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I disagree with you here based on my momma's input. As a kid I was always getting into the middle of shit like this because I'm a bleeding-heart stick up for the weak kind of guy but momma broke me of it with her words of wisdom and my maturing eyes vision that showed me there's no divine calling to be a hero. Kudos to the child that captured a video record of the incident instead of risking their own safety by joining into the confrontation or the mayhem. One child dead is too many, we don't need them to step up as sacrificial lambs to a blossoming monster whose parents failed to instill compassion, manners, restraint, etc with any success.
Your momma is stupid. All it would have taken was for that kid with the cell phone to call 911.
ZappaCrappa
1.2
So when you are in trouble...instead of getting involved...we should all just walk away. Good to know. You can't be counted on to stand up an any situation that might put your precious ass at risk. My parent's taught me that people like that are called "cowards." I like to refer to them as pussies ;-)

Trench is right...your "momma" is an idiot.
pirelli and gang killer
1.3
Pirelli and friends:

Someone is watching you so Watch your back......What goes aroung comes around....
Maybe not this week,this month or this year but revenge is mine sayeth the lord.......
well it sounds like your mom would stand there and watch you get a beaten and take care of it later. It's no different. When you have been in that experience only your actions will tell the trueth of what kind of a man you are. No one said nothing about being "hero" just human.
ZappaCrappa
2
"whose parents failed to instill compassion, manners, restraint, etc with any success."

Like your's failed to instill in you? Oh wait...you omitted back bone, integrity, and a moral compass....
Pirelli Jones
3
Wow, intelligent dialog here. I'd go on but you wouldn't get it anyway.
ZappaCrappa
4
I'd get it....what I don't get is apathetic people who would just stand around and do nothing while watching someone getting beat to death...or people that would condone it. I don't thing "we" are the ones who "don't get it."
Pirelli Jones
5
Okay Crappa, try this on for size. Dakota DeRemus decided to get vigilante with it and accepted an invitation to stand toe to toe with his tormentor. Dakota DeRemus was the only one in the vicinity of the incident that knew Dakota DeRemus had a heart condition so severe as to prevent routine exercise. Dakota DeRemus' mother had been aware and futile-ly engaged in preventing her sons continued victimization for a number of years and was aware that his outlook on the situation was deteriorating. Dakota DeRemus was still enrolled and actively attending this institution that bred the bully in question.

The Trench says "anyone of them could have stepped in and saved Dakota's life."

This is one of those armchair quarterback comments that follow on the heals of tragedy. In practice what is being proposed is more vigilante action by bystanders. He retreats in the comments and cedes instead of stepping into the fray perhaps they should have called 911, and Trench makes a valid point here but its a slippery slope once you back off of your fanaticism and see the world at large.

You can't plead personal responsibility when it’s convenient and beatify every victim that comes along. This kid entered into physical confrontation of his own free will, and try as you might to insinuate he was beaten to death respectable media is pointing to the heart condition, of which the kid was aware, as the major contributor to death.

Quit glorifying every act of violence by children and ask your physician about the hidden dangers of PFO, not knowing about it before hand can be as deadly as making bad decisions when afflicted with such a condition.

Don’t get me wrong the loss of a child is a horrible thing, but the documented past around this incident should make it apparent to anyone smarter than the dummy raised by an idiot pointing out to you the fact that failure and culpability extend well past the two pugilists and witnesses to this incident.

Why did two kids with such a history continue to co-exist in such close quarters? Why didn’t parents, administrators, teachers, community members prevent this long before the most recent show of violence?

Why did young Dakota reach such a desperate point in his young life that he felt he had
to take the law into his own hands?

How can you appease your conscience by insinuating these witnesses to a tragic event share as much culpability as a willing participant in the violence but fail to question whether there were adults who could/should have intervened long before it came to two kids fighting in the street?
irritated with idiots
5.1
First of all concerning your first comment of "Kudos to the child that captured a video record of the incident instead of risking their own safety by joining into the confrontation or the mayhem", you've got to be fricking kidding me!! They taped it to put on "you tube"! You would probably think a little differently if you actually knew Dakota, or you or your family members were ever in a position to rely on common decency! My daughter was friends with Dakota and I don't believe for a second he was being a "vigilante" as you called it. How many cheeks was he supposed to turn?? Some kids actually get tired of being the butt of jokes and being picked on after 5 years and actually stand up for themselves. Further more, why shouldn't he be allowed to attend school just because someone else didn't teach their child not to pick on others, much less to beat them to death. Unfortunately there will be a lot of "respectable media" that will continue to bring up his heart condition, but had he not been continually beaten after screaming for help, he'd still be alive. I wonder what the "respectable media" and Dustin's attorneys would have used as a poor-ass excuse if Dakota hadn't had a heart condition. It really irritates me that once again, the victim is being blamed!! This is just another example of individuals not being held accountable because they aren't "adults" and don't know any better. Dustin and his friends probably wouldn't done more to help an injured dog than they did to help a classmate, regardless if they liked him or not.
Idiot Offspring
Your daughter knew victim and you don't believe what the mother has stated to the press. Nice, I see there are plenty of delusionoids in Kansas. That's what happens when you drop science out of the curriculum in favor of eye for an eye religious mantra.

The kid stood up for himself alright, and got stressed beyond his physical limitations in doing so. How can one excuse him entering into combat with this cretin but vilify the results? The crime is the agencies and institutions that let him down and the criminal is the kid involved in the fight. Not the poor kids who had to witness the incident.

No one is 100% to blame for this death but the witnesses share less culpability than the combatants IMHO.

You could always stick your head in the sand and wait until your daughter witnesses an horrific event and the Trench comes to eviscerate you~! Then we'll see who's slinging mud.
irritated with idiots
I'm not slinging mud at all, but I do hope that I've raised my daughter with the good morals that if, lord forbid, she were to witness a horrific act that she'd call 911 to get help and not run. Maybe you couldn't read or understand my statement, but the mother never once denied he had a heart condition and I never mentioned it wasn't true. Of course, if you'd rather call me a "delusionoid" from Kansas, that's your right. I don't believe that I'm sticking my head in the sand at all, just the opposite. I'm willing to see and accept that some kids under the age of 18 do certain things that warrants them being tried and CONVICTED as adults. Oh, by the way I passed Science and have the morals to help someone in need, regardless of who they are. Huge surprise huh?? Oh, and I also served in the military years ago so "idiots" could voice their opinions whether I agree with them or not. That's the beauty of this country. thanks for the enlighting conversation =)
Don't take the delusionoid comment too personal I do apologize for such an indiscretion, some of the folks were bullying me because my mom isn't as smart as them and I got a tad sensitive.
You admit he had had enough and was standing up for himself, taking the law into your own hands is vigilante. That's where I see the contradiction in your argument and coupled with the Trench idea that they should have all participated in the melee led me to believe some are delusional on this topic, had nothing to do with the heart condition statements of the parents or anything.

Its sad that a kid died but its not worthy of manslaughter charges against those that witnessed it. That remains my point.
Ok Michelin Johnson, you need to pick up a dictionary and learn the definition of vigilantism. I'll help you out. If I went and shot a known drug dealer before he could be arrested then I would be a vigilante.

Defending yourself, which is what Dakota DeRemus was doing, is not taking the law into your own hands.

Saying that anyone of the witnesses could have saved their life is not armchair quarterbacking, it's stone cold fact.

My conscience isn't the one that needs appeasing. I didn't beat someone into death. I didn't leave someone to die.
IO
Entering willingly into a fight isn't defending yourself according to the rule of law, only to the rule of honor. That's the delusion that makes you think risking something which you value but others don't is a worthwhile endeavor.

These two kids chose to fight and one of them died. Espousing your belief that the onlookers should have participated in the violence is asinine. You're the idiot.
So by your logic if two adult participants got into a fight and one of them died they were taking the law into their own hands. And bystanders who witnessed the beating should never get involved and just let the man die.
When a child is bulllied they become depressed and don't care no more. They turn to drugs, drinking, suicide.They have to seek counciling. I know my son is going through this uncareing stuff such as you and others who don't know NOTHING about bullying unless you were unless you were in their shoes. The bully had a history of abuse of course. We all make our own choices in life but people like you who don't UNDERSTAND makes it harder. To bad your weren't in his shoes.
Steve
6
It is sad that such I thing happened in this day and age.
ZappaCrappa
7
And I still say that anyone who would stand and watch a person get beat to death is worthless and a sorry excuse for a human being. . Twice in my life I have stepped into that situation and never regretted either time. Once for an elderly man being beaten by a man at least 40 years his junior and once for a woman who couldn't have weighed over 100lbs being beaten by a man over twice her size. I suppose the right thing to do would have been to stand there and watch...or walk away...or record it so I could possible post it on youtube later. That's disgusting. And cowardly.
irritated by idiots
7.1
I totally agree with you on the worthless description. Since my daughter returned to school yesterday I am totally convinced now more than ever that the "witnesses" that videotaped the assault should be charged, and quickly. Allegedly ,before the police confiscated the phone, the video had been passed to others. What is even more disgusting is that fact that the witnesses are bragging during school hours about how they were there and how Dakota deserved what he got and the school is STILL not doing a damn thing to stop. So, once again he is being victimized even after he's passed. It still baffles and mortifies me that these teenagers haven't been charged and are openly stating they were there.
ZappaCrappa
I guess, at this point in the coversation, Pirelli Jones is still ready to give Kudos to the kids video taping the incident....

What was that I said about cowards?...oh yeah....
James Barrek
8
Hi i believe also that someone should of helped him,if i was there i would of helped.

The poor guy would still be alive today if some one would of helped him :-(
I agree with you. I would have too. I've done it plenty of times when i was growing up still do it at jobs. You understand, some like PIRELLI JONES don't. Your a great person Jame Barrek 8-)

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