting they want to.

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August 8, 2008

Amyv

scott – this will throw a monkey wrench into some of these lawyers attempts to discredit the victim. Mercades Nicholes arrested again. For, surprise, cyber bullying, stalking and assault and battery. Wow. Cyber bullying, wasn’t this the excuse for beating up Victoria. This was against an ex boyfriend and surprise again , even after the boy got an injunction against her, Brittini Hardcastle (name sound familiar) helped deliver a gift to this boy for Mercades. Boy what a bunch of little devils. How dare them beat on this girl and say she was talking trash on my space, when Mercades was threatening this boys life on the internet. And, no doubt Brittini Hardcastle had to know all about it. Looks like their lawyers have their work cut out for them. Planning to discredit the victim because of her past. Good Luck on that one.

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August 8, 2008

-Anonnymous

I laughed within the first two lines – what are you KIDDING ME. [read in whinny voice]…I felt bad as I watched each and every one of us take turns at pummeling her while we recorded the whole thing, not with the intent of posting it but … with the intent of…keeping it for a souvenir!?

You and your LOSER friends are scum and to even try and put yourself in a chair marked ‘victim’ is APPALLING. After what you did you deserve all the ‘unwanted attention’ the world can provide.

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August 8, 2008

Scott

Amy, you are right about those girls being troublemakers. But it’s a shame Tori decided to live with Mercades knowing the troubled and sometimes violent kind of girl she is.

Anonymous, who said “I felt bad as I watched each and every one of us take turns at pummelling her”? I don’t think I’ve read that.

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August 8, 2008

Amyv

Scott – I believe anonymous was refering to Kayla’s attempt for sympathy saying she felt bad for Victoria. I agree it is a shame Tori decided to live with this girl. Especially since the girl turned on her. But, once again, nothing she could have ever done could excuse their behavior. Although, it is turning out to be quite a pattern isn’t it?

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August 8, 2008

Scott

Yes Amy it’s a bad pattern of behaviour. And dangerous too. I hope the cat is let out of the bag on these girls during the trial about their behaviour and the criminal things they have done to others. And I hope witnesses come forward to testify against the girls and not just in Tori’s assault.

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August 8, 2008

Amyv

Scott – If you remember the mother of the girl who called 911 for Victoria said her daughter had had trouble with these girls before. The grandmother of the ex-byfriend of Mercades Nichols said she believed the girl was dangerous and did not want her around her house. Brittini Hardcastles behavior speaks for itself. Yes, I think these girls have been quite the bullies around town. Those days should be over when they go to court I hope. I think they could probably come up with a few character witnesses to testify these girls are bullies. Not sure of course but I know of 3 right off the bat. Mercades ex-boyfriend, his grandmother, the girl who picked up Victoria after she was beaten. Who knows who else.

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August 9, 2008

Scott

The mother of Tori’s friend Lisa Kelley said the girls were toughies around town who tried to run her daughter off the road. And that is a very serious crime that has to be addressed during the trial. To me targerting someone to run off the road is almost like putting a hit out on someone. It shows how violent these girls could be without thinking twice. And so the girls plotting to assault Tori is sadly par for the course for those girls.

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August 17, 2008

Electronica

amyv were you talking about the the boy killed in sarasota? i found it and read all about it. but you have the story confused.

its was two boys attacking one boy. he fell to the ground and they kicked him in the head. he went out cold. and they started pounding on him! when he was out cold on the ground.

its not that it took only three blows. they mean that three blows were so hard that any of them could have killed him. i guess they huit so hard the docs could see it on the face and skull.

i dont think they wanted to kill him but i dont think it was just an accident they must have hit so hard that he would be hurt real real bad even if he lived. thats what i meant by real jump. and he didnt even fight them he was just trying to break up the fighting. they had like a group of 11 boys and even a baseball bat and attacked these kids at a party. i think this was much worse than what the girls did. i mean even if the boy didnt die it would be much worse.

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August 17, 2008

Amyv

El – I think I was refering to another story. I will have to look it up and get back to you on that. The one you are talking about is simply terrible. You make a statement that you think they didn’t mean to kill him. Here is the problem with blows to the head. You never know which one can be fatal. Even if you are not jumped an beaten one at a time, it is dangerous. One of the blows to tori’s head could have been fatal and those girls would have been charged with murder. saying I din’t mean to kill that persons isn’t going to keep you out of jail. Sometimes a less severe blow to the head can cause more extensive to the brain then a heavier one. It just has to be in the right spot. This is were you are playing with fire. These fights are so out of control and so filled with anger that at the time I don’t think the kids care what happens to the person they are beating. To me gang violence and that is what both of these cases amount to is all bad. A young person is dead over what? Fighting and people that don’t have a bit of sympathy for others. What is the thrill in this? They will go to jail for life. The fighting has got to stop. It is ridiculous. Teenagers and young adults are out of control. If putting them in jail is what it takes then, they brought it on themselves. What these girls did deserves hard punishment. The next victim may not be as lucky as Victoria. Sorry El I know we disagree. Their is just no excuse for their behavior. They did act like a pack of animals and it seems to be a pattern with some of them at least.

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August 17, 2008

Electronica

amyv let me know if you find the story i didnt.

and amyv pls dont m,ake it look like im all for fighting im not. i just fight back if i have to what else can i do. but i help stop fights too.

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May 3, 2012

Nekhihenschke

Who jumps ppl??? They shoulda lined up and did it one on one if it was that serious.the punishment shoulda been line those bitches up and let Tori whoop all their asses

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