Comments on: Livejournal hates your children http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/ Poking the crime world in the eye with a sharp pointy stick Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:55:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Kaliko Kat http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9127 Kaliko Kat Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:54:45 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9127 Oh really? I find that funny, as LiveJournal is infamous among us pedos as being very unfriendly towards us. They can't do anything if we're just talking, but the instant anyone of us puts up even the most innocent photo of a child (even a photo from a newspaper of a muslim girl in a berqua), they delete our account. One friend of mine even had his account deleted for a picture of an adult who looked like a child. He only got it back by continually insisting he could provide affadavits from the person in question to prove her position as an adult. So you're trying to tell me LiveJournal loves pedos? I'll believe that when Hell freezes over and Satan starts ice-skating in a pink tutu. Kat Oh really? I find that funny, as LiveJournal is infamous among us pedos as being very unfriendly towards us. They can’t do anything if we’re just talking, but the instant anyone of us puts up even the most innocent photo of a child (even a photo from a newspaper of a muslim girl in a berqua), they delete our account. One friend of mine even had his account deleted for a picture of an adult who looked like a child. He only got it back by continually insisting he could provide affadavits from the person in question to prove her position as an adult.

So you’re trying to tell me LiveJournal loves pedos? I’ll believe that when Hell freezes over and Satan starts ice-skating in a pink tutu.

Kat

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9045 Alyric Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:00:43 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9045 Thanks for the info, Mike. It's nice to know they're taking it seriously. No more letters from me, then, but only because I'm picturing the FBI knocking on this guy's door. :mrgreen: Thanks for the info, Mike. It’s nice to know they’re taking it seriously.

No more letters from me, then, but only because I’m picturing the FBI knocking on this guy’s door. :mrgreen:

]]> By: Mike Schuler http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9044 Mike Schuler Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:16:16 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9044 I had a nice phone conversation with agent Frank Harrill of the F.B.I. He's in charge of investigating Internet Pedophiles. Everything has been forwarded to him. He has asked that we refrain from posting links, or making complaints to the service providers. He doesn't want them to pull the blogs. Some of the entries are legal, but some of them have enough to immediately get warrants to seize their computers, interview their children, and investigate them for sex crimes. He appreciates our help. If you find a passage such as the post about sex with a daughter, or desires to have sex with or to groom an unamed child, or pictures of children, please forward them to me (mike2(at)mikeschuler.com), and I will forward them to agent Harrill. Here is the message he sent me: Thanks Mike, this is very useful information. Frank Frank Harrill FBI Spokane -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Schuler, Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:18 AM To: Frank Harrill, F.B.I. Subject: Internet Pedophiles I had a nice phone conversation with agent Frank Harrill of the F.B.I. He’s in charge of investigating Internet Pedophiles. Everything has been forwarded to him. He has asked that we refrain from posting links, or making complaints to the service providers. He doesn’t want them to pull the blogs. Some of the entries are legal, but some of them have enough to immediately get warrants to seize their computers, interview their children, and investigate them for sex crimes. He appreciates our help. If you find a passage such as the post about sex with a daughter, or desires to have sex with or to groom an unamed child, or pictures of children, please forward them to me (mike2(at)mikeschuler.com), and I will forward them to agent Harrill. Here is the message he sent me:

Thanks Mike, this is very useful information.

Frank

Frank Harrill
FBI Spokane
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From: Mike Schuler,
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 11:18 AM
To: Frank Harrill, F.B.I.
Subject: Internet Pedophiles

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9012 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:55:23 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9012 Ok, last post for a while, I promise. :mrgreen: I checked out their ToS, and here's part of what it says about content (emphasis, of course, is mine): <i>(2) Should any Content be reported to LiveJournal.com as being offensive or inappropriate, <b>LiveJournal.com might call upon the poster to retract, modify, or protect (by means of private and friends only settings) the Content in question</b> within a reasonable amount of time, as set forth by the LiveJournal.com staff.</i> Now, obviously, offensive content is a broad term, but basically, they're saying that instead of taking action against a pedophile, they'd just ask him to hide it. Moving on, in their ToS. (5) <i>...LiveJournal.com and its designates shall have the right, but not the obligation, to remove any content that violates the TOS <b>or is otherwise objectionable</b>, or that infringes or is alleged to infringe intellectual property rights.</i> I <b>dread</b> what they would consider objectionable. Ok, last post for a while, I promise. :mrgreen: I checked out their ToS, and here’s part of what it says about content (emphasis, of course, is mine):

(2) Should any Content be reported to LiveJournal.com as being offensive or inappropriate, LiveJournal.com might call upon the poster to retract, modify, or protect (by means of private and friends only settings) the Content in question within a reasonable amount of time, as set forth by the LiveJournal.com staff.

Now, obviously, offensive content is a broad term, but basically, they’re saying that instead of taking action against a pedophile, they’d just ask him to hide it.

Moving on, in their ToS.

(5) …LiveJournal.com and its designates shall have the right, but not the obligation, to remove any content that violates the TOS or is otherwise objectionable, or that infringes or is alleged to infringe intellectual property rights.

I dread what they would consider objectionable.

]]> By: Trench http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9011 Trench Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:49:44 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9011 Stayed tune to a post later tonight concerning that. Stayed tune to a post later tonight concerning that.

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9010 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:46:05 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9010 Ugh. This puts me in an awkward position. I'd like to cite specific links when I contact Six Apart, but I <b>really</b> don't want to go looking for them. Trench, if you want to head up the 'contact Six Apart' effort, be my guest. If so, feel free to quote any and all of my previous communications with LJ. If not, let me know. Ugh. This puts me in an awkward position. I’d like to cite specific links when I contact Six Apart, but I really don’t want to go looking for them.

Trench, if you want to head up the ‘contact Six Apart’ effort, be my guest. If so, feel free to quote any and all of my previous communications with LJ. If not, let me know.

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9009 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:19:22 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9009 They answered me - another runaround. I'll post it below, but summary: they essentially told me, again, that there was no violation of their ToS. <i> Dear Alyric, As stated, we cannot begin an investigation without direct links to the material which you feel is in violation of the Terms of Service. A link to an entire journal is not sufficient; as our Terms of Service (http://www.livejournal.com/legal/tos.bml) state, we do not police or screen the content of our user's journals in any way. Without a report of violations -- with direct links to the violations -- we are unable to investigate this issue for you. Once we have this information we will be able to take any appropriate action. You can get a direct link to a post by clicking on one of the comment links (in most journals, these are labeled as "Post Comment" and "Read Comments"; however, the user may have customized these links). Once you have loaded the comment page for the entry, highlight the URL in the address bar of your browser, copy it, and paste it into your new request. If there is no comment link available, then please provide the exact username of the user involved in the form of a link to their journal, and the precise date and time of the entries in question. Once we have this information, we will be able to investigate the matter for you, and if violations of the Terms of Service exist, take any appropriate action. Regards, Justin LiveJournal Abuse Team</i> I guess the next step is to contact Six Apart. Like Trench said, not sure I should hold my breath. They answered me - another runaround. I’ll post it below, but summary: they essentially told me, again, that there was no violation of their ToS.

Dear Alyric,

As stated, we cannot begin an investigation without direct links to the material which you feel is in violation of the Terms of Service. A link to an entire journal is not sufficient; as our Terms of Service (www.livejournal.com/legal/tos.bml) state, we do not police or screen the content of our user’s journals in any way. Without a report of violations — with direct links to the violations — we are unable to investigate this issue for you. Once we have this information we will be able to take any appropriate action.

You can get a direct link to a post by clicking on one of the comment links (in most journals, these are labeled as “Post Comment” and “Read Comments”; however, the user may have customized these links). Once you have loaded the comment page for the entry, highlight the URL in the address bar of your browser, copy it, and paste it into your new request.

If there is no comment link available, then please provide the exact username of the user involved in the form of a link to their journal, and the precise date and time of the entries in question.

Once we have this information, we will be able to investigate the matter for you, and if violations of the Terms of Service exist, take any appropriate action.

Regards,
Justin
LiveJournal Abuse Team

I guess the next step is to contact Six Apart. Like Trench said, not sure I should hold my breath.

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9006 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:03:44 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9006 Still waiting on a reply to my second report to LJ, obviously. If they brush me off again, I'll take it up with Six Apart. If Six Apart does the same... I checked their webpage, and they list their investors as August Capital and Neoteny Co., Ltd. I wonder how'd they react to being associated with pedophiles. Still waiting on a reply to my second report to LJ, obviously. If they brush me off again, I’ll take it up with Six Apart. If Six Apart does the same… I checked their webpage, and they list their investors as August Capital and Neoteny Co., Ltd.

I wonder how’d they react to being associated with pedophiles.

]]> By: jade http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9001 jade Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:59:51 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-9001 M. Seth Pack Director Counter Pedophilia Investigative Unit http://www.cpiu.us he's the man to contact. i know him through P-J. he can tell you exactly who to contact with the Feds. M. Seth Pack
Director
Counter Pedophilia Investigative Unit
http://www.cpiu.us

he’s the man to contact. i know him through P-J. he can tell you exactly who to contact with the Feds.

]]> By: Kitty http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8999 Kitty Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:53:10 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8999 As StigMata said above...Trench, don't go to the LJ admins...you need to contact the Feds if you havne't already! As StigMata said above…Trench, don’t go to the LJ admins…you need to contact the Feds if you havne’t already!

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8997 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:39:20 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8997 Yeah... I contacted the FBI via their tips page about the Xanga blogs a few days ago, I'm not sure whether or not they respond to everyone, but if they do, none yet. Yeah… I contacted the FBI via their tips page about the Xanga blogs a few days ago, I’m not sure whether or not they respond to everyone, but if they do, none yet.

]]> By: SM http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8996 SM Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:01:49 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8996 As it's a clear admission, it could be turned over to the FBI & then they could step in and handle it... As it’s a clear admission, it could be turned over to the FBI & then they could step in and handle it…

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8989 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 05:29:48 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8989 My response. I would appreciate it if someone could follow up with links to the sites on LJ in question. Like I said, I just don't have the stomach for it. So sue me. Recently, the existence of LiveJournal blogs/blogrings promoting and describing child molestation were brought to your attention. When pointed out that this is not protected speech, I recieved the following reply: "Although the specific laws and rights regarding free speech and incitement apply to government, our company has adopted the policy of providing as much free speech as possible. Our Terms of Service and Abuse policies reflect the position of our company's overall philosophies. Regards, Michelle LiveJournal Abuse Team" Personally, I am completely appalled that you are unwilling to shut down the blogs of users who are, by their own admission, raping children and infants. I simply cannot comprehend why anyone would need another reason to put a stop to this. However, since that is, in effect, what you are asking for, I will give it. As a fellow poster at http://www.thetrenchcoat.com pointed out, LJ can and will be held civilly and financially responsible if any victims of these pedophiles are found. Here is a quote of his post: "If one or more victims can be found, that were raped or molested by a pedophile keeping a blog at LiveJournal, and it can be shown that LJ was made aware of this activity and did nothing about it, a civil suit for damages on behalf of the victim/victims can be brought against the owners of LJ. Civil court does not require the absolute proof beyond all reasonable doubt that criminal courts require. All that would be necessary, is to show that a reasonable person would have their suspicions aroused by reading the content of these blogs. If a reasonable person of average intelligence would believe that illegal activity is taking place based on the writings in these pedophile blogs, when the pedophile is caught, the victim’s advocate needs to be made aware of the blog host’s complicity and civil liability. I’m sure that any of the country’s top lawyers would take such a case on a contingency retainer. - Mike Schuler" I would also like to add that, if no action is taken, there is an active community that will be seeking victims to bring charges against you. I regret that these steps are necessary, however, your unwillingness to cooperate has left us with no choice. While I don't have the stomach to grab the links to the sites in question, I have posted your request, and trust that you will recieve them soon. Regards, Alyric My response. I would appreciate it if someone could follow up with links to the sites on LJ in question. Like I said, I just don’t have the stomach for it. So sue me.

Recently, the existence of LiveJournal blogs/blogrings promoting and describing child molestation were brought to your attention. When pointed out that this is not protected speech, I recieved the following reply:

“Although the specific laws and rights regarding free speech and incitement apply to government, our company has adopted the policy of providing as much free speech as possible. Our Terms of Service and Abuse policies reflect the position of our company’s overall philosophies.

Regards,
Michelle
LiveJournal Abuse Team”

Personally, I am completely appalled that you are unwilling to shut down the blogs of users who are, by their own admission, raping children and infants. I simply cannot comprehend why anyone would need another reason to put a stop to this. However, since that is, in effect, what you are asking for, I will give it.

As a fellow poster at http://www.thetrenchcoat.com pointed out, LJ can and will be held civilly and financially responsible if any victims of these pedophiles are found. Here is a quote of his post:

“If one or more victims can be found, that were raped or molested by a pedophile keeping a blog at LiveJournal, and it can be shown that LJ was made aware of this activity and did nothing about it, a civil suit for damages on behalf of the victim/victims can be brought against the owners of LJ. Civil court does not require the absolute proof beyond all reasonable doubt that criminal courts require. All that would be necessary, is to show that a reasonable person would have their suspicions aroused by reading the content of these blogs. If a reasonable person of average intelligence would believe that illegal activity is taking place based on the writings in these pedophile blogs, when the pedophile is caught, the victim’s advocate needs to be made aware of the blog host’s complicity and civil liability. I’m sure that any of the country’s top lawyers would take such a case on a contingency retainer. - Mike Schuler”

I would also like to add that, if no action is taken, there is an active community that will be seeking victims to bring charges against you. I regret that these steps are necessary, however, your unwillingness to cooperate has left us with no choice.

While I don’t have the stomach to grab the links to the sites in question, I have posted your request, and trust that you will recieve them soon.

Regards,
Alyric

]]> By: Alyric http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8988 Alyric Mon, 05 Sep 2005 05:25:54 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8988 *sigh* Ok, I got the response. Here goes. Dear Alyric, Although the specific laws and rights regarding free speech and incitement apply to government, our company has adopted the policy of providing as much free speech as possible. Our Terms of Service and Abuse policies reflect the position of our company's overall philosophies. If an account on our site is being used to organise illegal activity, however, we would be able to take action. In order to investigate this matter, we will need for you to go to http://www.livejournal.com/abuse/report.bml and follow the procedure described in http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=105. In particular, we will need specific links to the items you believe to be in violation of the Terms of Service. A brief summary of a situation, or a cut and paste of some of the content in question, is not enough for us to begin an investigation. Regards, Michelle LiveJournal Abuse Team Before I start my response, I'm just going to mention that I don't have the stomach to drag up the links, so after I post it, if anyone wants to copy and paste with links to the offenders added, feel free. *sigh* Ok, I got the response. Here goes.

Dear Alyric,

Although the specific laws and rights regarding free speech and incitement apply to government, our company has adopted the policy of providing as much free speech as possible. Our Terms of Service and Abuse policies reflect the position of our company’s overall philosophies.

If an account on our site is being used to organise illegal activity, however, we would be able to take action. In order to investigate this matter, we will need for you to go to http://www.livejournal.com/abuse/report.bml and follow the procedure described in http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=105. In particular, we will need specific links to the items you believe to be in violation of the Terms of Service. A brief summary of a situation, or a cut and paste of some of the content in question, is not enough for us to begin an investigation.

Regards,
Michelle
LiveJournal Abuse Team

Before I start my response, I’m just going to mention that I don’t have the stomach to drag up the links, so after I post it, if anyone wants to copy and paste with links to the offenders added, feel free.

]]> By: Mike Schuler http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8984 Mike Schuler Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:41:03 +0000 http://thetrenchcoat.com/2005/09/04/livejournal-hates-your-children/#comment-8984 Anybody has permission to quote me any time. If LJ drags their feet, we'll be websluething to find the victims. Anybody has permission to quote me any time. If LJ drags their feet, we’ll be websluething to find the victims.

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