Suspected Utah MySpace rapist arrested

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21-year-old Aaron Clow is not only accused of having sex with a 13-year-old girl but he’s also accused of raping several other underage girls.

A man arrested for having sex with a 13-year-old girl also is suspected of contacting underage girls via MySpace.com, befriending their families, and then raping the girls. Aaron Clow, 21, was taken into custody after a Taylorsville teenager told police she had a relationship with him for three years – since she was 13.

The scariest part is that these parents fell for his line of bull. I would have never let my daughter be alone with any 21-year-old.

Thanks to a different Aaron for the tip.

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101 responses to “Suspected Utah MySpace rapist arrested”

March 3, 2008

J

He shouldn’t have been messing around with minors. I completely agree. But I love the comment on the news “it’s very unusual in this case, he actually goes in takes them on dates and befriends the families.” Uh…yeah…He was a boyfriend. I think these girls just found out about each other and this is their way of lashing back at him. Still it is statutory rape. But I highly doubt he forced them.

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March 3, 2008

A.

I knew this man. He tried to go on dates with me all the time and when one of my friends found out i was talking to him she warned me that he had tried to rape her and he had raped another one of our friends… They had to evidence so they couldn’t do anything.
I am so happy he’s been caught for his disgusting acts.

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March 3, 2008

J

I know him too. I’ve known Aaron for over a year. This is what he gets for messing around with minors still in high school. To be honest I dont know my opinion on the matter to well. You never can really know someone. But I still don’t believe it was anything more then Statutory Rape. But who knows, maybe the girls just didnt feel strong enough to tell him no. But if he was raping them at his house…..why did the girls not yell? Their were always people there.

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March 3, 2008

Victoria

alright to be honest with all of you… i dont know what to do… This exact thing happened to me with aaron… it was 3 years ago… and yes i didnt feel strong enough to say no… it happened numerous times… my fault I&rsquom sure… but at the same time he was so manipulative! and it was like he dropped me like a rag doll when he was done with me. so do i join the other 5 girls and come forth to the police? or do i just let it go… keep in mind this was just after my 18th birthday… so i “was no longer a child”… but i really was…

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March 4, 2008

Dan

Victoria, The legal aspects do not diminish the human aspects of this predator’s behavior with you. You were legally a grown woman, changing how we label what happened to you, but you can go to the police and be clear that you are merely sharing information and are not suggesting what they do with it. Just go, ask for someone’s help, and tell your story. Though there may be no prosecution related to you, you never know what information will help them. You could help. Let them decide.

Plus there are tons of other reasons to go. Set a good example. Maybe your bravery will help a younger girl come forward. And go for yourself. It’ll help you start addressing what happened to you. Even if police decide his behavior falls more the disgusting side than the criminal side, it’s very important for you to start working on it for yourself.

And honey go to a rape crisis center. It’s not too dramatic. He hurt you, took advantage of you sexually. Maybe you won’t end using the word “rape” to label what happened. Maybe you will. The criminal aspect does not define what goes on inside you. Crime has the burden of proof whereas you know what happened and how you felt. You feel used, violated. And yes you were so young. A rape crisis center can help you even if it turn out to be not a matter for the law. Let the law decide if it’s their matter.

So first go to the rape crisis center. They’ll have someone to advise you on contacting the police. Then go to the police.

Take care Victoria. You don’t need the law to label the level of fault and violation you feel. Clearly he is a violator. Go do what you need to do. Take what you’ve learned in such a painful way and tell girls to keep their wits about sex, repect and protect themselves. You sound like a strong young woman. Good luck.

Dan

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March 4, 2008

Victoria

thank you for your kind words dan.. i have decided to go to the police and share them my story… but the things is that holds me back is i have had much worse happen to me. when i was 6 just after my dad pasted away (mom and dad were divorced at this time) my mothers boyfriend would “play” with me at night… waking me up to “play”.. not im old enough i can look back and tell that he was drunk off his ass. from then on i guess i decided that i had to give it up or it would be taken.. this actually happened again later in my life when i was 14 with a 17 year old boy who called himself my boyfriend… well karma is a bitch and he passed away 2 years later in a car accident. so my whole life i have felt unworthy of good things happening to me with men. so as i lead my sexually active lifestyle with out actually wanting to. (get it i feel like im being confusing) than all that happened with aaron. just about 6 months ago i just got done charging my mothers boyfriend through the court. i honestly dont need to go to a rape counselor… i have been to many nothing helped.. but i did find something that did help me and to this day i still attend. but the point is because of my progress i have had the courage to come forth with these bad times. but what im worried about or what i constantly think about is (well look at my story) i feel like its hard to believe me for all that iv been though. i mean its like a sad sad movie.. like it just doesn&rsquot stop. if someone were to talk to me about all these things happening to them i would just feel that they were trying to get attention. i guess thats when i coward away. What it comes down to is im afraid no one will believe me. sorry for all the grammer and all… im in a hurry this morning 🙂

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March 4, 2008

Dan

Victoria, for a variety of reasons, violated children are often sexually active before they are ready or pleased with it. It’s common.

The sexually abused draw up the statistics because they become attractive targets for future predators. Predators can tell who to work on.

Of course hurt girls want attention! Who doesn’t want attention? What’s wrong with attention?

I think violated children kind of live with a perpetual hunger for the moment they dreamed of when mom or dad would burst into the room, stab the violator in the neck, and then hold and comfort him or her for as long as it took. The hunger for attention tries to chip away at that moment when you were SURE you were inocent and the attacker evil. At 18, you’re not so sure anymore. But you still want comfort.

Symphathy isn’t pity. There’s nothing wrong with attention or sympathy. You deserve it. It belongs to you. What’s more, it’s hard to move on without it.

Rape crisis centers often have good counselors. Sounds like you found one elsewhere. That’s good.

That fear that no one will believe you because you’ve been promiscuous is common too. That’s a big part of the old chauvanist machine. Put your foot down about that. Being promiscuous is your choice/freedom/right/mistake to make, whatever you want to call it. If it’s part of what you need (needed) to work out who you are, it’s your right. No one has the right to prey on you or blame you for choices you were free to make. Any woman, from a wife to a prostitute, and even a promiscuous girl, can fall prey to a rapist.

A new nasty little dynamic we have going on these days (sprung from that old “she’s the type of girl who deserves it”) is attaching some revulsion to victimhood. “I’m nobody’s victim!” is an admirable stance. Well that’s bullshit for someone who has been assaulted. You have to understand that you were a victim and being a victim is someone else’s fault, not yours. Then you can work on moving on.

What you’re probably talking about with this Aaron creature is sometimes called “gray rape” these days. Clearly your mom’s boyfriend sexually assaulted you. Clearly boys you’ve dated who you wanted to have sex with, even if it was because you felt needy, did not rape you. And Aaron falls somewhere in between, a gray area.

If you are not going to the police and accusing him of rape, then there’s nothing to not believe. Be honest about everything, your confusion and the consent you did give. Leave it to the police to sort out. Maybe it won’t be labeled “rape.” That doesn’t mean it wasn’t deceptive, abusive, cruel. You have every right to be hurt, even if what he did to you wasn’t criminal.

You will want to run it by your counselor before you go to the police. Get advice and support, know what you can and should not expect.

Sounds like you’re doing a fine job, Victoria. Do some reading. Women almost always doubt and blame themselves. They fall for it when others blame them. It’s classic. Read about how abused children think about themselves, how they feel and act as adults. predators twist victims’ heads. You can grow past it. Sounds like you’re working hard to do that.

You’re only 21. So young. It’s such a tough time. You can change your sad sad movie. I feel certain you will. You sound like a hard worker, tough, ready to take things on. That hard work will bear fruit and in a few years you’ll be able to feel sad for the messed up, hurt girl you were, but she won’t quite be you anymore.

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March 4, 2008

H

yahhh-
i always did get a weird vibe from you…..
creeper.

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March 4, 2008

Ashley

I don’t know how any of you people knew Aaron, but for me personally this was a huge shock. I went to school with Aaron for about 5 years, he dated one of my best friends, came to my house, and met my family, this was something that nobody that I know ever expected.

Please don’t think that I’m saying there is no way this is possible, because I’m not, I’m just saying that I never saw it coming. My heart goes out to these girls and I hope they are doing okay.

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March 4, 2008

.

I knew him my freshman year in HS. I guess I can undersand now why he seemed to like my friends and me so much? We went on a date in January of this year. Nothing happened but after the whole funny, nice and attentive guy thing he got really clingy. I mean REALLY clingy and butthurt when I woudn’t be with him 24/7 it seems. Like some other people, this came to me as a complete HUGE blow. I hope that the girls are okay and everything comes out into the light. I shall hold my own opinion back for I don’t know nor have the right to say I know the complete history and development of the situation. But…WOW.

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March 4, 2008

J

I missed it…who’s a creeper? Like Ashley said. It was a shock to me too. Knowning him for the last year, hanging out with him oh maybe two weeks ago? I never would have thought. Infact when I heard it from B I thought he was messing with me until I looked it up. I always enjoyed hanging out with the guy, he was pretty funny. But wow he is in a mess. Haha I think its funny how many people know him. But my heart does go out to those girls….Im just glad Im not one of them.

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March 4, 2008

Victoria

Well an update… I did call the west valley police unfortunately I got an answering machine. The detective did call me back but I was unable to answer. I have no called back yet. I will tomorrow.

To your name is . on your posting. I would greatly appreciate if you did share your opinion, and what do you mean you know the whole history and development of the situation?

Dan thank you very much once again. your replies have really affected me deeply. thank you for the time and the support you have been willing to give to me.

It seems that just about everyone here that has posted knows Aaron in some way. Obviously he got around. I&rsquom willing to bet that all but maybe one is female. After all that happened between me and Aaron this really doesn&rsquot surprise me a bit. My heart dropped when I saw his story on 2 news Friday night, it&rsquos like it all came back to me. I felt like I had let it go, and I have up to a certain point. I guess just remembering has sucked me back in.

All I know is that I am so happy to be with my current love. I had gotten with him shortly after what had happened with Aaron, so we have been together a long time. He doesn&rsquot know anything about Aaron or what had happened to me. I know in my heart that I get to tell him, (I&rsquom really big with honesty) but at the same time I&rsquom scared to.

I keep having these feelings of anger fear and regret popping up the last couple of days. I just want this all to end.

By the way does anyone know the status of where Aaron is right now? Still in police custody? Or is he still living in that hell whole. if anyone of you had been to his house you would know what I&rsquom talking about. Also I had talking to him on msn about 2-3 weeks ago, just hi, how are you, bleh bleh bleh type of thing. I could defiantly tell that he was still a jerk so I stopped talking to him and blocked hi, but I did learn that he had a baby. Does anyone know anything about that story? I send out my blessings to that little one. I hope he/she is in the best care of the mother right now.

Thank all of you for you postings they have assisted me greatly. Good night.

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March 5, 2008

Victoria

Thank you jess I did message you on myspace… I will talk with you soon.

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March 5, 2008

Ashley

According to Salt Lake County’s website he’s still in custody with $100,000.00 bail set….

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March 5, 2008

Ashley

Oh and it looks like he was sentenced to 30 days for some insurance thing.

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March 5, 2008

Dan

Victoria, I think this is one of the most useful truths in life: Growth requires discomfort. I use it every single day. People who don’t grow stagnate because they try to stay in a safe zone of comfort. So all your fear and anger, all that discomfort, could mean good things for you. Stick with it. Find out what’s on the other side.

My daughter, roughly your age, hates when I spout relationship advice for young adults, but that rarely me. So: People are entitled to their private thoughts. You don’t have to tell your boyfriend anything you don’t want to that doesn’t have to do with him. Besides, young people have trouble differentiating between asking for loving support and using a partner as a counselor. That last is a no no for relationship health. Sometimes a partner will feel compelled to “fix.” Plenty of relationship start on the slippery slope because people get too fused and don’t have good boundaries.

It’s not a secret. It’s private, for now. When it’s time to tell him, you’ll know. If you want to tell him now so he can support you better, you might ask your counselor to help you figure out what it is you want to achieve by telling him. Helps to clarify. Just make it clear to him that all you need is his love and understanding and there’s nothing he can “do.” I’m sure he’s a great guy if he was lucky enough to get you.

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March 5, 2008

J

100,000 is just for the charge of rape of a child. And he is charged twice with that. And for everything else it totals around $213,000. Im pretty sure he will be in there for at least those 3 days. If not years.

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March 5, 2008

Girl

I’m not going to post my real name cause I actually dated the guy. He was a loser to date cause he was always tryin to do one thing and then i blew him off becuase he would be rude about me made me feel really awkward. I truely beleive that he could have done this just simply based on his character this guy slept with TONS of girls….Alot of really nasty looking ones. In all honesty Aarons parents and his home and even aaron is clean cut. I met his parents a couple times and they seemed really cool! But like I said I beleive he could of done it he didnt seem to have that great of character

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March 5, 2008

Victoria

Girl-
I had met his parents also. and his brother and sister for that matter. He intruduced me to all his family. His parents are great. They are very friendly people. But in less he is living in a different house than he used to with his parents 3 years ago than it was not a good home. So you dated him? What happened in your relationship? Did he ever try to sleep with you? Did it ever happen? I didnt understand your post to well. Maybe you can give us a little more? I hope your relationship with Aaron what a lot better than mine was. And to tell you the truth this doesnt surprise me at all either. Im just glad he finally got cought.

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March 5, 2008

Victoria

Ashely-
Where did you get that information? Can you copy and paste the URL?

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March 5, 2008

Ashley

http://www.slco.org/JailRoster/JailRosterServlet?…

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March 5, 2008

.

To Victoria:
Im sorry for the misunderstanding in the way I worded one of my sentences.
I DONT know the history or development behind this case right here. I knew him but we never were close enough that I would know about his dating “history and system”. Also, what I meant by not sharing my opinion is because of just that fact, that I really don’t know anything about the girls he dated and how often and etc,. I cant speak my mind for him and those girls. I think someone else brought up a good point early in this discussion board that it was interesting how the news said ‘it was interesting that he actually took them out and got to know their families…’ Because that IS called dating. Im sure a girl would allow that if she was mutual about it as well. Now, I am not saying in any any any case that anyone else besides him has played a part in bringing on this situation. Clearly something about him and his doings have brought him to this popint where he is now. That’s clear. Im simply saying because I dont know the girls and their dating and lifestyle, and very vaguely know his, Im in no position to make a biased opinion.

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March 6, 2008

Ashley

Even more charges have been added today….I’m pretty sure he’s not going anywhere anytime soon.

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March 6, 2008

Tiffany

This is the most rudiculous thing i have ever seen. k first of all do you know how much they have made him out to be some raper. we are in 2008 people alot of kids are having sex yes underage is completely illegal which i agree but to make things up and say he stalked girls and he raped girls is such a lie. so how is it these girls that are 13 that are sleeping with many boys have no consequence their parents find out and they claim they were raped because they dont want their parents to know they are sleeping around. Its pretty pathetic we live in a world where girls are taught no consequence when it comes to sex. aaron may have slept with underage girls but i know he wouldnt rape anyone!!!! if you accuse anyone of rape you need proof from a rape test. im so sick of stupid little girls who cant keep their legs closed and make false accusations of rape. clarify what really happened you are putting someones life in jeporady and aarons beautiful little baby boy who in fact is my nephew. Im not saying he didnt do anything wrong but for the media to say he was a stalker and got to know girls family well duh he dated them. all i have to say is this is a bunch of childish behavior from little girls who go to school with my younger siblings and they are not so innocent. check out all their my space pages…. its sad that people make could be so careless. we need a law for young teenage girls who accuse people of rape because they dont want to admit they sleep around. also its your fault if you dont tell a guy no and act as if its ok how is he suppose to know you dont want to. lets not act stupid now. its sad your that weak!!!

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March 6, 2008

R

How many parents allow older boys to date their 13 year old daughters. If Aaron came in ,met the families had dinner etc etc dont you think that any parent would get a clue. Some of these girls that have made accusations have myspace pages that say Im the hardest #@#@ around etc etc..( and similiar) and now their parents found out and are angry.. well maybe they need to take a look and read the myspace pages and watch their kids behaviour. I know that rape needs to be handled but RApe is a harsh word.. physical violence etc, is how we think of rape. without judging the situation and going merely on knowing this person I dont think that this was involved. It seems strange that this would all come out of the woodwork now..I honestly hope for the best to all that are involved, but how fair is it to claim rape, when being a willing participant. Im saving judgement untill I know all of the facts and ACCURATE information from all parties involved.. It doesnt matter how many girls he has dated or how often he had sex Who are we to make nasty comments about him until we know the truth.

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March 6, 2008

Jess

This one is for Tiffany, thanks so much for the myspace message. Free speech hunny. I can say whatever I want to whom ever I want. To me its girls like you that start things like these. I didnt say anything bad, nor would I ever about Aaron or any part of his family. I merely stated that I knew he was born sometime around the summer and the girl was 18. If you are mad be mad at Aaron its all over his myspace. Dont contact me, I will turn you in for harassment.

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March 6, 2008

Victoria

. Tiffany-
How can you sit there and say that Aaron was not like this? Obviously he was. And why are you accusing all these girls of accusing rape when “it was not”. You were not there when it happened. Sorry to say but you have no say in what really happened.. YOU WERE NOT THERE! And as for calling all the girls weak? that&rsquos the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I would defiantly say that all these girls are strong for owning their voice and telling their stories. Aaron&rsquos story was aired on the news on Friday night. At that time there were 5 girls that had come forward to the police about their relations with Aaron. I doubt all those girls knew each other and decided to “screw him over” and report some bullshit. I went and talked to the detective today and told my story. It was very hard. But I learned that I&rsquom not the only one to come forward sense Friday. There was another girl. So that&rsquos a total of 7 girls to come forth. doesn&rsquot that seem a little weird to you? And as for you being his sons aunt, that&rsquos great! That means you can make sure he gets the best care that he deserves! I don&rsquot know the situation with Aaron and his sons mother, but I do know that I had talked to him on msn 3 weeks ago and he told me about how she broke it off with him. But I can&rsquot listen to anything his guy says, its all bull to me. Obviously Aaron was not ready to become a father. If he was he would have dropped all this behavior and cleaned up to become a wonderful parent. Obviously that didn&rsquot happen. I pray for his baby that he will by okay. But he will not have Aaron in his life for a long time. And if I were the mother I would be thinking if I would ever let Aaron into the baby&rsquos life after what has happened. You really think it would be wise to let a sex offender raise a baby? I don&rsquot know that&rsquos the mothers choice. But I hope she makes the best choice possible for what happens in her baby&rsquos life.
Next time think about who you are calling weak, cause in reality these girls have the most strong souls for coming forward with this terrible nightmare.

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March 6, 2008

Dan

Tiffany and R,

“Rape” is the term for intercourse with a child in this country. It does not require force, only manipulation. In less developed nations, men may marry children and legally rape them. Not here. He we are sophisticated enough to know that a child cannot consent. We know an adult predator may talk a child into just about anything. Ever wonder why kids rarely turn in predators who do icky things to them? Kids are weak under adult power adults, that’s why.

Predators tend to choose needy or messed up kids. They’re easier to manipulate. And being overtly sexual at such a young age is a sign of prior abuse.

No one is saying Aaorn was violent or used physical force. He is a predator and they rarely need physical force.

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March 7, 2008

tiffany

to the girls i offended. Im not saying he didn.t do any of this obviously something is up. I never meant to offend you i just got carried away. I shouldnt be the one to judge untill the facts come out. Its hard a deal for everyone i understand

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March 8, 2008

hi im aarons sister

let me say one thing….My brother did not rape any of these girls. Oh I guess they can play with my parents pets and sit and talk come over more than a few times. and when was this suppost to happen .It did not happen in my parents house.So now its rape after the fact . I was young once to played the same game with guys. What has happened to innocent until proven guilty. I feel sorry for any man that has to live threw this becauce women can be very cruel . Being at my moms home meeting aarons friends I can honestly tell there was NOT ONE SINGLE RAPE IN MY MOTHERS HOME IKNOW I WAS THERE ALL THE TIME. Hello people this shit is slander against my brother and guess what, some of the charges against have been dropped. and he will be fighting this all the way, its a she said case the burdon of proof is on the prosicution to prove and it will go to trial…IF IT MAKES IT THAT FAR…… My brother is a very good person and we all have had problems in our life but he IS NOT A RAPIST or clingly like some of these comments say .I am deffending him becuase you assholes have just gone by what the media has said. well the media raped him…there needs to be more laws that help men from being accused of things they didnt do.girls out being wild. look at the junior high nude pictures of them self sending to people by text. let me see none of them are probably having sex… If they can do that, well hello isnt this a wake up call all teenagers do things they dont want mommy to know about . out having sex oh I got cought its rape I wont get in trouble the guy will…….No It s F@#$$
up his life . The laws need to be changed to protect the men to, not just women from she said he said shit. the proof will be out soon enogh and aarons true friends have been by his side and we all will fight because he is innosent…. so make comments of facts none of you have .but we do have some things and guess what that is love, faith, and trust in the justice system and prooff beond reasonable dought…. there is none..I dont know who tiffany is I will find out becuase that is my dead sister and aarons thank you but please dont use her name. my family is very good ,we didnt have alot of money but we always had a place to live. none of you really know him and your opions (the rude ones) dont help any one. aaron is loved and he has MANY people there to help him from ths cruel slander………..

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March 8, 2008

hi im aarons sister

tiffany I think I realized who you are please stay strong and thank you my brother needs more people like you who really know him to come forward on how much of a good person he really is. tell ky if she needs any thing call. I hope you realize who this is.

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March 8, 2008

Dan

Kim, these things are so unfair to families, especially siblings. It’s a reality crusher. I’m so sorry you have to go through this.

You can’t imagine how incredibly pissed it makes many of us readers to hear you say middle school girls even sat in your parents’ home and socialized, were allowed even that level of acceptance for interacting with a grown man. Considering that even that is incredibly inappropriate, and considering how protective most citizens are of children, there’s bound to be a lot of ugly stuff here.

I know saying this will make you angry, but so you don’t make yourself crazy, it would be a lot better for you to avoid these discussions. It’s not fair for you to have to see the ugly feelings people have toward your brother. Of course you want to support and stick by your brother. You are a good sister. But this place will only make you angry and helpless.

I hope you get through this awful time ok.

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March 8, 2008

…

I compelety agree with Dan. You think these girls should be held responsible for their action. But Aaron shouldn’t be? He wasn’t old enough or mature enough to realize that by running around with girls under age that he willingly opened himself up to this?

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March 8, 2008

kim

We never knew how old they were.we never asked, they looked alot older .I know things you dont and you are intitled to your opion to. I really think until people have the facts which im sorry you dont. you should not pass judgement on someone by what the media says. this has been hard for everyone on both sides. if my brother did this he will pay the price but he dont need people who know nothing other than what a couple of news cast say and run with it . I love my brother very much and if you were in my shoes it gets really hard to read nonsence from people who really dont know what there talking about. I feel for these girls and im sorry they are going threw this. my family is getting slandered and that I will not be quiet about. I was just saying young girls are dating older guys .they lie about there age come on what year is this. hello are you blind to reality. listen to the news you do that very well .all people should be acountable for there actions .even teenage girls who lie about there age and actions they commit to. this was not rape im sorry you need to know your facts like i said before you have none just what the media says.well we all know you cant belive every thing you hear on the news its always made out to more than it is….

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March 8, 2008

Dan

Of course these middle school kids should be held responsible for their actions. Holding a middle schooler responsible might appropriately include repurcussions like an extreme overhaul of freedoms, computer use, movement without a parent of trusted adult.

And holding a man responsible in these situations usually includes jail time.

Children and adults operate under an entirely different set of expectations and consequences.

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March 8, 2008

hello motto

Read this, regardless if he raped them or not. He put himself in a situation were this could take place. I played little league football with aaron, and went to elementary through high school with him. I feel bad that this happened to him, because I know deep down he is a great son, brother, father, and friend. He just always had a sexual drive. He just should of stayed naked the way i see it. But I wish he would of stayed away from little girls. Because they play the system. they have sex until they get caught and know that its not right so they find a lope hole to blame it on someone else. And in this case aaron was an adult so they were able to pin staguatory on him. But I really don’t know the true facts. I just know aarons character, and i know he isn’t evil enough to take advantage of someone’s free will. If they had of said no, he would of let go. But the law is the law he got himself in a pickle because these girls were under 18. Listen girls if he didn’t really rape you come out clean, if you were consentual let everyone know. Don’t protect yourself, cause your life isn’t about to be taken if you come out clean. If you are lying you are only putting him in a worse situation. He already has staguatory. If thats it let it only be that. If he didn’t physically rape you, than don’t let him go down for that.

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March 8, 2008

Dan

I was thinking about J’s initial comments. A kid can’t have a grown up “boyfriend.” A kid following a grown man around is a manipulated kid permitting it in order to get attention. It’s a sick farce. I don’t think we understand just how easy kids are to manipulate or why predators choosed messed up kids.

Also, wouldn’t we come down on say, Ashton Cushter or Johny Depp? They are extremely handsome older men girls ooh and fawn over. Would Brad Pitt (in his 40s) be permitted a 13 year old girlfriend cuz he’s a hottie? I think not. We see this guy looking like a Tiger Beat pinup and somehow we think the girls want to have sex with him. That’s a misperception. They don’t.

I have never ever met a 13 year old girl who wants sex. 14 or 15 either. They often say “Ew, I am never doing that. I’ll hire a surrogate someday.” They just can’t image wanting it. That is a male fantasy about nubile girls. What they do very much want is a boyfriend, a cute guy just like they see on TV. They want love texts, flowers, to be the girl with the hottie, and for the guy to think they’re valuable, a.k.a. sexy here in America.

A girl can be talked into sex to please and keep a boyfriend, easy. Sex itself is meaningless at best, usually scary and undesirable. So get over that nyphette idea. It’s pure fantasy. College woman know, females can be with a guy and say no to sex. Sadly little girls do not know this, are told sex is obligatory, especially for little lolitas like them.

Wait, I take that back, there are nymphettes, girl who were taught far too young exactly what men want. They’re the 12 and 13 year olds who give sexual attention way beyond their years. I’ve seen an 11 year old act nearly like a lap dancer. These are damaged children who actually are many years behind their peers in experiencing genuine sexual desire.

If anything, in flirting, these disturbed girls are often asking to be shown that not all men are pigs. They are asking to be shown men’s limits. That’s why we have to nail men to the wall who take advantage of this damage, this vulnerability.

Just because a kid is all giggles over a cute guy in no way means she has anything in mind but kiddie dreams. This is an incredibly vulnerable age.

Kids don’t want sex, they want attention. Kids are entitled to flirt, tease, experiment with provocation of one sort or another. In fact they need ot on many levels. Even though this is something the silly chicklettes do, we don’t let the middles school become meat markets.

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March 8, 2008

Dan

Statutory rape is rape. Intercourse with a child is called “rape.” When an adult has sex with a child, there doesn’t need to be physical force and violence for it to be called “rape.” Because kids are so vulnerable to the manipulations of adults, because the adult’s power is greater the adult “overpowers” the kid that way. It is considered to be the same as an adult man overpowering another adult.

I don’t believe there are any accusations of physical force. Children can’t consent. That’s a pedophile’s twisted argument, because children of any age almost never say no to an adult.

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March 9, 2008

kim

Dan get a life. sure seems you know alot about what a young girl should do. you have alot of shit to say but you must not have belive in innocent until proven guilty.you have him guilty and everyone who knows him know this is not the case. let me tell you one thing the charges there tying to get to stick was when he was a juvinile 17 years old .you dont know the facts and yet you keep running at the mouth.your the one with the most blogs here. my brother is being treated unfair and people like you who like I have said DONT KNOW THE FACTS.girls lie about there age look at there my space pages there real goodie goodies arent they.they post wrong ages so they can have a myspace page ,post provocative pictures of them selfs.and its not there falt to .hello dude get a grip this is how it is. if you dont think so oh well you must be in the closet or something when that stuff is on the news.why arent there parents monitoring there myspace and make sure the daughters arent lieing about there age and putting damn ner nude pictures of the selfs on the internet where is there punishment for that? thats right there the victim…………..NOT

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March 9, 2008

Laurie

Great blog. I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. I was molested by my neighbor, at the age of 6 to 7. He was 15 to 16. I am now in my 50’s – so things are a little different now. I have lived to tell.

Let me tell you some of how it was/is from my perspective and the impact. A least a little anyway –

When a child is touched – a girl- your vagina, your clitoris, your whole body, even tho’ it makes you feel ‘icky’ as Dan puts it, it also gives you what seems to be a ‘magical’ power. You get attention. It makes you feel good, in a bad way. There is a tingling in your stomach, your legs get shaky…you see what it does to the other person, that it makes them happy. They come looking for you to spend time with you – you are truly a special person. THAT IS THE BEGINNING.

Then they leave you and no longer provide that attention. Many times, a child introduced to sex will continue on to seek it all the time. It does then become their fault, because of their behavior. BUT THEY WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IN THE FIRST PLACE. Seeking out sex causes a host of issues – for men and women. For me, I was pregnant by the age of 15. I put myself in dangerous situations because of my need to seek out relationships that were unhealthy, because they were initially based on sexual need. Eating disorders, post traumatic stress, relationships that are in various stages of shambles throughout life, all of these can be by products of sexual abuse to a child.

Post traumatic stress develops because you put yourself in an abusive relationship with a partner, out of the skewed vision you have of what relationships are supposed to be.

You convince yourself you are going to lose your life, as you sit tied up in a chair, held hostage. You are dragged out of bed by your hair in the middle of the night, because your husband is drunk. You learn to medicate your self with drugs and alcohol.

Over time you learn that you don’t lose your life, you try to figure out what the hell your life is. You figure out that you were not put here to engage and please men with your body, while at the same time diminishing all of who you are and what you need as a person. You deserve better than to allow yourself to be treated as ‘those’ types of people see you.

Isn’t that what we women are taught to do? Or, at least were when I grew up, that ee are on this earth to take care of men and children. Be a sexy bitch, serve me dinner, and don’t talk, or at least don’t talk back.

I have had broken bones, and carry many hidden scars. There are many healed wounds.

Sure these girls are responsible – and their parents. They are responsible because they did not know the consequences. The long term impacts. Their families may require additional support. Maybe some of these girls are sexualized children, and need long term counseling. I was one of them.

According to the law, because kids do not have a total understanding of impacts of early sexual behavior, It is rape.

A child feels that Because older ‘people’ are stronger, and can over power you, or threaten you, or take their attention away, they have no power and have to accept what is happening – you will do anything to accommadate them. At least for the short term – Just to get through what is happening. Because there is usually a ‘good’ payoff. Sometimes, it is that you are still alive.

There is fault and blame all over the place. We as a society promote unhealthy sexuality. What we refuse to discuss or teach becomes an elephant in our homes.

Rape was not even Rape until the 1970’s – so we are making progress. Can you imagine??? Rape was not a crime before the 70’s?????

Does this make this guy an offender for life – probably.

He must have learned over the years that this was what defined him. He must have been abused or been introduced to sex at an early age as well. I am not saying this to excuse or sympathize with him, but to learn how the hell to stop producing more sex offenders. We need to get to young kids who are behaving in sexualized ways, and help them.

Good for you Victoria for speaking out and being strong. And all the other girls as well –

And, we need to think about how this guy got to this point. Sometimes offenders feel so bad because they know what they are doing is wrong, that they will be ‘super’ nice guys, and learn how to present themselves to people. They are repeating behavior that they have learned. Over time they don’t care anymore and that becomes who they are.

The comments about the young girls going around and doing this to guys, and then only the guys get in trouble has a very good point. Girls and boys, young women and men, all need to have an understanding of sexual behaviors.

Kids do behave as they know life.

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March 9, 2008

Dan

Kim, I hear you. Young girls are usually pretty nuts. They do all sorts of crazy things at that confused, hormonal time with all sorts of Girlz Gone Wild propaganda informing their actions. That’s why parents have to be vigilant and men need to steer clear.

I’m not commenting on your brother’s guilt, only age-appropriate actions.

I’ve some across predators on this site. They are a hard bunch to connect with. I like to get the facts out.

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March 9, 2008

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Kim, we all know your brother. We aren’t going by what the news says. Everyone on here except a select few, Dan and that older lady. Know your brother and have had personal experiences with him. When I told Aaron no, it took him a while to understand that no meant no. And after literally forcing his hands away and pushing him off of me, he finally got it. And he and I still hung out up until he was arrested. After that one night, in his room, we never had an issue like that again. It took a second for him to understand the ‘No’ but he got it.

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March 9, 2008

Dan

Laurie,
you and I should probably tussle privately about what young men do and do not know, but I don’t know how to do that. Techno ignoramous.

You sound like a very positive person, very generous about people’s intentions, desire a balanced perspective. I think you’re wrong when your approach comes to young men in this situation. I believe you are misguidedly generous. They know full well what they’re doing. It is a hot topic.

We’ve been talking about choosing to abandon empathy. Desensitization. Guys know, they feel their conscience nibbling at the back of their minds as they work to score, especially when it is someone young. There’s a whole culture around getting young girls, scoring with them and not getting caught. Age of consent and exactly who constitutes a superior are topics of discussion for kids.

I’ve got a 24 year old man trying to hush up seeing a 17 year old because his role makes it somewhat inappropriate. Young people are very conscious of this stuff.

Just as someone chooses to push through conscience pangs when committing crimes of violence, push though conscience as the acts become bigger and bigger, guys push through those pangs to prey on easy, vulnerable targets. Who wants the work of negotiating with a 21 year old woman who is savvy, has self respect, knows her worth, can set limits, is an intellectual equal, when it’s so easy to get a malleable wahini in the sack?

Guys do know better. I can tell you dozens of things that are eye openers for them, but not this one. They know better.

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March 9, 2008

Laurie

Dan – I agree with you to a certain point. Guys do know what they are doing – at least by this age -but may not think of it in the terms it needs to be thought of in….does that make sense?

Or, they may have had something bad happen to them when they were young, and figure that since the person who did it to them did not get ‘caught’, they will not get caught.

There are no clear definitions set for either the males or females as to what is and is not acceptable and why it is or is not.

In this case, this 21 year old sought young girls out, and had many victims. I doubt very much if he just decided at a certain age to start doing this. Maybe there is a whole sub culture today, that thinks it is cool to fuck a virgin, so therefore they go after young girls, but we have allowed this to happen.

First, by allowing him the means, and secondly, by providing the victim.

You don’t think that there is something wrong in this young man’s life, that he is compelled to engage in this type of behavior? I think there is something wrong. Sure, every family member is nice, but what happens behind the closed doors? Did something happen, or is the upbringing lacking in some way, so that he gradually chose to use his energy this way?

Was he taught to respect women, or view them as sexual objects? Were the young girls taught that guys will ‘go after’ them for sex, and what can happen?

He hides it well from his friends, co-workers, whatever the case may be, at least from what I have read here.

That counter culture better wake up before they all find themselves in jail, and destroy many families in the process.

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March 10, 2008

Tiffany

kim im so glad to see you on here. i felt as i was getting bombarded by all this none sense. i know what i believe and i dont need anyone to tell me different. we love you guys and if you need anything we are always here. kylee will always love aaron and will be by his side no matter what. And your nephew loves him also soooo much.

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March 10, 2008

R

Dan are you a Psychiatrist or counselor of some sort?
If not what are you ?
just curious..

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March 10, 2008

kim

Tiffany thank you thank you thank you.I thought i was going to get the same.Family ,true friends and love will get us threw this.when I saw tiffany i hope you know thati wasnt trying to be rude it scared me becuase i thought someone was using my sisers name. then it dawned on me who you are i was trying to protect everyone by not using names. I am sickened by some remarks but everyone is entitled to there own opions.as long as we stand together we will over come this slander on our nephews dad. we know aaron and thats all that matters i would love to see you guys really really soon,my mom would love to as well. I will not let what people say here affect me dont you let it either.I have just been seeing what kind of crap people have said if ky needs any thing I mean anything at all I will get let me know.my family is doing everything they can for aaron and this will all be sorted out. hes inoccent and I know that and many many other people think that to.im glad my brother has you guys he needs us all right now to .i wish we could talk some where else so it can be a little more private.please hug and kiss p for me and we will talk very soon.

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March 10, 2008

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Oprah*

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March 10, 2008

D

Tiffany, Kim Stay off the blogs, you are only proving points, the fact that Aaron fucks minors. Kylee was what 18 (still is I bet) She had Peyton over the summer. Brilliant minds do that math. Baby’s take 3/4 a year to grow. Making Kylee 17 and Aaron 20 when she got pregnant. He may not of forced those girls, but he was still FUCKING MINORS. Which is by all means against the law. FYI Aaron and I were fucking before she got pregnant and after.

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March 11, 2008

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Maybe you two should go on Opera, she might have sympathy for you. “I love Aaron no matter how many girls he has sex with, he will always be true to me” She might like the high ratings from that. The only one I feel bad for in this situation is Peyton. That kid isnt going to see Aaron for a long time.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

There’s huge difference between 17 and 13. A 17 year old is capable of consent with a peer, is able to deal with her own bad decisions

13 is a preying on a child. Baby breasts do not a woman make. And it doesn’t make her free game.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

Laurie,
We see all sorts of criminal behavior and it all has a source. I would love to take boyfriend/ girlfriend parentkillers and discover every little influence that wired them. I bet you anything that girl’s mom did not know how to listen, really listen. That makes teens feel very alone, making their boyfriends powerful in their lives. So are we going to cut her slack of any sort because mom didn’t listen? We cannot.

Lots of kids grow up with bad behavior glorified by their parents. Theft is a common one. Dad might talk about the glories of theft all day, but junior knows from plenty of sources that it’s a crime. All kids know theft, like preying on children under 16, is illegal. They choose.

There are reasons people become who they are. Tiny choices all along. They might get bad messages, and of course those messages are at the crux of healing society, but preying on children cannot have mitigating circumstances once the choice is made.

Sexually abused boys approach preying differently. They have conscience but are compelled by sex drive. A sexually abused boy who is attracted to children has probably been damaged enough to develop pedophilia. Most pedophiles do not act. Pedophilia is a disorder, not a crime. Pedophiles with empathy intact know better than anyone else that it hurts children and they don’t want to hurt children. They sweat with the effort of choosing goodness every day of their lives.

A boy cannot choose about being a victim, but he can choose not to make more victims.

As you’ve pointed out, predators (sex offenders)needn’t even be pedophiles to assault a child. They like power and damaging people, so take the opportunities that present themselves. It doesn’t sound to me like Aaron is a pedophile, shaped in his own horror. He started on girls his age, then progressed to younger girls. Younger girls hold a particular delight for predators because they are just so childish. It’s much harder to make women your possession. Young girls are so easy to do that with.

Of course it’s his culture. It’s a mess! Internet porn glorifying girls, girls encouraged to act outrageously for boys to find them valuable, men bidding for a virgin online, the vile language around females and sex. It shapes boys’ sexuality, all of them. It’s almost funny to talk to the college men and see their forelorn faces when they realize sex is NOTHING like porn!

Look at the killers of parents or rivals. I don’t believe there’s anything organically wrong with them, that they were subjected to violence as children enoguh to learn it was acceptible. I bet you it went like this: violence everywhere, funny in cartoons as a little kid, violent movies, holocaust taught in elementary school (way too young), horrors that numb the mind up bit by bit. Every kid get’s that stuff. Watch the cartoon channel at 10 PM and “Saw.” An adult just can’t get it till they have. So most kids just get desensitized, lose empathy, and society becomes more disconnected. The tiny choice they make is to numb up to watch and laugh with their friends. A few choose not to watch or even speak out against. And a few decide they like the identity of edgy, bad, violent kids. Badass. They celebrate violence and willingly give up their empathy.

This is what blossoming predators do too. They sacrifice empathy because empathy would prevent them from cultivating their dirty pleasures. They know full well they are foul. You know a child when you talk to one. It’s a progression thing. Such power into playing a 17 year old. What about a 15 year old? 13? Imagine what 11 would feel like. They are perfectly clueless and vulnerable.

This is not about not being taught respect for women. No one gets that, not really. Parents don’t know how to instill it and culture just makes parents who do look like clue-free wonders.

I had a 20 year old asking me how to make his hook-up his girlfriend. Seriously. Kid culture has it ass backwards, but good kids and young adults do not pursue the thrill and power of hurting others. They choose to fight selfish, hurtful impulses rather than cultivate them.

I have an 18 year old who had a perfectly foul childhood. High order misogyny his whole life. I work with him to regulate his reaction to his friends using “bitch.” He almost got in a fist fight over it. A freind was talking playa smack and this kid grabbed his and held him against the wall, proposed he “do those things to you, how would you like it, well that’s how much women like it.”

The world is full of ugly messages, ugly treatment. It also has love and beauty. Kids choose what to make themselves.

Punishing criminals is one thing we do to make sure kids and everyone knows what societal values are. Very blunt tool, but it’s what we have.

These are not nice young men who have the wrong idea about right and wrong. They are predators. It’s not just the strong cultural prohibition/dark pleasure about preying on kids. It’s deeper, a conscience prickle. Having sex with a 13 year old pricks the conscience of anyone but a sociopath. 13 year olds are just so childish and vulnerable, silly at times, overly emotional, it informs predators they are preying. Taboo tells them. Their dying empathy informs them.

Fortunately empathy can be reawakened at this stage with skilled counseling. I hope he gets it, because at this point, peers are unlikely to do it for him.

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March 11, 2008

observer

Dan,
Your comments about little girls not wanting sex and saying ewwww when the word sex is mentioned is very wrong.You seem to know so much, YOu have commented more than anyone here.Which by the way,seems so obsessive to me. But you really don’t know anything if what you have stated about little girls not wanting sex is true.I am not really here to comment on what AAron has or hasn’t done,I don’t have all of the facts so I will wait until all of the facts are brought out to comment on What AAron has or hasn’t done. I am fully against a grown man having sex with little girls. I think it is sick and wrong. But first of all,there is a big differance between a 13 year old girl and a 17 year old girl like the mother of AArons baby. Her being 17 and him 20 is not a horrible thought to me. She knew what she was doing.
Back to the girls these days. I have a son. When he was still in elementary,6th grade,there were some little girls at his school,I had a bad feeling about them,so me,being a concerned parent,decided to listen in on one of his phone conversations one night.These so called little girls were telling my son that they wanted to use him as a pole so that they could climb him and dance on him.They also wanted to lick him like a lolly pop.You can imagine how shocked i was when they asked my son which of them he would perfer to have sex with. needless to say,I ended the conversation right there,and did indeed talk to those girls parents the very next day. The parents were equally shocked since they come from such a religous background.The mom and dad are both present in the home,they have a really normal loving family.How could their girls be talking like this.
Welcome to America,where have you been Dan,times have changed,Alot!!girls are no longer saying ewwwww to boys,the boys no longer have cooties.
Where does it come from??? T.v. hollywood,the internet.
I can’t even let my little girls watch fox 13 anymore because the programming is so vulgar. take the family guy. Oh my god. I can’t even believe they put this stuff on for families to sit down and watch together. Our kids are being desensitised to sexual content. Little girls are learning very fast that sex is not a big deal.Little boys are learning the same. All kids are doing it these days.
And for Laurie,i feel really bad about what happened to you as a child but this isn’t like what happened to you. This is a 17, Now 20,” but I think some of these charges are from when he was 17″ year old man who is just doing like his peers and having lots of sex. All of you who are posting judgment on him,can you actually say that you have made every girl that you had sex with show you their Id. and can you say that you have not had sex with a girl you hardly know. Can you actually say that you have always been really cautious with whom you have had sex!!!
Even if you try to say that you have, I wont believe it,because its just not how things work anymore. Sex is just sex these days. no young person even knows what it means to make love anymore.And it is not because they have all been sexually taken advantage of.
Back in my day,if you had sex with too many guys you were considered a slut. You never wanted to brag about having sex because you didn’t want that name for yourself.These days,girls wear bracelets in school to show the number of guys they have been with. The more you score,the cooler you are.Its a game now,sex is a game to kids. I believe that AARon was just playing the game. I am not saying that he shouldn’t pay for what he did,I am just saying that none of you,not me,not you,know the facts well enough to judge him.And all of you have got to stop treating these girls like victims here. Now,if the facts come out and it ends up that AAron had sex with a girl without her conscent then I say he should be put away for a very long time,and his thing should be removed,I have little girls, If anything like that ever happened to one of them I would want to see the pervert fry in hell.
But if all he was doing is having sex like everyone else these days then I don’t believe that they should call him a rapest. expecially for having sex with a 17 year old girl when he is only 20.
These girls also need to be punished somehow. If I were the parents of any of these girls these days I would lock them up myself. I find it hard to believe that these girls with their myspace accounts and their half naked bodies and sexual behavior are doing this right in their own homes with their parents. don’t these parents check up on their little girls. I find the parents just as at fault for what is happening. I promise you my girls will not be having pics of themselves half naked on the internet or anywhere else for that matter. I will always do everything in my power to make sure that my children know the differance between sex and making love. Other parents need to do the same.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

Observer, my lengthy entry was for Laurie. The brief one before it was for general consumption and stated that 17 and 20 is fine and fair.

We are all fooled by media and wishful thinking that young girls want sex. They don’t. They want love and attention, approval. They are acting as they were taught. Later, they are hurt, have problems, feel devalued. I have talked to maybe 200 girls to learn this. (300 maybe?) Plus tons of reading. 13 year olds want flirting, sexy attention, a boyfriend, to be cool and grown. It’s a precurser to genuine desire. And yes, just touching a 13 year old always produces an “ew” response. The only except is a peer of long-acquaintance.

You called it. I’m totally obsessed. I’m calling this time research. In addition to figuring out how adults make this climate, I’ve gotten to talk to pedophiles. I’ve only had access to a few of those in real life.

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March 11, 2008

observer

Dan,
still don’t agree with you about little girls these days,but not going to spend all of my free time arguing the issue with you.You have your opinion,and I have mine. I know I am not alone here.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

My words here are not opinion. They are expert. It is the current therapeutic understanding. Girls try on behavior just as they tried womanly behavior with babie dolls. Just because a girl flashes some thigh or cleavage doesn’t mean she wants a man to fuck her. In fact, the current understanding is that she wants him to reject her, showing her the loving nature of men. In this new area, they are testing limitations, just like a baby does when he or she first gets to his or her feet.

Men who believe 13 year old children want sex are often inclined to cultivate that for their fantasy life. It’s a myth from a male dominant culture.

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March 11, 2008

kim

D… Im sorry if you cant handle that people are sticking up for him. I think I know who you are so let me tell you one thing go to hell.I will say how I feel on here just like you. you dont have to get so up set im not here to listen to people who dont know the facts and I have to keep saying this my brother is innocent until proven guilty and I will stand be hind him all the way. the games girls play these days are cruel and unjust. I sit here and read this a I am amazed at how much people really dont know about this. if me and tiffany want to blog here guess what we can we are not doing any thing but standing up for him because we can and we belive he is innocent.Im sorry you dont like that.and as for my nephew that my dear is frankly none of your business.kylee is standing by him to .we can do that.

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March 11, 2008

observer

so,dan,
what kind of expert are you. where is your degree.Thats all I am sayin

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March 11, 2008

Tiffany

d…………….
wow you sure are big girl using the word fuck. you must be over 18. also maybe you shouldn’t admit to everybody how big of a slut you are!!
who cares if you had sex with aaron before and after my sister. once again your cool! obviously you need to keep your legs closed. its girls like you that make up things and put boys in jail for something that is your problem. maybe you should stop bragging about it. because of your one of the girls prosecuting him this will be great for his case seeing you obviously think its funny.

everyone peyton is none of your concern he is in the best care and always has been. how old kylee is also none of your concern we have the most beautiful thing in the whole world because of it sooooo shut your mouths or ill turn you in for slander! its absolutely ruducilous of how less you people know of whats really going on…..
Sooooo lets not be stupid here…… obvioulsy your parents didnt pay much attention to how old the boys you were dating were… thats not aarons fault!!!!!!!

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March 11, 2008

K

Hey D…
Go fuck off! Everyone of you that are concerned about peyton and his mother AKA Me can all shut up. Keep your mouths closed about my son!!!! I swear I will prosectue all of you for slander if you dont stop talkin about it. Ya i was 17 you stupid bitch But that means nothing i had sex with aaron YAY! You can do the math wow your smart. Maybe you should close your legs and quit bragging about having sex with him BEFORE and AFTER i got pregnant personally i dont give a shit. Im not with aaron any more.
But i guess you didnt know any better (poor me poor me)
Honestly i trust aaron with my life and yes he might have slept with minors but dont forget you had sex with him too! Its sad your parents arent there for you enough so you have to go sleep with older guys to get there attention.

And for Peyton he is the best thing that ever happened to me in my life so keep your mouths closed and next time Me or him come up dont be shocked when you have a letter in the mail asking for you to be in court!!

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March 11, 2008

Dan

Observer, That’s all you’re saying? no, you’re saying kids want sex. That’s what the pro pedophilia groups say too because it serves their agenda. The reality is, just as there are developmental stages for everything in a child’s life, there are stages of sexual desire. 13 ain’t even close.

Why ever would I list my qualifications? What would be the point on a blog where one may say nearly anything? If my words ring true, you know. If not, you have to examine your personal agendas.

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March 11, 2008

observer

dan,your livin in a closet buddy. YOu don’t know a thing about teenage girls or at what age they are thinking of sex. I am a girl,and have had many of friends think and act in a sexual way before the age of 13 and this was back 15 years ago. Now days,its even worse than back when I was in school. I don’t know where you get your info but You need to find a new source because you clearly have been mislead.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

Sexual thought are not the same as wanting to fuck a grown man. Girls are entitled to sexual feelings and actions, they are not to be preyed on by grown men at that vulnerable age.

Sure, lots of badass chicklettes I work with do stupid things that hurt them, swear up and down to me they love it. Like blowing three classmates in one day behind an equipment shed. Then, when the guys talk, when they catch something, when they get pregnant, when no one wants to be their boyfriend, or whatever, they cry and cry for how they compromised themselves.

Girls are entitled to explore their new sexuality without men or porn or MTV interpretting their feelings for them.

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March 11, 2008

observer

I think that you are getting me wrong here. You keep saying that it doesn’t give a grown man a right to prey on them as if I think that it does. As if I think that rape is ok. No one is saying that here dan. I am merely saying that girls are not innocent in their thinking,and that they do want sex at a young age. I am not saying that its right for a man to take it from them. You said in a earlier comment that 13 year old girls think eww when they think of sex.I was just saying that its not true. girls are enjoying sex at a young age these days. I am not saying its right. And I sertainly don’t agree with rape. I also don’t think that AAron raped anyone!!!

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March 11, 2008

Dan

You’re saying younger than 13. Actually, maybe we are not that far apart. You are making the pedohile arguement precisely.

This is what predators do to groom kids, what pedophile say to lower the age of consent. “Kids have sexual feelings. Ahah! See! fuck them!”

What a predator does in a vulnerable, inexperienced kid who doesn’t yet know him or herself yet is interpret his or her feeling, play up their natural feelings. That is precisely why children are so damaged by sexual abuse, why they don’t tell and never ever scream. They think they liked it because a bequiling adult tells them they do. Then they feel slimy if they liked parts of it (approval, friendship, attention, even the touches in a way.)

That is the very heart of why sex with children is incredibly wrong and damaging. In a way, the child vicitimzes him or herself.

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March 11, 2008

observer

I now see how these discussions can get obsessive. this is a very touchy subject.the only differance here between you and I dan,is that I know AAron and you don’t. Someone in here said that Kim and Tiffany should stay out of this blog.I think they have more of a right to speak out about aaron than any of you who do not know him and who are you to tell someone that loves him to not defend him,when you,who either don’t know him,or barely know him, are here to condemn him.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

I’ve had this arguement with the pedophiles who support relabeling pedophilia as an orientation. I’ve never met a little girl who wanted actual intercourse with a man. They’ve wanted all sorts of things, some sexual. But those who do it pay in the end for the damages it causes them.

They have thoughts and fantasies. They may dream of doing it with Brad Pitt every night. They may think they really want Brad Pitt to come do them. It’s a safe dream they may explore in fantasy. But when a girl is coaxed into acting by a man, it’s a rude awakening. The pain is nearly intolerable even to an observer. It devalues them at an essential level. It’s a mistake they should never have a chance to make., no matter how good the initial attention and desireability made them feel.

I too have seen 11 year olds doing their best to get a man to have sex with them. Statistics show us these girls were abused at a younger age.

Aaron did rape her because 13 is an age that cannot consent. It is the definition of rape.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

That is the pedophile’s argument and it is based on a long cutlure of men shaping societal ideas so they can score with nubile, virginal girls they can be in a superior position over. If a girl truly wants sex, why should she not have it? Because she doesn’t truly want sex, she likes the idea of sex. Major difference. She should have the time to indulge in ideas.

A girl may dream of doing Brad pitt every night. There is safety in fantasy to explore desire.

I have seen the wreckage of girls being told by external sources that yes, you like his ass, he has pretty eyes, that means you’re a woman, have sex. They push through their natural aversion and pay later.

He did rape her because sex with a child of 13 is, by definition, rape.

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March 11, 2008

kim

k… please sign in to your myspace. I think that bitch had not say one more word about him either . he has no part in this what so ever .

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March 11, 2008

R

Dan , It sounds as though you have done or in the progress of doing quite a bit of research on the subject. When talking to these girls you have received information from I suppose at any time you didnt consider that most kids boys and girls dont and wont tell the truth when it comes to sexuality. At our home kids come over to play that are 12.13 14 15 years old girls and I overhear conversations that would freak parents out..but yet when asked about it….entire conversations are changed, they say they would have never said those words etc. Kids that are involved with activities that as parents we DONOT want them involved in arent all abused beaten and have had terrible homes .. These are normal everyday kids. but society has made these conversations and actions an everyday activity. I am still holding out any judgement on this case , I agree with observer on many of their comments.

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March 11, 2008

observer

Thank you R!!! I knew that there would be someone in here that had to agree with me on this. See,I,like you,have actually over heard conversations that these little girls are having about sex. I have also had friends when I was in junior high school that had even experimented with differant kinds of sexual positions and toys at the young age of 12 and 13. And not all of them had been sexually abused or from broken families.And this was 15 years ago. Today,girls are actually having sex and enjoying it at a much earlier age.I am not saying its right,it scares the hell out of me if you want to know the truth,because I have little girls. But it is the fact.
I agree with R. Dan,are these girls your talking to really telling you the truth. It sounds like you are a counselor or something and these girls are not going to tell you that they really do have and enjoy having sex. But have some children of your own and then listen up on a conversation when they don’t know your there then you will hear what they really think.

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March 11, 2008

Dan

I’ve got to tell you, you’ve been taken in. I talk to college kids who tell me what was going on with them just a few years ago. There a lot of posing edgy rad badass behavior, I’m so very cool posturing. Girls Gone Wild and I’m such a big girl and I love giving a guy head. It’s such fake crap. Adults cannot stand to acknowledge how much lying kids do. And adults see kids acting sexy and talking like a grown up and they cannot tell these kids are posing, trying on roles, being bigshots. I’ve seen those girls, heard them with each other. They lie to each other, pose, practice their facade, and break down in safety. Pressure on kids is immense.

This myth of 12 year olds want ing sex is exactly the arguemnt the pedophile groups are using to try to lower the age of consent to 12. A kid should not be punished like that because she is acting brassy.

A straight 10 year old boy can be made to “want” and “consent” to sex with a grown man. Wiring in a kids head makes them vulnerable to others telling them what their feelings mean. And it fucks them up plenty as they grow up.

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March 12, 2008

Laurie

Young girls do not want sex if given an honest choice.

When a child is molested or sexually abused or raped because they cannot give consent because they are too young, they are introduced to sex much much too soon, and they do not know what they are doing – they are filled with intense feelings that they do not know how to process.

Didn’t any of you get anything out of what I said earlier??

Our society is so focused on sex in totally inappropriate manners, that young girls THINK they want sex, and if they are abused, it is even more of a powerful influence. Yes – it does feel good, and the circumstances of encounters with an older person are filled with ambiguous messages that make them think they want sex when what they really want is someone to love them, and give them attention.

TV, Videos, magazines, music….all is focused on sex and selling products. That is what the advertisers are counting on – us buying a product because it is portrayed as making us sexy and desirable. No matter how young we are…..

If these girls had positive good influences in their lives, they would not choose sex.

Believe me when I say that introducing children to sex is wrong, causes irreparable damage, and destroys families. I KNOW. I WAS A VICTIM. I AM NOW A SURVIVOR.

As for the offender in this case, I still say, something is wrong in that family picture if this young man is doing this to young girls.

He is not innocent. He is a predator. And, it must have started somewhere. And, this pattern will be repeated again and again, especially if he does not admit what he has done and get treatment.

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March 12, 2008

R

If these girls had positive good influences in their lives, they would not choose sex. Laurie..

Laurie,
I understand that you are a survivor of abuse and believe me I feel for you but please dont tell me you blame positive influences on why these girls chose to have sex…Some of them yes, as it sounds like your influences were not the best,But many of these girls had great families, influences, religions and they still chose to have sex. Lets forget the age difference. Through my research I believe that some kids will choose to do right or wrong according to society no matter what or who they have been brought up around. Many people have been surrounded with horrible situations and incredibly awfull family values but they recognize this and grow up to be outstanding citizens, and of course the opposite is true as well. For instance i have very strong alcoholic tendancies in my family history and i recognized this as a child so i knew that if i got involved heavily with drugs, alcohol etc. that i could end up with serious problems. This comment is only to unvalidate your comment at the beginning of my blog that you had written in yours.

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March 12, 2008

R

Dan,
you comment that you speak to college girls and they tell you all the fake out behaviours that they involved themselves in and what they saw around them with other girls. Im assuming that most of them regret this time of their lives because of some of the choices they made.
Was this a random group or a group made up of survivors of rape.

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March 12, 2008

R

D…..
you rather repulse me..by your comment.
It sounds like you need to get a life rather than
trying to hurt others by your “I had him before and after “..Who really cares Except maybe you.
Im sure that Kylee has moved on with her life and creating the best for their son. Being supportive as im sure you all would be under any circumstances for someone involved in your lives.

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March 12, 2008

observer

Dan,
YOu and I are talking about two of the same yet different stuff here.The difference is that your bringing the phycologic point of view into the discussion. I am just stating the facts that girls at he age of 13 and below are having sex and that these girls do not all come from messed up backgrounds. I first commented here because of your comment that stated that 13 year old girls do not like sex. I don’t care what phyco bull shitt you post,it doesn’t change the fact that both boys and girls are having sex at a very young age today and it doesn’t matter what kind of parental influencing they have.
Laurie,
You have no right to say that there has to be something wrong with AArons family due to the fact that you don’t know them.I, however,do know them and have for many many years and AAron has a great family.AAron is a great kid.you have no right to say different because you don’t know him or his family. And no body knows what happened with aaron and those girls except for AAron and those girls so how can you judge him until you know all of the facts.
I for one have just learned from this case that the news and media do tend to blow things way out of proportion. I know from this case that i will no longer believe everything that the media says. I feel that this is a great lesson for all of us to learn.

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March 12, 2008

Laurie

Observer you are absolutely correct. Thanks – I get caught up in the lust for blood as well as the next person.

I know exactly what you mean with the headlines in the papers, and what the media will report on and what they won’t from my own personal experiences in trying to get a story out – the true and right story from my perspective.

I myself know a young man that is 21 and will be serving 7 years in prison for raping a 14 year old. That was a complicated situation – he was not trolling for girls on the internet.

From the sound of the charges, it sounded like Aaron was doing just that – it is too bad that we seem to be on a witch hunt in some of these cases, it makes it more difficult to keep a clear head about what to do as a parent, and also makes it hard to distinguish between what a true sex offender does and does not do. Young men and boys that commit a sexual offense are not always a repeat sex offender or pedophile.

And R…. if kids or teenagers have free time on their hands, and their parents do not know what they are doing, that is a problem. That is what I am talking about – some how some way, something wrong is happening, if we are truly against this type of ‘thing’ happening. I know all kids do somethings sometimes, but we need to follow up on details, eavesdrop, do bedroom and car searches if we have to. Whatever. We will never have perfection, but at least we need to be warned. And that goes for both sides, because sometimes young men are getting the raw deal.

That is one of the reason I have started writing on blogs – because I am a survivor and want people to know what we are up against with these types of crimes. I am trying to educate.

Unfortunately today, it seems we have to know everything as a parent and be ever vigilant. It is not easy. I realize there are many victims in this situation, the families especially. Nothing is ever the same.

Parents need to know this before their kids become teenagers, for certain. That is what’s so frustrating…in many cases, parents don’t see what’s going on until its to late.

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March 13, 2008

kim

laurie i have read your blogs and you know nothing about my family or my brother for that matter.he was not on the hunt my family isnt messed up. im sorry you had a ruff life but you can not say someone had a messed up life if you dont know that person or what there family was like. my up bringing was great my childhood wasnt messed up neither were my parents we had evey thing we needed we didnt have alot of money but we had a good life. as with any family we have had some deaths one of which was my sister that was killed by someone else . we were brought up with good morals and values. we were tought to respect each other and treat others the way you want to be treated. my brother was tought to respect woman. this whole thing has been over blowen and nobody here knows what is happening ,I do and you all have gone off the deep end with the comments. Have any of you gone to court to hear whats going on .I dont think so.my family will have the last say and you all are way off………….

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March 13, 2008

friend

i knew aaron since i was in elementary, he was like a brother to me and not once did he ever hurt me or anyone else and he even dated my sister, come on now. D your just upset cause he dumped your sorry ass.

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March 13, 2008

Victoria

To Kim, K, and Tiffany:
The three of you seem to be sending the same message over and over with different words, about how we dont have the facts so not to judge. Innicent intill proven guilty right? Well why dont you give us some facts so we can have a clue (sence you think we dont). Why dont you stand up for Aaron with facts? No I have not been to court to see whats going on… Why dont you tell us about it.
I seem to be confused about all this… How you all support him… but no facts have been presented… Thats great, but for the rest of us lookin in from the outside we are stating our opinion.

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March 14, 2008

observer

Everyone is going to have opinions here. The outsiders,the people that love AAron,the people that hardly know AAron. That is what a blog is for. I have to say that for myself,I have always been quick to judge a sexual offender. I think that any man who hurts a woman or little girl in that mannor should fry in hell. I think that there is no room for them in this world. I think they are sick.
I am just taking a wild guess here when speaking for Kim, K ,and Tiffany. I know Kim.I do not know the other two girls, but I am sure that they feel the same about any man that would hurt another person in that way.
If I didn’t know AAron. If I didn’t know what kind of kid AAron was,I would be like all of you saying the same things you have been saying here in this blog about him.But I do know him and I do not think that he did what the news said he did.
See,You ,along with the media,are seeing AAron as going onto myspace,finding girls,getting to know them,meeting their families,gaining trust just to take the girls to his house and rape them.
Here is another way to look at this whole thing.Try to imagine what I am saying here ok.
AAron,like millions of other people surfing the web,came across myspace,found out that he could meet girls on the internet right here from utah. He met lots of girls,met their families because he was dating them.gained trust because he was a good kid to the parents of these girls thats why they let their daughters leave the house with him. He did have sex with many of them I am sure.I am not saying that its right. First of all,you don’t need to sleep around like that.I do not know how anyone can have sex freely with so many people today with all of the STDs going around but it is happening.AAron is like any hormonal guy out there and was acting like most guys do. Yeah,apparently a few of them werent of the age 18 when this took place,that again was wrong.So,they call that rape. But,these charges started when AAron was 17 years old. Do you understand,he wasn’t even an adult yet!!And like I have said before,these girl had to lie about they’re ages to even have a myspace account. You have to be 18 to have an account.And why did the mothers let there daughters go with AAron to begin with. You think that they would have said something about the age differance. How do we know that AARon really knew how old these girls were.
I believe there is a very big differance between taking sex violently from a person without there consent “raping them” and having sex with a minor. Two very different hings there!!! Now,I can see if the guy is 30 and the girl is 13. That is just wrong and there has to be something mentally wrong with that man. But AAron was 17 when these charges started.
As far as kim giving you details from the court room,and facts that you asked for,that would just be stuipd of her. That could hurt her brothers case.And its really a family matter,not to be discussed with the public.When it is all said and done,I am sure you will hear all about it.
And for D………..
AArons biggest mistake was ever messing around with girls like you. This is why he is in trouble now.Girls like you with very big mouths and no self respect.

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March 14, 2008

observer

I have just a few more things to say.
For Victoria,You say up above that This happened with AAron a few times,You had sex with him and wasn’t strong enough to say no!!! Soooo……How was AAron susposed to know that you didn’t want it if you didn’t say no.
And for ……. , YOu say that You told AAron no,and it took him a minute to actually stop and realize that no means no.Well,the fact is,he did stop,he didn’t rape you. He was prob really hot at that moment and it took a moment to actually stop but he did stop. What made you different,why did he not rape you? If he was a rapest he probably would not have stopped.
And for all the rest of you.
The media is saying that AAron took these girls home and raped them. Well,I know for a fact that there is always someone home at AArons house so why didn’t these girls ever yell for help. And why did they always come back to visit with AAron and his family.Why would they sit and have conversations with AArons family over and over again.That doesn’t make any sense to me. If I was raped by someone,I would never come back and I would have screamed loudly if someone was violating me and there was someone there that could stop it from happening.
Just doesn’t make sense to me…………….

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March 14, 2008

Nicole

Im so glad that aaron is finally where he belongs. He has done this to way to many people. He got me drunk one night when we were 18 and totally took advantage of me. Luckily I was able to get him to stop because we were in a house full of people. But had people not been only a room away Im scared to think what would have happend. Im so sorry for these girls. What a scary thing to have to go through at such a young age. But let me just say this Aaron Clow didnt need myspace to rape girls. He had done in many times before all by himself! Im so glad these girls were brave enough to come forward and put that creep behind bars.

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March 14, 2008

Laurie

Kim – I can understand how you feel, it is very painful for someone, and families, to go through this. It is a long road, and there is support now for families who have to deal with all the issues that come up when something like this happens.

Tell me, did your parents ever talk to you about sex, or your brother? Did you know what was appropriate and what wasn’t?

Were your computer privileges constant? Was it explained to you that there are sexual predators?

One issue that I find very frustrating, and wonder where it will end up ultimately, is that in today’s climate, with all the headlines, and hunting and tracking of sex offenders, sex as a part of videos, commercials, magazines, etc etc,,,, girls splashed all over the place in sexual positions, and barely any clothes, porno all over the internet…. all these mixed messages – I wonder if some kids are going to be confused and scared, and not know what is right and wrong. Scared to talk to anyone about some urges that may start out as normal and innocent, and somehow go too far – because they do not know how to handle the rush of hormones – hormones like a drug. They are handed this information now through computers on a platter. Computers bring all sorts of information – a lot of it ugly and inaccurate, and useless, right into our homes, by the flip of a switch. This is very very dangerous.

There are many possible repercussions from parents not talking to their kids and monitoring them. Teenagers need more follow up and hugs that toddlers do – at least you can see the toddler in front of you. Teenagers love to explore.

Did anyone ever tell you what healthy sexuality was, or what it means to be in a relationship?

In my mind, everyone’s family is messed up – some of us just do a better job of hiding it than others. Some of us have ‘habits’ or tendencies that hurt other people – again, some of the intention is is hurtful and some of the intention isn’t. I was not trying to insult you. America is filled with dysfunction.

My point being, that if we don’t explain to parents and kids what is right and wrong, things like this happen. Alot of parents out there today are clueless about what is going on. It does not do any good to have these types of headlines, but sex offenders are the latest group that we as a society have decided should be the target of our ire. Parents and people in general may get confused, because of the feelings of false security with the database, and surge to lock up all sex offenders.

What most people don’t realize is that according to the definitions we have today, a lot of offenders are living in our own homes. The headlines and the way they are presented, makes us think that it is someone who is a monster, when in many cases it could be our son or brother, or husband.

In some ways the attention it is good, because we are finally starting to recognize this as a problem – but we have gone too far in the other direction. Attention is bringing about more treatment programs, but we still have a long way to go.

This type of behavior is messed up, and it messes up other peoples lives as well. Very damaging. But, he did not do it alone –

Observer – I agree with you as well and have been saying all along, that we are ALL to blame for these types of situations – including the young girl. Where were her parents?

Unless the girls receive treatment, this behavior will continue and they will pass on this ‘knowledge’ to other guys and girls, and vice versa. They probably will have other issues as they grow, unless they get treatment.

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March 14, 2008

kim

victoria,if you want to know whats going on with court find out your self .why should I give any of you leaches any thing of what happened in court that is my business and my families,not yours.go to hell. yes I ,K,and Tiffany know whats going on because we are family .you just seem to have a promblem with not knowing whats going on with my brother. If you wanted to know you would find out your self. you think you have the facts too …NOT…LOL…I dont have to do a damn thing and you people are not worth it.My family has already read enough of these blogs to sit back at laugh at you all.

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March 17, 2008

observer

victoria,
how did this happen numerous times for you.What would take you to a rapest house more than once.why would you put yourself in that situation again and again. I don’t believe that he did anything harmful to you.

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March 17, 2008

Victoria

Well as all the news reposts say…. He was very manipulative. And at that time in my life I didn&rsquot own my power at all, I felt worthless. Basically it all started with phone calls hanging out and expensive gifts. He seemed to have gotten really attached to me almost over night. He said that he loved me after only a week. He made me feel like I was special but at the same time he was always on the phone with other girls, 3 weeks later he told me that he was going to be with one of the girls he was talking to… it was like over night. Over night he loves me…. gets what he wants… over night he leaves me in the dirt. I don&rsquot even call it rape what he did to me but it was wrong. I am accountable of my actions. And of course I said no… Every time, but he would just continue on. Like I said I couldn&rsquot own my power so I just let him. that&rsquos why I don&rsquot call it rape. But it was wrong, it was fake, and he used me and threw me away like a dirty rag doll. Observer your right he didn&rsquot do anything harmful to me because I had let him. Although he sure did abuse me mentally and emotionally. Honestly I feel I&rsquom over it. I have gone though a program that has basically assisted me in dealilng with my past. I have learned a lot sence then, I have grown up, I own my power and my voice now. Its wonderful. But as jess said… he is pushy. COMPLETLY. that&rsquos why it is wrong, and honestly I can only imagine how many girl he has done this to. I can see it turning into rape easily.

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March 27, 2008

annonymous!

he is a complete creep! im glad i never dated him seriously!

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April 19, 2008

Jessi

I miss him. And I hope he gets out soon. :,( He doesn’t deserve this.

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April 21, 2008

girl1

well i think he should fuckin rot in jail!

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April 23, 2008

jen

girl 1 maybe you should rot in fuckin hell. What the hell r u talking about.AAron didn’t rape anyone,so why should he rot in jail. He is actually getting out very soon because there is nothing to hold him there. Get it bitch. He is innocent,they were wrong,so he is getting out.

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April 23, 2008

girl1

fuck you! I know for a fact he was quite handsy so dont ever say that he is innocent! I hope he does get a long time in jail!

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April 24, 2008

jen

handsy doesn’t mean rape. and i am quite close to his family. He has just about served his time. He will be out very soon. And I am saying it. he is innocent. what ya gonna do about it!!!!
lol

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June 11, 2008

his girl

did my baby ever get out

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June 12, 2008

Jamie

Oh My Hell!!! I almost dated this guy! Thanks to my sister I didn’t!

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August 23, 2008

T

Aaron Clow by far is the biggest loser on the face of the earth. He has nothing going for him. He knocked up some chick, has a little boy, who he can’t take care of. He got caught with auto fraud. He takes advantage of girls and went to jail on feb. 29th for mulitiple acts of rape. And for everyone who does know him and keeps calling his OLD phone starting wiith 347 . . . Don’t call again!!!! It no longer belongs to him, but to me.

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August 23, 2008

T

and just so all you know, i do know aaron clow very personally along with his dysfunctional family, and I have hardly anything positive to say about any of them. so save me your bs with you don’t know him blah blah

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August 23, 2008

T

http://www.slco.org/JailRoster/JailRosterServlet?…

here’s the link where you guys can find out all his information, charges, he’s not getting out anytime soon bitches! Yeah he’s some guy girls. . .

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  tom
  
  the biggest fact here missed was his drug induces parents background…
  
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  1. May 8, 2016
    
    tom shade
    
    so many talk here about his family and anyone who talks good about his parents need a serious evaluation.
    
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